Mayweather a Punk

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Mayweather was professional, he touched gloves and continued the fight. Ortiz was naive and went for a hug, and got battered. It isn’t a tickling competition. Even in the amateurs, it would be suicide for a fighter to go for a cuddle having just touched gloves after a major foul. I’d expect anyone doing that at any level to get a smack in the mouth for their troubles. It was cheap by Mayweather, but professionals, particularly in the fight game, shouldn’t give other fighters opportunities like that. [/quote]

Exactly right.

I learned in kindergarten that you NEVER give someone the opening to take a shot at you, cause they will.

How Ortiz has been fighting this long and is somehow in the dark about this is beyond me.

I am starting to agree with you that maybe he was looking for a way out of the fight and thought he could be DQ’d.[/quote]

First it was a cheap shot that you justified as equalizing Ortiz’s cheap shot and now he was acting in an above board manner?

Which is it? We are calling the cart the horse here.
[/quote]

Huh? I never said it was a cheap shot. I said it was “kinda dirty” but certainly not cheap.

What it comes down to is that Joe Cortez called the fight to start back up again, and after a glove touch, Mayweather started boxing. Ortiz was hugging and looking to the ref and trying to give Floyd a kiss and whatever else, but he was not boxing.

Who’s fault is that?

From what I can tell the boxing community is already moving past this as an example of a kid not knowing the game.

A couple friends of mine, one a pro who absolutely hates Mayweather and the other a trainer who isn’t that fond of him either, both agreed that Floyd was doing what you do in boxing. The boxing sites are running articles that are concurring with that.

It’s only people like you - who don’t watch boxing - that think this was a “bitch move” or a “cheap shot.”

But then, talking to regular people about a boxing match is like asking your wife who has watched three football games in her whole life to analyze the Super Bowl.

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Cheap shot doesn’t make it illegal mate. It wasn’t classy, and it wouldn’t have altered the outcome for Floyd to shake off the hug then get back to fucking up Ortiz once Ortiz was ready to continue. Just because he didn’t do the decent thing, doesn’t mean it was illegal. I’ve done unsportsman like shit in some of my amateur bouts, and I’m a pretty straight up guy most of the time, but when you’re in there and the other guy wants to play rough, it doesn’t serve you to to be a gentleman, whether you’re amateur or pro. Unsportsman like doesn’t mean what you have done is illegal.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I didn’t watch the fight but I watched the “knockout”.

I don’t care what happened prior (head butt?). [/quote]

Wow. Doesn’t this just nullify the basis of this thread?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Mayweather is a total punk and pulled a bitch move for sure. The referee had already started the fight back up but was still looking at the judges table and not at all ready for to start refereeing the fight? That’s a total bullshit made up line by boxing officials to help mayweather out IMO. The referee didn’t even see what happened!

I haven’t ever paid for a Mayweather fight and I never will. He will never get any of my money. The guy is a total piece of scum with no class an no respect (look at the way he talks to his father in front of TV cameras)[/quote]

What made up rule are you talking about?

Either way it’s not the Boxers job to look at the ref. It’s his job to pay attention to the fighter in front of him.

Money- May does wear the uniform of a “Dick” with great comfort an pride.
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Four

You’re defending him on technicality and ignoring custom. Already, the boxing world itself is calling it a “sucker punch”, “cowardly”, etc. It is what it is. Not protecting yourself in the clinch until the ref cleanly breaks the action is one thing…cold cocking the dude after he just gave you an apology and obviously wasn’t ready is NOT within the spirit of “protect yourself at all times”. [/quote]

Your post just showed up. The Mods must have you on a ten min delay.

NOW, don’t get it twisted. Mayweather seen with 20/20 that Ortiz was still fucking around. My question is wtf was Ortiz doing!!!
May didn’t throw the punch from is knees with arms straight like Ali or Roy Jones. He brushed gloves then put his guard up, Come on this is a defensive position now. Why are you moving in with your guard down.

Yes Mayweather knew the guys guard was down and he could have took a step back and nodded again and did the come on wave that boxers do to indicate the don’t want of BS but fight. Bit that’s not Mayweather he seen a open door and walked thru.

Also did you notice after the first shot Ortiz still looked over at the ref instead of backing up.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Mayweather was professional, he touched gloves and continued the fight. Ortiz was naive and went for a hug, and got battered. It isn’t a tickling competition. Even in the amateurs, it would be suicide for a fighter to go for a cuddle having just touched gloves after a major foul. I’d expect anyone doing that at any level to get a smack in the mouth for their troubles. It was cheap by Mayweather, but professionals, particularly in the fight game, shouldn’t give other fighters opportunities like that. [/quote]

Exactly right.

I learned in kindergarten that you NEVER give someone the opening to take a shot at you, cause they will.

How Ortiz has been fighting this long and is somehow in the dark about this is beyond me.

I am starting to agree with you that maybe he was looking for a way out of the fight and thought he could be DQ’d.[/quote]

First it was a cheap shot that you justified as equalizing Ortiz’s cheap shot and now he was acting in an above board manner?

Which is it? We are calling the cart the horse here.
[/quote]

Huh? I never said it was a cheap shot. I said it was “kinda dirty” but certainly not cheap.

What it comes down to is that Joe Cortez called the fight to start back up again, and after a glove touch, Mayweather started boxing. Ortiz was hugging and looking to the ref and trying to give Floyd a kiss and whatever else, but he was not boxing.

Who’s fault is that?

From what I can tell the boxing community is already moving past this as an example of a kid not knowing the game.

A couple friends of mine, one a pro who absolutely hates Mayweather and the other a trainer who isn’t that fond of him either, both agreed that Floyd was doing what you do in boxing. The boxing sites are running articles that are concurring with that.

It’s only people like you - who don’t watch boxing - that think this was a “bitch move” or a “cheap shot.”

But then, talking to regular people about a boxing match is like asking your wife who has watched three football games in her whole life to analyze the Super Bowl.
[/quote]You are discussing flat out justification. Cheap, dirty, you are playing semantics now. Mayweather won with a dirty cheap shot, justified or not.

We all know you love boxing, you are not an expert analyst any more than anyone else, don’t get doubly silly.

You’ve already mentioned multiple times now that Mayweather landed cheap shots and argued that it’s ok because he took one too. You can’t back peddle now and hide behind your friends and a Mayweather sypmathizing sports writers opinion.

Cheap is cheap. This is not subjective. Right or wrong is up for interpretation but that’s a whole different conversation and one a boxer (the cheapest, cheatinginst, dirtiest most rigged and once upon a time over-rated sport in the world) surely wouldn’t understand.

The topic here is the fact that Mayweather took a cheap shot that knocked Ortiz out.

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The punches were completely legal.

The fact Ortiz had fouled Mayweather blatantly, and attempted to do so multiple other times means that only a fool would offer quarter to him once the fight was back on. If Ortiz would have hit Mayweather it would have been legal. It is one thing to “never strike a foul blow” against people who respond in kind. Ortiz used his head repeatedly and kept going back to it. It was the only thing working for him.

It is not even so much a case of Mayweather seizing an opportunity as it is a case of Mayweather being ring wise enough not to let a fighter who has shown for the last 11 minutes and 50 odd seconds to be willing to foul/cheat AND who does have KO power to get in close and catch him flat footed.

Fuck. The only two options Floyd had were to hit Ortiz, or get the fuck away from him. If he would have just stood there and hoped all Victor wanted to do was cuddle he would have earned a loss for general stupidity.

Mayweather is not sportsman of the year.

He is 42-0.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Mayweather was professional, he touched gloves and continued the fight. Ortiz was naive and went for a hug, and got battered. It isn’t a tickling competition. Even in the amateurs, it would be suicide for a fighter to go for a cuddle having just touched gloves after a major foul. I’d expect anyone doing that at any level to get a smack in the mouth for their troubles. It was cheap by Mayweather, but professionals, particularly in the fight game, shouldn’t give other fighters opportunities like that. [/quote]

Exactly right.

I learned in kindergarten that you NEVER give someone the opening to take a shot at you, cause they will.

How Ortiz has been fighting this long and is somehow in the dark about this is beyond me.

I am starting to agree with you that maybe he was looking for a way out of the fight and thought he could be DQ’d.[/quote]

First it was a cheap shot that you justified as equalizing Ortiz’s cheap shot and now he was acting in an above board manner?

Which is it? We are calling the cart the horse here.
[/quote]

Huh? I never said it was a cheap shot. I said it was “kinda dirty” but certainly not cheap.

What it comes down to is that Joe Cortez called the fight to start back up again, and after a glove touch, Mayweather started boxing. Ortiz was hugging and looking to the ref and trying to give Floyd a kiss and whatever else, but he was not boxing.

Who’s fault is that?

From what I can tell the boxing community is already moving past this as an example of a kid not knowing the game.

A couple friends of mine, one a pro who absolutely hates Mayweather and the other a trainer who isn’t that fond of him either, both agreed that Floyd was doing what you do in boxing. The boxing sites are running articles that are concurring with that.

It’s only people like you - who don’t watch boxing - that think this was a “bitch move” or a “cheap shot.”

But then, talking to regular people about a boxing match is like asking your wife who has watched three football games in her whole life to analyze the Super Bowl.
[/quote]You are discussing flat out justification. Cheap, dirty, you are playing semantics now. Mayweather won with a dirty cheap shot, justified or not.

We all know you love boxing, you are not an expert analyst any more than anyone else, don’t get doubly silly.

You’ve already mentioned multiple times now that Mayweather landed cheap shots and argued that it’s ok because he took one too. You can’t back peddle now and hide behind your friends and a Mayweather sypmathizing sports writers opinion.

Cheap is cheap. This is not subjective. Right or wrong is up for interpretation but that’s a whole different conversation and one a boxer (the cheapest, cheatinginst, dirtiest most rigged and once upon a time over-rated sport in the world) surely wouldn’t understand.

The topic here is the fact that Mayweather took a cheap shot that knocked Ortiz out.

[/quote]

What do you think he should have done?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
It was cheap by Mayweather, [/quote]

QFT

Because I think this is the entire fucking point of the matter. You guys are busy justifying it and otherwise engaging in moral relativism, but at the end of the day, it WAS a cheap shot. But some of you missed that in your zeal to pontificate about the rules of boxing which we all fucking know about, and otherwise defend the little punk. He’s a punk.

And it says here first that if he ever gets in a career defining fight, he loses. He’ll fucking fold. He has no character. But we all know he won’t get in that fight…wouldn’t want to risk his pretty record.
[/quote]

We probably have irreconcilable view points on this then, because as far as I’m concerned, there is nothing wrong with cheap shots once the other fighter has decided to throw Marques of Queensbury out of the window. It is cheap to throw an elbow, it is cheap to step on an opponent’s lead foot, but this shit happens all the time, it is part of the sport. It’s fighting at the end of the day, which is why everyone repeats the mantra of protecting yourself at all times. So Mayweather took advantage of an opportunity, and was less than a gentleman. It is hard to think of a successful fighter that hasn’t done the same thing at some point in their career. If Ortiz had behaved as he should have, and put his guard up after they touched gloves, then there would have been no cheap shot at all. In the circumstances Mayweather was well within his rights to get on with the fight, and I don’t know a fighter who wouldn’t have done the same thing.

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I wont have a beer with the man, but in the ring he was within his rights.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
It was cheap by Mayweather, [/quote]

QFT

Because I think this is the entire fucking point of the matter. You guys are busy justifying it and otherwise engaging in moral relativism, but at the end of the day, it WAS a cheap shot. But some of you missed that in your zeal to pontificate about the rules of boxing which we all fucking know about, and otherwise defend the little punk. He’s a punk.

And it says here first that if he ever gets in a career defining fight, he loses. He’ll fucking fold. He has no character. But we all know he won’t get in that fight…wouldn’t want to risk his pretty record.
[/quote]

You don’t know shit about what you’re talking about. Like, not one fucking clue.

This guy has already fought his “career defining fights” against the most dangerous fighters of this generation - Zab Judah when he was THE man, he knocked down and utterly destroyed a prime Diego Corrales, he beat a prime Castillo twice, he beat Corley, he KO’d Hatton, he outboxed Oscar De La Hoya, he beat a prime Emmanuel Augustus in one of his most underrated fights, and he completely dominated Shane Mosley.

Again, you don’t know shit about boxing - you think it’s all about fighting whoever the big name is now. You should really stop talking about it. Completely.

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Hey Irish,do you still post on Bloodyknux?

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
The punches were completely legal.

The fact Ortiz had fouled Mayweather blatantly, and attempted to do so multiple other times means that only a fool would offer quarter to him once the fight was back on. If Ortiz would have hit Mayweather it would have been legal. It is one thing to “never strike a foul blow” against people who respond in kind. Ortiz used his head repeatedly and kept going back to it. It was the only thing working for him.

It is not even so much a case of Mayweather seizing an opportunity as it is a case of Mayweather being ring wise enough not to let a fighter who has shown for the last 11 minutes and 50 odd seconds to be willing to foul/cheat AND who does have KO power to get in close and catch him flat footed.

Fuck. The only two options Floyd had were to hit Ortiz, or get the fuck away from him. If he would have just stood there and hoped all Victor wanted to do was cuddle he would have earned a loss for general stupidity.

Mayweather is not sportsman of the year.

He is 42-0.

Regards,

Robert A

[/quote]

Exactly

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Mayweather was professional, he touched gloves and continued the fight. Ortiz was naive and went for a hug, and got battered. It isn’t a tickling competition. Even in the amateurs, it would be suicide for a fighter to go for a cuddle having just touched gloves after a major foul. I’d expect anyone doing that at any level to get a smack in the mouth for their troubles. It was cheap by Mayweather, but professionals, particularly in the fight game, shouldn’t give other fighters opportunities like that. [/quote]

Exactly right.

I learned in kindergarten that you NEVER give someone the opening to take a shot at you, cause they will.

How Ortiz has been fighting this long and is somehow in the dark about this is beyond me.

I am starting to agree with you that maybe he was looking for a way out of the fight and thought he could be DQ’d.[/quote]

First it was a cheap shot that you justified as equalizing Ortiz’s cheap shot and now he was acting in an above board manner?

Which is it? We are calling the cart the horse here.
[/quote]

Huh? I never said it was a cheap shot. I said it was “kinda dirty” but certainly not cheap.

What it comes down to is that Joe Cortez called the fight to start back up again, and after a glove touch, Mayweather started boxing. Ortiz was hugging and looking to the ref and trying to give Floyd a kiss and whatever else, but he was not boxing.

Who’s fault is that?

From what I can tell the boxing community is already moving past this as an example of a kid not knowing the game.

A couple friends of mine, one a pro who absolutely hates Mayweather and the other a trainer who isn’t that fond of him either, both agreed that Floyd was doing what you do in boxing. The boxing sites are running articles that are concurring with that.

It’s only people like you - who don’t watch boxing - that think this was a “bitch move” or a “cheap shot.”

But then, talking to regular people about a boxing match is like asking your wife who has watched three football games in her whole life to analyze the Super Bowl.
[/quote]You are discussing flat out justification. Cheap, dirty, you are playing semantics now. Mayweather won with a dirty cheap shot, justified or not.

We all know you love boxing, you are not an expert analyst any more than anyone else, don’t get doubly silly.

You’ve already mentioned multiple times now that Mayweather landed cheap shots and argued that it’s ok because he took one too. You can’t back peddle now and hide behind your friends and a Mayweather sypmathizing sports writers opinion.

Cheap is cheap. This is not subjective. Right or wrong is up for interpretation but that’s a whole different conversation and one a boxer (the cheapest, cheatinginst, dirtiest most rigged and once upon a time over-rated sport in the world) surely wouldn’t understand.

The topic here is the fact that Mayweather took a cheap shot that knocked Ortiz out.

[/quote]

What do you think he should have done?[/quote]

He should have taken the obvious apology like a professional and then squared up like a professional and boxed on the up and up.

This wasn’t a bar fight, it was a professional athletic event. Whether he was technically in the right isn’t the conversation here, the fact that he played dirty is.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

We all know you love boxing, you are not an expert analyst any more than anyone else, don’t get doubly silly.
[/quote]

I hate to tell you, but I’m goddamned close to it. You don’t know me or what I do for a living.

Excuse me? I NEVER called it a cheap shot. Never. Find where I said that. I said it was “kind of dirty” in the same way that holding a guy’s head down when he comes in or repeatedly tying up his arm when he comes inside on you is - it’s not pure boxing but it’s certainly legal and allowed within the ring.

Again. You watching your one boxing match a year have no idea what’s allowed and what’s not, what’s acceptable and what isn’t.

The general boxing community isn’t even questioning this, and there’s been no talk of stripping Mayweather of the belt or giving him any kind of reprimand.

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[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Hey Irish,do you still post on Bloodyknux?[/quote]

Ah, I don’t know what that website is… the only site I’ve posted on besides this one is Eastside… what’s that site about?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

We all know you love boxing, you are not an expert analyst any more than anyone else, don’t get doubly silly.
[/quote]

I hate to tell you, but I’m goddamned close to it. You don’t know me or what I do for a living.

Excuse me? I NEVER called it a cheap shot. Never. Find where I said that. I said it was “kind of dirty” in the same way that holding a guy’s head down when he comes in or repeatedly tying up his arm when he comes inside on you is - it’s not pure boxing but it’s certainly legal and allowed within the ring.

Again. You watching your one boxing match a year have no idea what’s allowed and what’s not, what’s acceptable and what isn’t.

The general boxing community isn’t even questioning this, and there’s been no talk of stripping Mayweather of the belt or giving him any kind of reprimand.

[/quote]You are still horse prancing around but it doesn’t mean anything to the conversation.

Cheap is cheap and what Mayweather did was cheap, call it dirty if you want… and you did.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

He should have taken the obvious apology like a professional and then squared up like a professional and boxed on the up and up.
[/quote]

This is what you’re not catching on to - he did.

He touched gloves, then raised his guard. In boxing, that’s professional.

You do not fucking hug your opponent in boxing, especially not after he’s fouled you repeatedly inside three rounds and tried to KO you with the top of his head.

Mayweather is actually one of the cleaner fighters in the game… guys like Ricky Hatton, Bernard Hopkins, and Zab Judah are far more dirty.

And it’s nearly a universal thing for, if a guy punches you in the nuts more than once, or once and you feel it was on purpose, to hit him back. This is the game.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Mayweather was professional, he touched gloves and continued the fight. Ortiz was naive and went for a hug, and got battered. It isn’t a tickling competition. Even in the amateurs, it would be suicide for a fighter to go for a cuddle having just touched gloves after a major foul. I’d expect anyone doing that at any level to get a smack in the mouth for their troubles. It was cheap by Mayweather, but professionals, particularly in the fight game, shouldn’t give other fighters opportunities like that. [/quote]

Exactly right.

I learned in kindergarten that you NEVER give someone the opening to take a shot at you, cause they will.

How Ortiz has been fighting this long and is somehow in the dark about this is beyond me.

I am starting to agree with you that maybe he was looking for a way out of the fight and thought he could be DQ’d.[/quote]

First it was a cheap shot that you justified as equalizing Ortiz’s cheap shot and now he was acting in an above board manner?

Which is it? We are calling the cart the horse here.
[/quote]

Huh? I never said it was a cheap shot. I said it was “kinda dirty” but certainly not cheap.

What it comes down to is that Joe Cortez called the fight to start back up again, and after a glove touch, Mayweather started boxing. Ortiz was hugging and looking to the ref and trying to give Floyd a kiss and whatever else, but he was not boxing.

Who’s fault is that?

From what I can tell the boxing community is already moving past this as an example of a kid not knowing the game.

A couple friends of mine, one a pro who absolutely hates Mayweather and the other a trainer who isn’t that fond of him either, both agreed that Floyd was doing what you do in boxing. The boxing sites are running articles that are concurring with that.

It’s only people like you - who don’t watch boxing - that think this was a “bitch move” or a “cheap shot.”

But then, talking to regular people about a boxing match is like asking your wife who has watched three football games in her whole life to analyze the Super Bowl.
[/quote]You are discussing flat out justification. Cheap, dirty, you are playing semantics now. Mayweather won with a dirty cheap shot, justified or not.

We all know you love boxing, you are not an expert analyst any more than anyone else, don’t get doubly silly.

You’ve already mentioned multiple times now that Mayweather landed cheap shots and argued that it’s ok because he took one too. You can’t back peddle now and hide behind your friends and a Mayweather sypmathizing sports writers opinion.

Cheap is cheap. This is not subjective. Right or wrong is up for interpretation but that’s a whole different conversation and one a boxer (the cheapest, cheatinginst, dirtiest most rigged and once upon a time over-rated sport in the world) surely wouldn’t understand.

The topic here is the fact that Mayweather took a cheap shot that knocked Ortiz out.

[/quote]

What do you think he should have done?[/quote]

He should have taken the obvious apology like a professional and then squared up like a professional and boxed on the up and up.

This wasn’t a bar fight, it was a professional athletic event. Whether he was technically in the right isn’t the conversation here, the fact that he played dirty is.

[/quote]

The goal posts move depending on the behaviour of your opponent. What is dirty and a bitch move against a clean fighter who hadn’t spent an entire fight headbutting you isn’t necessarily a bitch move against someone who has spent the entire fight fighting dirty. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Mayweather is no sweetheart, if you foul the shit out of him, then act like a ring virgin, you have only yourself to blame.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
You are still horse prancing around but it doesn’t mean anything to the conversation.
[/quote]

BECAUSE YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING SPORT, THERE IS NO CONVERSATION!

I said “kinda dirty” in that some fighters would take advantage of that situation, and others wouldn’t. None of them would be wrong for either course of action.

The SAME THING happened to Gatti when they fought, and Gatti even said after the fight, “They tell you protect yourself at all times, guess I had to learn the hard way.”

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Mayweather was professional, he touched gloves and continued the fight. Ortiz was naive and went for a hug, and got battered. It isn’t a tickling competition. Even in the amateurs, it would be suicide for a fighter to go for a cuddle having just touched gloves after a major foul. I’d expect anyone doing that at any level to get a smack in the mouth for their troubles. It was cheap by Mayweather, but professionals, particularly in the fight game, shouldn’t give other fighters opportunities like that. [/quote]

Exactly right.

I learned in kindergarten that you NEVER give someone the opening to take a shot at you, cause they will.

How Ortiz has been fighting this long and is somehow in the dark about this is beyond me.

I am starting to agree with you that maybe he was looking for a way out of the fight and thought he could be DQ’d.[/quote]

First it was a cheap shot that you justified as equalizing Ortiz’s cheap shot and now he was acting in an above board manner?

Which is it? We are calling the cart the horse here.
[/quote]

Huh? I never said it was a cheap shot. I said it was “kinda dirty” but certainly not cheap.

What it comes down to is that Joe Cortez called the fight to start back up again, and after a glove touch, Mayweather started boxing. Ortiz was hugging and looking to the ref and trying to give Floyd a kiss and whatever else, but he was not boxing.

Who’s fault is that?

From what I can tell the boxing community is already moving past this as an example of a kid not knowing the game.

A couple friends of mine, one a pro who absolutely hates Mayweather and the other a trainer who isn’t that fond of him either, both agreed that Floyd was doing what you do in boxing. The boxing sites are running articles that are concurring with that.

It’s only people like you - who don’t watch boxing - that think this was a “bitch move” or a “cheap shot.”

But then, talking to regular people about a boxing match is like asking your wife who has watched three football games in her whole life to analyze the Super Bowl.
[/quote]You are discussing flat out justification. Cheap, dirty, you are playing semantics now. Mayweather won with a dirty cheap shot, justified or not.

We all know you love boxing, you are not an expert analyst any more than anyone else, don’t get doubly silly.

You’ve already mentioned multiple times now that Mayweather landed cheap shots and argued that it’s ok because he took one too. You can’t back peddle now and hide behind your friends and a Mayweather sypmathizing sports writers opinion.

Cheap is cheap. This is not subjective. Right or wrong is up for interpretation but that’s a whole different conversation and one a boxer (the cheapest, cheatinginst, dirtiest most rigged and once upon a time over-rated sport in the world) surely wouldn’t understand.

The topic here is the fact that Mayweather took a cheap shot that knocked Ortiz out.

[/quote]

What do you think he should have done?[/quote]

He should have taken the obvious apology like a professional and then squared up like a professional and boxed on the up and up.

This wasn’t a bar fight, it was a professional athletic event. Whether he was technically in the right isn’t the conversation here, the fact that he played dirty is.

[/quote]

Have watched any of this. He took the apology. He accepted it 3 or 4 times. He could have hit him in the corner when he hugged him the first time. He could have tagged him again when they went to brush gloves. He went in again for a hug while May was coming in WITH HIS HANDS HELD HIGH.

Your right this was not a bar fight. I’m not sure you believe this was like that. I just think you don’t like mayweather. because you seem very forgiving of the headbutt becuase it didn’t go as planned.

We both agree that as 2 gentleman have a slap match this seems like someone cheated or they both cheated. and didn’t request permission for there turn to slap. But lets just say to Cheap shotters got into a fight and one shot went better than the other…even though he told the other guy a shot was coming but thats beyond the point.