Mayweather a Punk

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I didn’t watch the fight but I watched the “knockout”.[/quote]

As bad as reporting half a quote. It can be used anyway you like. Now your admitting to being ignorant of the situation.

They didn’t touch gloves, Ortiz went in for the hug and Mayweather touched his outstretched hands. The ref was talking to the judges at this point, it’s more than reasonable to expect someone to wait until the ref turns around to punch you in the face.

BG is right. It might have been technically within the rules, but it was still a punk move.

LOL @ all these armchair experts. No one gives a shit how many boxing matches you’ve watched/how many pro boxers you’re friends with, it doesn’t take an expert to spot a bitch move.

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so what your saying is its a sucker punch b/c ortiz wasnt looking? It’s not like they were in a bar and mayweather just walked up and punched him in the face. That would be a sucker punch. Punching someone after the ref says the fight is back on is not a sucker punch. It’s smart boxing. According to your theory I could box Mayweather to a draw by just not looking at him for 12 rounds because if he hit me it would be a sucker punch.

They were in the middle of a main event, pay per view fight, a fight in which Ortiz was clearly in over his head. If your a dumbass and going to keep your hands at your side you deserve to get knocked out. Time was in. The ref looked away simply to see if the round was over. If anything Ortiz should be thanking Mayweather b/c if that fight ended up going any longer Ortiz would have just emabarassed himself.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Was it a sucker punch? Yes.

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How so? They tapped gloves in any other match this means the start of a fight… What is Mayweather supposed to wait for? Should he wait for Ortiz to tie his shoes? pull up his shorts? What if Ortiz said Mayweather I don’t want to fight I just want to run around the ring, should Mayweather say ok and not throw a punch?

I don’t know about you but I pay to see professionals. Professionals walk in the ring tap gloves and fight. [/quote]

Ortiz was not looking, and he was not engaged. His bad. I know that.

You need to return to my point about other fighters, like GSP for instance, that I’m pretty sure would not have engaged a guy obviously not ready. Are you stating Ortiz was ready? Or are you just making another technical rules argument that has already been discussed and resolved and, that was never in question.

To your rhetorical questions, my answer is that Mayweather should have waited until Ortiz was ready. He was not. But again, to do so would require some measure of honor and character. What does it matter? It already matters in how Mayweather is poorly regarded, and how he will be remembered.

Now, if after me making it clear at least more than once, you cannot understand this small distinction, you simply do not “get it”. And guess what? I’m not surprised by those that don’t “get it”.
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You do not get it, again all you saw was the question mark on his face after he got the chin check.

HE WAS READY, the first punch was too fast. He looked for help from the ref. After that NO FIGHTER is going to stop until the guy taps out GSP or anybody else. NOT one ACTUAL professional BOXER or FIGHTER disagrees with what Mayweather did. So who is the one that doesn’t get it?[/quote]

I don’t get it? Watch it again. Were his hands up? No. He wasn’t ready. His bad I know.

And no fighter is going to “stop”? They didn’t “start”, except for Mayweather.

Circles dude. Plenty of fighters would not have hit him in that situation. “Money May” is not among them. There is a difference between saying “it’s within the rules” and, “I would have hit him in that situation too”.

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[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I didn’t watch the fight but I watched the “knockout”.[/quote]

As bad as reporting half a quote. It can be used anyway you like. Now your admitting to being ignorant of the situation.

They didn’t touch gloves, Ortiz went in for the hug and Mayweather touched his outstretched hands. The ref was talking to the judges at this point, it’s more than reasonable to expect someone to wait until the ref turns around to punch you in the face.

BG is right. It might have been technically within the rules, but it was still a punk move.

LOL @ all these armchair experts. No one gives a shit how many boxing matches you’ve watched/how many pro boxers you’re friends with, it doesn’t take an expert to spot a bitch move.
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There’s not many “armchair experts” here. I box, and I write professionally about boxing, and I know other guys like Londonboxer who have posted here also box.

I would have hit him too. Especially after headbutting me, then hitting me after the headbutt.

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“It was legal, but it was dirty,” says Steve Cofield with ESPN Radio.

“I had already ordered them to continue fighting and the clock was running, but Ortiz wanted to apologize again and he was off guard,” Cortez told Les Jimenez." (in my book, this means “he wasn’t ready”, like I’ve repeatedly said duh).

"He walked towards the commission officials ringside (the ref, Cortez), and interacted with someone or someones there. “Time in?” he asked, as Ortiz offered Floyd his hands, and a mini hug. Victor began to step back, his hands at his side, and Cortez wasn’t looking at the boxers as Floyd attacked…

I attach some blame to Ortiz, for getting crazy, and starting the atmosphere of fouling…and to Floyd, for going cheap when he could have simply used his skills as the best boxer in the world to get the job done…but Cortez, if he had handled the situation by the book, would have prevented all talk of a suckerpunch ending."

“Cortez was looking away from the action, seemingly focused on consulting the commission officials rather than handling the in-ring action.”…

http://theboxingtribune.com/2011/09/class-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder-mayweather-stops-ortiz-in-four-on-star-power-ppv/

CORTEZ WAS LOOKING AWAY FROM THE ACTION. THERE WAS CONFUSION. OFF GUARD. CORTEZ WASN’T LOOKING. SUCKER PUNCH ENDING.

Yeah, the world agrees. Fabulous win Money May. LOL

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[quote]overstand wrote:
it doesn’t take an expert to spot a bitch move.
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QFT

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[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I didn’t watch the fight but I watched the “knockout”.[/quote]

As bad as reporting half a quote. It can be used anyway you like. Now your admitting to being ignorant of the situation.

They didn’t touch gloves, Ortiz went in for the hug and Mayweather touched his outstretched hands. The ref was talking to the judges at this point, it’s more than reasonable to expect someone to wait until the ref turns around to punch you in the face.

BG is right. It might have been technically within the rules, but it was still a punk move.

LOL @ all these armchair experts. No one gives a shit how many boxing matches you’ve watched/how many pro boxers you’re friends with, it doesn’t take an expert to spot a bitch move.
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Your talking about Ortiz going in for a hug and you calling other people arm chair experts… Are you serious. Floyds right fist tapped Ortiz left fist at the same time Ortiz right fist tapped Mayweather’s left fist. That’s called touching gloves which is what people do in the beginning of a fight.
Throwing a quick hook to the jaw lets the opposing fighter know it’s on. Even in practice trainers will throw something at your head when your guard is down to let you know to lift them up.
If Mayweather wanted to throw a cheap shot, he would’ve tried to knock him out then.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ah I’m not arguing this anymore. Like I said, the only ones making an issue out of this are people that aren’t boxing fans… everyone within that community has shrugged and said “Fair is fair.”

So have fun. I’m sure Money May ain’t gonna miss your $60 bucks next time BG. [/quote]

And to crown your reading comprehension problem (too many hits to the head), you add the fallacious appeal to authority argument (you’re not a “boxing fan”). LOL.

“Money May” as you call him won’t miss anything. He’s a stupid, classless, bereft of character thug that is not SMART ENOUGH to miss what I’m talking about. He’s a product of his lineage. He’s an ignorant little bastard who just so happens to be supremely talented in the ring.

I have a question; did you ever get your cell phone back from him? [/quote]

And you’re the bitch crying about his fight on the internet. Don’t like it, don’t watch.

There’s lots of dirty fighters out there that take cheap shots all the time. Mayweather isn’t one of them.

I’m defending him on here because I knew as soon as I saw it that a bunch of half ass chumps who never watch boxing would start pounding their fists on the ground crying about “honor” and “cheap shots”… and sure enough, all you people that don’t watch boxing have been doing that.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I didn’t watch the fight but I watched the “knockout”.[/quote]

As bad as reporting half a quote. It can be used anyway you like. Now your admitting to being ignorant of the situation.

They didn’t touch gloves, Ortiz went in for the hug and Mayweather touched his outstretched hands. The ref was talking to the judges at this point, it’s more than reasonable to expect someone to wait until the ref turns around to punch you in the face.

BG is right. It might have been technically within the rules, but it was still a punk move.

LOL @ all these armchair experts. No one gives a shit how many boxing matches you’ve watched/how many pro boxers you’re friends with, it doesn’t take an expert to spot a bitch move.
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There’s not many “armchair experts” here. I box, and I write professionally about boxing, and I know other guys like Londonboxer who have posted here also box.

I would have hit him too. Especially after headbutting me, then hitting me after the headbutt.[/quote]

But we didn’t mistake you for someone with character so don’t worry yourself, your boxing credentials are intact. You and the dude with the dreds (lol how was that even fucking relevant - did that give YOU “street cred”) can cheer “money may” and ignore the larger, broader point that so many others understand.

Even if Mayweather retaliated repeatedly DURING the fight, I’m silent. For fuck’s sake, my favorite boxer is Bernard and he’s as dirty as they come.

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Here’s my take on it:

There is the headbutt bullshit, then the ref separates the two. Oritz goes over and kisses Mayweather on the cheek. They separate, and then they come back together to tap gloves. They get separated again, and then Ortiz goes in the for the hug.

It looks like Mayweather reciprocates, and touches Ortiz’s left arm. Immediately he goes for the quick jab. THAT was a cheap shot.

But, nearly a full second later, more than enough time in boxing to figure out that the fight is back on, Ortiz keeps his hands down.

Only after that full second of hesitation, did Mayweather throws the heavy right and knocks Ortiz out.

Yes, there was a sucker punch, but that wasn’t what won him the fight.

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FI, you never answered. Did you get your cell back from “money may”?

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What I want to know is, are there any people who think it was a cheap shot and were Mayweather fans before hand?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ah I’m not arguing this anymore. Like I said, the only ones making an issue out of this are people that aren’t boxing fans… everyone within that community has shrugged and said “Fair is fair.”

So have fun. I’m sure Money May ain’t gonna miss your $60 bucks next time BG. [/quote]

And to crown your reading comprehension problem (too many hits to the head), you add the fallacious appeal to authority argument (you’re not a “boxing fan”). LOL.

“Money May” as you call him won’t miss anything. He’s a stupid, classless, bereft of character thug that is not SMART ENOUGH to miss what I’m talking about. He’s a product of his lineage. He’s an ignorant little bastard who just so happens to be supremely talented in the ring.

I have a question; did you ever get your cell phone back from him? [/quote]

And you’re the bitch crying about his fight on the internet. Don’t like it, don’t watch.

There’s lots of dirty fighters out there that take cheap shots all the time. Mayweather isn’t one of them.

I’m defending him on here because I knew as soon as I saw it that a bunch of half ass chumps who never watch boxing would start pounding their fists on the ground crying about “honor” and “cheap shots”… and sure enough, all you people that don’t watch boxing have been doing that.

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Now here you go again getting all fucking extra with it. Calling me a bitch over the internet.

Let me remind you one more time: We are an hour apart. I will drive (alone) halfway there along the turnpike, we (you ALONE) can meet in Trenton and you can cowboy the fuck up and call me a bitch like a man. Or, you can try to have some fucking modicum of decency. You can bump TUPAC during your drive, but by all means, cowboy the fuck up or spare us the “bitches” over the internet.

EDIT:

I’ll even reimburse your gas and tolls to hear you call me bitch.

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WOW, we are raping this subject but what the hell. I am not talking about the rules anymore because its clear to ALL that the fight WAS in play and a punch is a punch.

SPORTSMANSHIP is another issue, Fairplay of compitition I understand the argument. But you need to put that whole scene into play before you pass judment. We are talking about seconds, seconds from a headbutt to being put on your azz. Was Money-May still pissed HELL yes, Did he see an opening and take it. Hell yes. But Lets talk about the things he did do:

  1. Right after the headbutt he hugged and let ortiz kiss him.
  2. He tapped gloves with ortiz while he was having a point taken
  3. He walked up to get into fighting postions ortiz put his gloves up for a tap and he tapped back yes it was a graze but it was a tap because at that point he was already within striking zone and could have wailed in with upercuts and crosses.
  4. After all that Ortiz went in for more mayweather nodded HANDS HIGH this is not a passive postion and what he let ONE fly. Ortiz instead of backing up. Stood shocked THEN LOOKED TO THE REF. Then May hit him again

Mayweather puts himself out there to be a PRICK. And from 24/7 I would hate to know the guy. Just comes off as a dick with MAJOR poppa issues.

But the more I watch the fight the more I see no real reason to pass the title of Low character to him based on the tactics in the ring.

However he does claim the King Dick Weed Title from his 24/7 antics and statements.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
What I want to know is, are there any people who think it was a cheap shot and were Mayweather fans before hand?[/quote]

ME

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ah I’m not arguing this anymore. Like I said, the only ones making an issue out of this are people that aren’t boxing fans… everyone within that community has shrugged and said “Fair is fair.”

So have fun. I’m sure Money May ain’t gonna miss your $60 bucks next time BG. [/quote]

And to crown your reading comprehension problem (too many hits to the head), you add the fallacious appeal to authority argument (you’re not a “boxing fan”). LOL.

“Money May” as you call him won’t miss anything. He’s a stupid, classless, bereft of character thug that is not SMART ENOUGH to miss what I’m talking about. He’s a product of his lineage. He’s an ignorant little bastard who just so happens to be supremely talented in the ring.

I have a question; did you ever get your cell phone back from him? [/quote]

And you’re the bitch crying about his fight on the internet. Don’t like it, don’t watch.

There’s lots of dirty fighters out there that take cheap shots all the time. Mayweather isn’t one of them.

I’m defending him on here because I knew as soon as I saw it that a bunch of half ass chumps who never watch boxing would start pounding their fists on the ground crying about “honor” and “cheap shots”… and sure enough, all you people that don’t watch boxing have been doing that.

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Now here you go again getting all fucking extra with it. Calling me a bitch over the internet.

Let me remind you one more time: We are an hour apart. I will drive (alone) halfway there along the turnpike, we (you ALONE) can meet in Trenton and you can cowboy the fuck up and call me a bitch like a man. Or, you can try to have some fucking modicum of decency. You can bump TUPAC during your drive, but by all means, cowboy the fuck up or spare us the “bitches” over the internet.
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Oh christ.

Here we go…

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
What I want to know is, are there any people who think it was a cheap shot and were Mayweather fans before hand?[/quote]

ME[/quote]

HAHAHA, your a stern man Mr. TBG. But you do stick to your guns. hahahah

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I didn’t watch the fight but I watched the “knockout”.[/quote]

As bad as reporting half a quote. It can be used anyway you like. Now your admitting to being ignorant of the situation.

They didn’t touch gloves, Ortiz went in for the hug and Mayweather touched his outstretched hands. The ref was talking to the judges at this point, it’s more than reasonable to expect someone to wait until the ref turns around to punch you in the face.

BG is right. It might have been technically within the rules, but it was still a punk move.

LOL @ all these armchair experts. No one gives a shit how many boxing matches you’ve watched/how many pro boxers you’re friends with, it doesn’t take an expert to spot a bitch move.
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Your talking about Ortiz going in for a hug and you calling other people arm chair experts… Are you serious. Floyds right fist tapped Ortiz left fist at the same time Ortiz right fist tapped Mayweather’s left fist. That’s called touching gloves which is what people do in the beginning of a fight.
Throwing a quick hook to the jaw lets the opposing fighter know it’s on. Even in practice trainers will throw something at your head when your guard is down to let you know to lift them up.
If Mayweather wanted to throw a cheap shot, he would’ve tried to knock him out then.

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Ortiz had his arms out for a hug, not to tap gloves with Mayweather. It obviously wasn’t mutual. Ortiz was not ready to fight and Floyd sucker punched him. I don’t think this is even debatable.

What is debatable is while what Mayweather did was technically within the rules, was it also completely dirty, dishonorable and unsportsmanlike? I say yes.

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I’m not sure how much apologizing a man can take or expect and still go into battle. To me hands up is the sign for “the store is open lets shop”.

30 seconds I may be off on that but 30 seconds after someone tried to headbutt me and “I” know the battle is still going to happen. I’m not sure if I’m clear on much except lets “DANCE”.

In those same 30 I seen a HUG/KISS/apology/tap/Apology

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man what a bunch of thick headed mayweather groupies. That was the mother of all cheap shots. It is one thing to fight dirty and another to prematurely end a fight, especially one this anticipated and watched by so many who all left with a bitter taste in their mouth. And what’s with the Merchant hate ? I know the guy is outspoken but mayweather was more than disrespectful.

btw for all of you who think mayweather is so great please list all of the great fighters he’s fought and beat? he runs from everyone that he knows will give him a tough fight and possibly win. Like Pacquiao, De La Hoya at his prime, Trinidad and the list goes on. Mayweather is a little punk /thread