Mayweather a Punk

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Let me school you. My OP was a VALUE JUDGMENT. It was not a discussion about the rules of boxing. The OP did not state “Mayweather cheated”. OP stated it was a punk move. I stand by that. I’d have much rather seen him retaliate, DURING the actual fighting.

Any other questions?[/quote]

Pretty sure Irish’s whole point is that it was during the actual fight. The fight had begun, ref had called it and they had touched gloves, and Mayweather saw Ortiz clearly not defending himself so he took his shots.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Still fucking flying by my point? Or don’t realize you just repeated what I said? Did I say it’s his fault that he’s more talented? Did I not just fucking say he’s supremely talented and has been more talented than his opponents? But I will not concede he’s always taken the fights that were there, when they were wanted by the public. He has not.

And I believe he’s a front runner. I don’t believe he has the character to survive a knock down drag out fight. I don’t believe he has met his match, and if he did, I believe he’d lose. He may not meet his match though.

You’d expect me to know what about boxing? Is this a discussion about style or even boxing?

Let me school you. My OP was a VALUE JUDGMENT. It was not a discussion about the rules of boxing. The OP did not state “Mayweather cheated”. OP stated it was a punk move. I stand by that. I’d have much rather seen him retaliate, DURING the actual fighting.

Any other questions?[/quote]

Nah man. You answered them all - specifically the ones about the lack of boxing knowledge and the lack of reading comprehension, both of which you’ve proved inside and out here.

You think it’s a punk move? Who the fuck cares what you think? Dude won the fight fairly and legally. You can’t ask for more.

Write him a letter. Ask him to take some shots first, stick his chin out a bit, just to even the fight out, just so he can win by YOUR standards.

School me, ha, you can’t school shit.

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[quote]parsley wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Let me school you. My OP was a VALUE JUDGMENT. It was not a discussion about the rules of boxing. The OP did not state “Mayweather cheated”. OP stated it was a punk move. I stand by that. I’d have much rather seen him retaliate, DURING the actual fighting.

Any other questions?[/quote]

Pretty sure Irish’s whole point is that it was during the actual fight. The fight had begun, ref had called it and they had touched gloves, and Mayweather saw Ortiz clearly not defending himself so he took his shots. [/quote]

sigh.

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Ortiz already gave him a hug, the fight started back up again…Ortiz is retarded for thinking Maywheather wanted a hug after he headbutted him in a boxing match.

The way I see it, it’s taking advantage of your opponent’s emotions, just like getting a guy rilled up so he doesn’t think.

I don’t condone it though.

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[quote]parsley wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Let me school you. My OP was a VALUE JUDGMENT. It was not a discussion about the rules of boxing. The OP did not state “Mayweather cheated”. OP stated it was a punk move. I stand by that. I’d have much rather seen him retaliate, DURING the actual fighting.

Any other questions?[/quote]

Pretty sure Irish’s whole point is that it was during the actual fight. The fight had begun, ref had called it and they had touched gloves, and Mayweather saw Ortiz clearly not defending himself so he took his shots. [/quote]

pretty sure MY point was that the other fighter was NOT engaged. Small distinction I know.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Still fucking flying by my point? Or don’t realize you just repeated what I said? Did I say it’s his fault that he’s more talented? Did I not just fucking say he’s supremely talented and has been more talented than his opponents? But I will not concede he’s always taken the fights that were there, when they were wanted by the public. He has not.

And I believe he’s a front runner. I don’t believe he has the character to survive a knock down drag out fight. I don’t believe he has met his match, and if he did, I believe he’d lose. He may not meet his match though.

You’d expect me to know what about boxing? Is this a discussion about style or even boxing?

Let me school you. My OP was a VALUE JUDGMENT. It was not a discussion about the rules of boxing. The OP did not state “Mayweather cheated”. OP stated it was a punk move. I stand by that. I’d have much rather seen him retaliate, DURING the actual fighting.

Any other questions?[/quote]

Who the fuck cares what you think? [/quote]

About the same amount of people who care what the fuck you think. Not many.

It’s a forum to express opinions. Or did you miss that too while you were “comprehending”.

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Cheap? Hell, it was free!

Ortiz got what he deserved, and that looked like about the most half-hearted attempt to stand back up I’ve seen.

I’m glad Mayweather blasted him a couple times. I wouldn’t let the man watch my kids, but I have no problem with what he’s doing in the ring or for his career. You got a problem with it? Be a good enough boxer that he can’t turn you down, and make your statement in the ring, otherwise get over it.

And the comparisons to baseball don’t hold up either. Your pitcher hits a guy, then your next batter is getting hit. It’s a team sport. If you don’t like it, tell your pitcher to stop hitting guys. Most people in baseball have no problem with that. Getting hit on the ass with a baseball isn’t that dangerous, but it’s a nice reminder not to hit the other team.

There’s no time for idealistic bullshit. Arguing about his fighting style is asinine. He does what it takes for him to win. He’s better at his game than anyone else is at theirs. He doesn’t need to prove how good he is at their game too. That’s like complaining that Lebron wouldn’t be so good if he only took jump shots and didn’t drive the lane. You define the rules how you think benefits you, and then put some kind of moral judgment (like you have any authority whatsoever for such a thing) on it so that the other person now has less character for not following YOUR way. It’s like how people are dogged in streetball for shooting jumpers. Fuck that shit. 42-0 is 42-0.

If anything, trying to get him to hug it out again was a bitch move by Ortiz. You think that was sincere? Please. If he was sorry for anything, it was that his headbutt didn’t work.

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[quote]NAUn wrote:
Cheap? Hell, it was free!

Ortiz got what he deserved, and that looked like about the most half-hearted attempt to stand back up I’ve seen.

I’m glad Mayweather blasted him a couple times. I wouldn’t let the man watch my kids, but I have no problem with what he’s doing in the ring or for his career. You got a problem with it? Be a good enough boxer that he can’t turn you down, and make your statement in the ring, otherwise get over it.

And the comparisons to baseball don’t hold up either. Your pitcher hits a guy, then your next batter is getting hit. It’s a team sport. If you don’t like it, tell your pitcher to stop hitting guys. Most people in baseball have no problem with that. Getting hit on the ass with a baseball isn’t that dangerous, but it’s a nice reminder not to hit the other team.

There’s no time for idealistic bullshit. Arguing about his fighting style is asinine. He does what it takes for him to win. He’s better at his game than anyone else is at theirs. He doesn’t need to prove how good he is at their game too. That’s like complaining that Lebron wouldn’t be so good if he only took jump shots and didn’t drive the lane. You define the rules how you think benefits you, and then put some kind of moral judgment (like you have any authority whatsoever for such a thing) on it so that the other person now has less character for not following YOUR way. It’s like how people are dogged in streetball for shooting jumpers. Fuck that shit. 42-0 is 42-0.

If anything, trying to get him to hug it out again was a bitch move by Ortiz. You think that was sincere? Please. If he was sorry for anything, it was that his headbutt didn’t work.[/quote]

But how do you really feel about it?

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Are we really talking about a cheater who got cheated?

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after watching the clip i have sort of mixed emotions about it. Ortiz clearly had it coming… but on the other hand it did seem like mayweather was going for the hug… and then wham! Reading between the lines i would like to know what ortiz said to mayweather when he went for the hug. It seemed to me like it was something he said that pissed mayweather off. However i dont really think any more or any less of mayweather after seeing the clip. ortiz had it coming, but it was dirty.

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[quote]zenontheterrible wrote:
after watching the clip i have sort of mixed emotions about it. Ortiz clearly had it coming… but on the other hand it did seem like mayweather was going for the hug… and then wham! Reading between the lines i would like to know what ortiz said to mayweather when he went for the hug. It seemed to me like it was something he said that pissed mayweather off. However i dont really think any more or any less of mayweather after seeing the clip. ortiz had it coming, but it was dirty. [/quote]

His hands were HiGH, Very high not touch gloves (which they already did) or hugging high but let’s do this high, hashahahaha.

And I’m very skilled at reading lips and his exact words where:

“You look and fight just like yo daddy”.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:
Cheap? Hell, it was free!

Ortiz got what he deserved, and that looked like about the most half-hearted attempt to stand back up I’ve seen.

I’m glad Mayweather blasted him a couple times. I wouldn’t let the man watch my kids, but I have no problem with what he’s doing in the ring or for his career. You got a problem with it? Be a good enough boxer that he can’t turn you down, and make your statement in the ring, otherwise get over it.

And the comparisons to baseball don’t hold up either. Your pitcher hits a guy, then your next batter is getting hit. It’s a team sport. If you don’t like it, tell your pitcher to stop hitting guys. Most people in baseball have no problem with that. Getting hit on the ass with a baseball isn’t that dangerous, but it’s a nice reminder not to hit the other team.

There’s no time for idealistic bullshit. Arguing about his fighting style is asinine. He does what it takes for him to win. He’s better at his game than anyone else is at theirs. He doesn’t need to prove how good he is at their game too. That’s like complaining that Lebron wouldn’t be so good if he only took jump shots and didn’t drive the lane. You define the rules how you think benefits you, and then put some kind of moral judgment (like you have any authority whatsoever for such a thing) on it so that the other person now has less character for not following YOUR way. It’s like how people are dogged in streetball for shooting jumpers. Fuck that shit. 42-0 is 42-0.

If anything, trying to get him to hug it out again was a bitch move by Ortiz. You think that was sincere? Please. If he was sorry for anything, it was that his headbutt didn’t work.[/quote]

But how do you really feel about it?[/quote]

TBH I really don’t care, but while we’re on the subject… LOL

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I posted this in the combat thread about this fight, and I’ll post it here too.

The people who said Floyd did something wrong DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING.

I was at a bar that had a whole lotta hood types in it last night, and after the fight I was hanging outside with one of the bouncers, a huge black man with long dreadlocks who kinda reminded me of Lennox Lewis.

His first thought on this fight?

“Floyd’s street cred just went through the roof with that…that was some real shit.”

And he’s fucking right.

Let’s get one thing straight - boxing is no gentleman’s game. It attracts the roughest, shadiest characters around, and the kind of guys willing to get up in the ring and do this for a living are guys that are, for the most part, street as hell.

You do a flying fucking headbutt into someone during a boxing match, a move that not only could knock someone out (the way Ortiz did it) but could cause a MASSIVE cut that could stop the fight, and you fucking well better be prepared to get fouled right back.

I’ve never seen anger flash across Floyd’s face like I did when he hit Ortiz after that, and rightly so.

This kid comes in, having fought a couple good fighters, saying he’s gonna whip you, and then he pulls a move like that? C’mon.

Was it kind of a dirty trick? Yea, I guess. But really, IT’S A FUCKING FIGHT. You want to kiss, do it after the fucking fight. You wanna complain to the ref, do it after the fucking fight. Arturo Gatti talked to the ref during their fight - Floyd hit him. Shane Mosley talked to the ref during their fight - Floyd hit him. Ortiz did the same shit, he just didn’t have the chin to take it.

Seriously, you get up in that ring, and the one thing they tell FROM THE START - Protect yourself at all times - especially after you just landed a huge ass cheap shot.

Seriously, fuck Ortiz.

And very honestly, the way that fight was going, Floyd was going to knock him out. Ortiz had some good flurries, but in all reality, Floyd was really starting to beat up on him with that lead right hand, and that left hook was beginning to follow it.

Fight woulda’ been over by the ninth anyway.

And, yes, Fuck Larry Merchant. I can’t stand him either, HBO should have fired that old drunk 20 years ago.[/quote]

I really wanted to comment. However, I couldn’t do it better than this myself. Bravo.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
While it was not a gentleman’s move it was not a surprise. The fight did not end well for me as a boxing fan. I wanted to see a in ring battle. But no matter how much you may not want to hear it hahaha YEAH
" Protect Yourself at all times".
The only person that I felt bad for after that fight was me be wise I wanted more.
Mayweather is on his way out Maybe MAYBE 3 more fights before he hangs it up and I don’t see Manny taking him out.[/quote]

Oh, i see manny doing quite a bit more damage than ortiz. Pacman is 10x the fighter ortiz is. pac never gets tired and is nonstop, powerful fast and very aggressive. thats the exact formula to beat a counter puncher who doesn’t throw that many punches. You have to overwhelm him.[/quote]

PAC suddenly has the best stamina in the sport? Do you actually watch the fights or do you just read the fucking ESPN comments? Please bro, PAC doesn’t deserve to be in the same conversation as Mayweather. Stop drinking the kool aid and check his records. He’s good, not great and certainly not elite. He’s the greatest fucking marketing spectacle of all time…bout it.

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Lol… man i’m late to this thread, but this video although bias by the poster is pretty accurate.

Mayweather did the same thing to Mosley when he was running his mouth. At the end of the day this is a fight. The other guy in there is trying to knock your head off.

The referee gave the go ahead. Did you expect Mayweather to wait until Ortiz swung at him to engage? He had his guard up immediately after they touched gloves and Ortiz wanted to hug him again. Protect yourself at all times. Hands down man down (unless you’re Roy Jones in his prime)

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
It was cheap by Mayweather, [/quote]

QFT

Because I think this is the entire fucking point of the matter. You guys are busy justifying it and otherwise engaging in moral relativism, but at the end of the day, it WAS a cheap shot. But some of you missed that in your zeal to pontificate about the rules of boxing which we all fucking know about, and otherwise defend the little punk. He’s a punk.

And it says here first that if he ever gets in a career defining fight, he loses. He’ll fucking fold. He has no character. But we all know he won’t get in that fight…wouldn’t want to risk his pretty record.
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You’re reaching. Every fight the man has had for the last 10 years has been pushed as a career defining fight. The man fucking ruins careers. Look at who he’s beaten and when he’s beaten them. A defining fight doesn’t have to be a blood bath where both guys take monumental damage. Say what you want about the fighters he’s destroyed because the fact is, when they’re going into the ring with him, they’re the best at the time and/or champion. He’s just so far ahead of them, the public misconstrues the fights as easy. If the fights look easy, it’s because Floyd is that great. Like he says, “it’s different when you’re in there”.

42 have tried (and you can put his record of fighters against ANY fighter of his era) and 42 have failed.

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I’ve got to say, I’ve been reading this thread with 100% objectivity. Check my post on the first page to confirm this.

I have spoken with my friend (who is no boxing authority, but has competed in boxing since his early teens. He’s mid-twentys now,) and he said anyone who is protesting anything that Mayweather did probably doesn’t know anything about boxing, or hates Mayweather.

After seeing most of the responses and arguments in this thread, this debate is not even close and those arguing against Mayweather seem to be pretty off-base.

Again, I am NOT pretending to be supremely knowledgeable about the subject, so I default to people who have experience in the ring and with the boxing sport itself.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Exactly right. [/quote]

First it was a cheap shot that you justified as equalizing Ortiz’s cheap shot and now he was acting in an above board manner?

Which is it?
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Huh? I never said it was a cheap shot.
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LOL

this is all from one quote. oh the irony

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

We all know you love boxing, you are not an expert analyst any more than anyone else, don’t get doubly silly.
[/quote]

I hate to tell you, but I’m goddamned close to it.
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^^LOL again.

getting so mad cause you’re “pretty GD close to it”??? hahahahah that was funny

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lol at all the mayweather nuthuggers in here disguised as boxing “experts” lol. That was the cheapest shot I have seen in a regulated fight…ever. Ortiz was stupid but the way he responded in his post game comments makes me think he sold the fight.