Mayweather a Punk

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

He should have taken the obvious apology like a professional and then squared up like a professional and boxed on the up and up.
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This is what you’re not catching on to - he did.

He touched gloves, then raised his guard. In boxing, that’s professional.

You do not fucking hug your opponent in boxing, especially not after he’s fouled you repeatedly inside three rounds and tried to KO you with the top of his head.

Mayweather is actually one of the cleaner fighters in the game… guys like Ricky Hatton, Bernard Hopkins, and Zab Judah are far more dirty.

And it’s nearly a universal thing for, if a guy punches you in the nuts more than once, or once and you feel it was on purpose, to hit him back. This is the game.
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“The game” or not it’s cheap. Same as hitting a batter with a pitch.

I know you love boxing but it’s a cheap and dirty circus under the guise of sport due to shots like Mayweathers (and Ortiz). You are clearly backtracking in order to defend the entire sport now through justification of Mayweathers dirty shot, which you agreed it was.

I have no interest in debating the integrity of professional boxing. We all know it has about as much integrity as a heroine riddled whore with aids.

Mayweather won with a dirty shot. That is all. You said it yourself. /thread.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

The goal posts move depending on the behaviour of your opponent. What is dirty and a bitch move against a clean fighter who hadn’t spent an entire fight headbutting you isn’t necessarily a bitch move against someone who has spent the entire fight fighting dirty. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Mayweather is no sweetheart, if you foul the shit out of him, then act like a ring virgin, you have only yourself to blame. [/quote]

Very true.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

He should have taken the obvious apology like a professional and then squared up like a professional and boxed on the up and up.
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This is what you’re not catching on to - he did.

He touched gloves, then raised his guard. In boxing, that’s professional.

You do not fucking hug your opponent in boxing, especially not after he’s fouled you repeatedly inside three rounds and tried to KO you with the top of his head.

Mayweather is actually one of the cleaner fighters in the game… guys like Ricky Hatton, Bernard Hopkins, and Zab Judah are far more dirty.

And it’s nearly a universal thing for, if a guy punches you in the nuts more than once, or once and you feel it was on purpose, to hit him back. This is the game.
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Ye, seriously HoustonGuy, what are you talking about? Mayweather, colossal douche that he is outside of the ring, is incredibly clean and respectful inside the ring. He is far more respectful of his opponents than many lesser fighters. A Hopkins, or fighter of his ilk, would have found a kerb to stomp Ortiz on. You bang on about it being a bitch move, but it wasn’t. Mayweather wanted to fight, he was in the ring to fight. He touched gloves, which he isn’t technically obliged to do, then put his guard up. Ortiz went for a hug at the point that the fight was back on, and he got battered for it. Floyd’s conscience should be clear.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
“The game” or not it’s cheap. Same as hitting a batter with a pitch.

I know you love boxing but it’s a cheap and dirty circus under the guise of sport due to shots like Mayweathers (and Ortiz). You are clearly backtracking in order to defend the entire sport now through justification of Mayweathers dirty shot, which you agreed it was.

I have no interest in debating the integrity of professional boxing. We all know it has about as much integrity as a heroine riddled whore with aids.

Mayweather won with a dirty shot. That is all. You said it yourself. /thread.[/quote]

HA!

/thread?

Suck a dick. You don’t know shit about boxing and you don’t know shit about the rules or ethics inside the ring.

You don’t have any interest in debating because you don’t know what you’re debating. You’re just whining about a “cheap shot” that was clearly legal, clearly allowed, and clearly the fault of the guy who got hit with it.

I advise you start watching some pansy ass pussy sport like golf or soccer, because I don’t think boxing is for you.

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A win is a win
Eh, I won’t hate. put another one in the W column however you can.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Ye, seriously HoustonGuy, what are you talking about? Mayweather, colossal douche that he is outside of the ring, is incredibly clean and respectful inside the ring. He is far more respectful of his opponents than many lesser fighters. A Hopkins, or fighter of his ilk, would have found a kerb to stomp Ortiz on. You bang on about it being a bitch move, but it wasn’t. Mayweather wanted to fight, he was in the ring to fight. He touched gloves, which he isn’t technically obliged to do, then put his guard up. Ortiz went for a hug at the point that the fight was back on, and he got battered for it. Floyd’s conscience should be clear.
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Like I said… if Ortiz did something like that to a fighter like Hopkins, or worse, Roberto Duran, they would have probably beat him to death.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

Cheap is cheap. This is not subjective. Right or wrong is up for interpretation but that’s a whole different conversation and one a boxer (the cheapest, cheatinginst, dirtiest most rigged and once upon a time over-rated sport in the world) surely wouldn’t understand.

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Did you mix this up. Cheap implies a judgement on value. So I tend to think it could be judged subjectively. Right or wrong on the other hand might be considered subjective/relativist or objective/immutable depending on a bunch 'o them ends in y words. You know, ontology, theology, philosophy.

If you mean the punches were cheap in that they did not cost Floyd anything, well they were. He landed them clean and they were easy. Actually all the punches looked pretty easy for him that night. They were however legal and fair in so much as they conformed to the rules. I would even dispute the “dirty” description.

I understand how this makes people dislike Mayweather. I doubt I would care for him as a person. I cannot fault the way he acted in the ring.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
“The game” or not it’s cheap. Same as hitting a batter with a pitch.

I know you love boxing but it’s a cheap and dirty circus under the guise of sport due to shots like Mayweathers (and Ortiz). You are clearly backtracking in order to defend the entire sport now through justification of Mayweathers dirty shot, which you agreed it was.

I have no interest in debating the integrity of professional boxing. We all know it has about as much integrity as a heroine riddled whore with aids.

Mayweather won with a dirty shot. That is all. You said it yourself. /thread.[/quote]

HA!

/thread?

Suck a dick. You don’t know shit about boxing and you don’t know shit about the rules or ethics inside the ring.

You don’t have any interest in debating because you don’t know what you’re debating. You’re just whining about a “cheap shot” that was clearly legal, clearly allowed, and clearly the fault of the guy who got hit with it.

I advise you start watching some pansy ass pussy sport like golf or soccer, because I don’t think boxing is for you.[/quote]

Alternatively, head to your local gym, spar a few rounds, maybe have a bout or two, then come back with your new point of view in a position to talk with sense on the subject.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Ye, seriously HoustonGuy, what are you talking about? Mayweather, colossal douche that he is outside of the ring, is incredibly clean and respectful inside the ring. He is far more respectful of his opponents than many lesser fighters. A Hopkins, or fighter of his ilk, would have found a kerb to stomp Ortiz on. You bang on about it being a bitch move, but it wasn’t. Mayweather wanted to fight, he was in the ring to fight. He touched gloves, which he isn’t technically obliged to do, then put his guard up. Ortiz went for a hug at the point that the fight was back on, and he got battered for it. Floyd’s conscience should be clear.
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Like I said… if Ortiz did something like that to a fighter like Hopkins, or worse, Roberto Duran, they would have probably beat him to death.[/quote]

Agreed, and his family for good measure.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

He should have taken the obvious apology like a professional and then squared up like a professional and boxed on the up and up.
[/quote]

This is what you’re not catching on to - he did.

He touched gloves, then raised his guard. In boxing, that’s professional.

You do not fucking hug your opponent in boxing, especially not after he’s fouled you repeatedly inside three rounds and tried to KO you with the top of his head.

Mayweather is actually one of the cleaner fighters in the game… guys like Ricky Hatton, Bernard Hopkins, and Zab Judah are far more dirty.

And it’s nearly a universal thing for, if a guy punches you in the nuts more than once, or once and you feel it was on purpose, to hit him back. This is the game.
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“The game” or not it’s cheap. Same as hitting a batter with a pitch.

I know you love boxing but it’s a cheap and dirty circus under the guise of sport due to shots like Mayweathers (and Ortiz). You are clearly backtracking in order to defend the entire sport now through justification of Mayweathers dirty shot, which you agreed it was.

I have no interest in debating the integrity of professional boxing. We all know it has about as much integrity as a heroine riddled whore with aids.

Mayweather won with a dirty shot. That is all. You said it yourself. /thread.[/quote]

OK on a quick note. If you like or don’t like boxing. Dont get the Promotion of boxing confused with the FIGHTERS. YOU are not qualified to judge the integritY OF anyone who is willing to step into a small area and put there physical well being on the line. Call it anything you want.

But you turning a judgement call into a show for your hatred for the sport.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Ye, seriously HoustonGuy, what are you talking about? Mayweather, colossal douche that he is outside of the ring, is incredibly clean and respectful inside the ring. He is far more respectful of his opponents than many lesser fighters. A Hopkins, or fighter of his ilk, would have found a kerb to stomp Ortiz on. You bang on about it being a bitch move, but it wasn’t. Mayweather wanted to fight, he was in the ring to fight. He touched gloves, which he isn’t technically obliged to do, then put his guard up. Ortiz went for a hug at the point that the fight was back on, and he got battered for it. Floyd’s conscience should be clear.
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Like I said… if Ortiz did something like that to a fighter like Hopkins, or worse, Roberto Duran, they would have probably beat him to death.[/quote]

Agreed, and his family for good measure. [/quote]

Premise is faulty.

Hopkins would have made Ortiz eat so many “incidental” elbows and get the worst of any “accidental” head contact that Ortiz would have stopped trying to foul or been bleeding all over by the third.

For the record I pick Evander Holyfield as one of the dirtiest fighters no one mentions as being dirty. Every clash of heads, elbow that connects off of a hook, and clash of knees/feet that happens he got the best of. No one said shit about it.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Ye, seriously HoustonGuy, what are you talking about? Mayweather, colossal douche that he is outside of the ring, is incredibly clean and respectful inside the ring. He is far more respectful of his opponents than many lesser fighters. A Hopkins, or fighter of his ilk, would have found a kerb to stomp Ortiz on. You bang on about it being a bitch move, but it wasn’t. Mayweather wanted to fight, he was in the ring to fight. He touched gloves, which he isn’t technically obliged to do, then put his guard up. Ortiz went for a hug at the point that the fight was back on, and he got battered for it. Floyd’s conscience should be clear.
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Like I said… if Ortiz did something like that to a fighter like Hopkins, or worse, Roberto Duran, they would have probably beat him to death.[/quote]

Agreed, and his family for good measure. [/quote]

Premise is faulty.

Hopkins would have made Ortiz eat so many “incidental” elbows and get the worst of any “accidental” head contact that Ortiz would have stopped trying to foul or been bleeding all over by the third.

For the record I pick Evander Holyfield as one of the dirtiest fighters no one mentions as being dirty. Every clash of heads, elbow that connects off of a hook, and clash of knees/feet that happens he got the best of. No one said shit about it.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Very, very true, especially about Holyfield.

Tyson gets known for the ear biting thing, but Holyfield was dirty as fuck that entire fight, over and over.

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Oh and Yes Mayweather is a Dick. I hate to listen to him talk for more than 2 min at a time. I’m pretty sure his success is divided up into 3 things.

  1. God given gift
  2. His work ethic
  3. He sees the face of his father in every boxer he fights.
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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Ye, seriously HoustonGuy, what are you talking about? Mayweather, colossal douche that he is outside of the ring, is incredibly clean and respectful inside the ring. He is far more respectful of his opponents than many lesser fighters. A Hopkins, or fighter of his ilk, would have found a kerb to stomp Ortiz on. You bang on about it being a bitch move, but it wasn’t. Mayweather wanted to fight, he was in the ring to fight. He touched gloves, which he isn’t technically obliged to do, then put his guard up. Ortiz went for a hug at the point that the fight was back on, and he got battered for it. Floyd’s conscience should be clear.
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Like I said… if Ortiz did something like that to a fighter like Hopkins, or worse, Roberto Duran, they would have probably beat him to death.[/quote]

Agreed, and his family for good measure. [/quote]

Premise is faulty.

Hopkins would have made Ortiz eat so many “incidental” elbows and get the worst of any “accidental” head contact that Ortiz would have stopped trying to foul or been bleeding all over by the third.

For the record I pick Evander Holyfield as one of the dirtiest fighters no one mentions as being dirty. Every clash of heads, elbow that connects off of a hook, and clash of knees/feet that happens he got the best of. No one said shit about it.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Very, very true, especially about Holyfield.

Tyson gets known for the ear biting thing, but Holyfield was dirty as fuck that entire fight, over and over.
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hahaha wellll, yeah Holyfield was throwing elbows and head grinds like a mofo. But tyson lost his freaking mind in that fight. Matter of fact I think Hagler seen that and cringed.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Ye, seriously HoustonGuy, what are you talking about? Mayweather, colossal douche that he is outside of the ring, is incredibly clean and respectful inside the ring. He is far more respectful of his opponents than many lesser fighters. A Hopkins, or fighter of his ilk, would have found a kerb to stomp Ortiz on. You bang on about it being a bitch move, but it wasn’t. Mayweather wanted to fight, he was in the ring to fight. He touched gloves, which he isn’t technically obliged to do, then put his guard up. Ortiz went for a hug at the point that the fight was back on, and he got battered for it. Floyd’s conscience should be clear.
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Like I said… if Ortiz did something like that to a fighter like Hopkins, or worse, Roberto Duran, they would have probably beat him to death.[/quote]

Agreed, and his family for good measure. [/quote]

Premise is faulty.

Hopkins would have made Ortiz eat so many “incidental” elbows and get the worst of any “accidental” head contact that Ortiz would have stopped trying to foul or been bleeding all over by the third.

For the record I pick Evander Holyfield as one of the dirtiest fighters no one mentions as being dirty. Every clash of heads, elbow that connects off of a hook, and clash of knees/feet that happens he got the best of. No one said shit about it.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Haha, very true. Hopkins would have reduced Ortiz to tears by the 4th round, and I’m pretty sure he’d have had a ‘no mas’ moment before the start of the fifth.

Holyfield is a good example of an incredibly dirty fighter. He was filthy in the Tyson fight. Tyson obviously took it too the extreme, but it goes to show that fighting fair when someone is looking to land every sharp, hard bit of their body any time they can, is a quick way to get beaten.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
It was cheap by Mayweather, [/quote]

QFT

Because I think this is the entire fucking point of the matter. You guys are busy justifying it and otherwise engaging in moral relativism, but at the end of the day, it WAS a cheap shot. But some of you missed that in your zeal to pontificate about the rules of boxing which we all fucking know about, and otherwise defend the little punk. He’s a punk.

And it says here first that if he ever gets in a career defining fight, he loses. He’ll fucking fold. He has no character. But we all know he won’t get in that fight…wouldn’t want to risk his pretty record.
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We probably have irreconcilable view points on this then, because as far as I’m concerned, there is nothing wrong with cheap shots once the other fighter has decided to throw Marques of Queensbury out of the window. It is cheap to throw an elbow, it is cheap to step on an opponent’s lead foot, but this shit happens all the time, it is part of the sport. It’s fighting at the end of the day, which is why everyone repeats the mantra of protecting yourself at all times. So Mayweather took advantage of an opportunity, and was less than a gentleman. It is hard to think of a successful fighter that hasn’t done the same thing at some point in their career. If Ortiz had behaved as he should have, and put his guard up after they touched gloves, then there would have been no cheap shot at all. In the circumstances Mayweather was well within his rights to get on with the fight, and I don’t know a fighter who wouldn’t have done the same thing. [/quote]

We do not disagree in spirit. If Mayweather had ended the fight on a retaliatory head butt, you wouldn’t hear boo from me. Every example you have given is retaliation within the battle. And within that context, I agree 100%. However, it WAS a cheap shot. And it ended the fight. Yes, it was technically legal. But it was cheap and it was a punk move.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
It was cheap by Mayweather, [/quote]

QFT

Because I think this is the entire fucking point of the matter. You guys are busy justifying it and otherwise engaging in moral relativism, but at the end of the day, it WAS a cheap shot. But some of you missed that in your zeal to pontificate about the rules of boxing which we all fucking know about, and otherwise defend the little punk. He’s a punk.

And it says here first that if he ever gets in a career defining fight, he loses. He’ll fucking fold. He has no character. But we all know he won’t get in that fight…wouldn’t want to risk his pretty record.
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You don’t know shit about what you’re talking about. Like, not one fucking clue.

This guy has already fought his “career defining fights” against the most dangerous fighters of this generation - Zab Judah when he was THE man, he knocked down and utterly destroyed a prime Diego Corrales, he beat a prime Castillo twice, he beat Corley, he KO’d Hatton, he outboxed Oscar De La Hoya, he beat a prime Emmanuel Augustus in one of his most underrated fights, and he completely dominated Shane Mosley.

Again, you don’t know shit about boxing - you think it’s all about fighting whoever the big name is now. You should really stop talking about it. Completely.
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You don’t know shit about my point. Not one fucking clue. Because you’re too fucking busy pontificating, as if we all give a flying fuck about your association with boxing. FTR, I watch “more than one fight per year”, and count among current and former friends professional boxers. And, tada…I’ve been in the ring myself a few times.

The point you’re missing is that Floyd is supremely talented. And he was more talented than all those fighters you mentioned. He beat them on talent. He has never been in a knock down drag out battle. And I say, if and when he does, he loses. Simple. I do not think he has any character. I think he’s a front runner. I think he’s a typical hard-mouthed cur that will fold when he meets his match. Now, that may never happen, given the way he seems to cherry pick his fights, but you missed my point by a mile.

You should really stop talking for a moment. Completely. And try listening to another viewpoint.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

The point you’re missing is that Floyd is supremely talented. And he was more talented than all those fighters you mentioned. He beat them on talent. He has never been in a knock down drag out battle. And I say, if and when he does, he loses. Simple. I do not think he has any character. I think he’s a front runner. I think he’s a typical hard-mouthed cur that will fold when he meets his match. Now, that may never happen, given the way he seems to cherry pick his fights, but you missed my point by a mile.
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The reason he has not been in a “knock down drag out battle” is because he’s so much better than EVERYONE ELSE.

At this point I say he’s in the Top 30 pound for pound in history, and there’s few fighters that really matchup well with him in terms of both style and talent. He’s a boxer, not a brawler, and if he got into such a knock down fight, it would be a failure on his part, on his game plan, because his whole plan is to methodically break down and defeat, not to walk in with his head down looking to bang with somebody.

The reason he hasn’t been shut up is because nobody CAN shut him up. He’s fought all of the best fighters of this generation, and made them all look like chumps.

Somehow, though, that’s his fault? I don’t think so.

When he beats Pacquaio - and he’s going to - everybody is going to have to shut up and give him the credit he deserves.

If you’ve really been in the ring yourself, I’d expect that you know way more about boxing in terms of Mayweather’s style, how he uses it to win, and why he wins as consistently as he does.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

The point you’re missing is that Floyd is supremely talented. And he was more talented than all those fighters you mentioned. He beat them on talent. He has never been in a knock down drag out battle. And I say, if and when he does, he loses. Simple. I do not think he has any character. I think he’s a front runner. I think he’s a typical hard-mouthed cur that will fold when he meets his match. Now, that may never happen, given the way he seems to cherry pick his fights, but you missed my point by a mile.
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The reason he has not been in a “knock down drag out battle” is because he’s so much better than EVERYONE ELSE.

At this point I say he’s in the Top 30 pound for pound in history, and there’s few fighters that really matchup well with him in terms of both style and talent. He’s a boxer, not a brawler, and if he got into such a knock down fight, it would be a failure on his part, on his game plan, because his whole plan is to methodically break down and defeat, not to walk in with his head down looking to bang with somebody.

The reason he hasn’t been shut up is because nobody CAN shut him up. He’s fought all of the best fighters of this generation, and made them all look like chumps.

Somehow, though, that’s his fault? I don’t think so.

When he beats Pacquaio - and he’s going to - everybody is going to have to shut up and give him the credit he deserves.

If you’ve really been in the ring yourself, I’d expect that you know way more about boxing in terms of Mayweather’s style, how he uses it to win, and why he wins as consistently as he does.

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Still fucking flying by my point? Or don’t realize you just repeated what I said? Did I say it’s his fault that he’s more talented? Did I not just fucking say he’s supremely talented and has been more talented than his opponents? But I will not concede he’s always taken the fights that were there, when they were wanted by the public. He has not.

And I believe he’s a front runner. I don’t believe he has the character to survive a knock down drag out fight. I don’t believe he has met his match, and if he did, I believe he’d lose. He may not meet his match though.

You’d expect me to know what about boxing? Is this a discussion about style or even boxing?

Let me school you. My OP was a VALUE JUDGMENT. It was not a discussion about the rules of boxing. The OP did not state “Mayweather cheated”. OP stated it was a punk move. I stand by that. I’d have much rather seen him retaliate, DURING the actual fighting.

Any other questions?