Mayweather a Punk

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
For the record, I like my fighters to be thug. It’s fighting. I hate when they “like” each other and all that bullshit. And I think Ortiz is a bitch and made a bitch move with this bullshit kissing and hugging. If fouled him. Ortiz should have been “fuck you, I fouled you, let’s fight”. And, I would have MUCH preferred that Mayweather NOT accept his hollow apology and to play dirty back. Like I said, one of my favorite fighters is Hopkins. I loved Tyson when he was menacing - and who knows what he would have done. I’d like to think Mike would have gotten down and dirty DURING the fight, not when the dude wasn’t looking. I’d have preferred Mayweather said, “fuck you” and commenced fighting. That said, I still can’t agree to the cheap shot. I understand your point of view. I do. But I rather see it get dirty while both fighters are DEFENDING themselves. Hit me below the belt, and I’m going south too.

I know it’s a small distinction, but hitting a guy when he isn’t defending himself or even looking doesn’t sit right with me.
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This brings up a couple of points in my mind. First, please do not take anything I have written as defense of Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s character overall. My position is that he is a self serving ass, but that his actions in the ring Saturday did not add to or diminish this. He is also a serious talent. I think he is a pretty clean fighter, within the ropes. He is a dick outside of them.

I do not think letting a fighter that has repeatedly tried to head butt you get their arms over yours to “hug” is a good idea. Really, Ortiz had all but sent a notarized letter saying “don’t trust me to be clean when we clinch”, so no hugging regardless. I wrote earlier the only two smart options for Floyd were to hit, or get away/make space because Ortiz may have tried for another foul (granted it probably would have netted a DQ). I believe you stated you would have shoved him away/waved him off so I would put that in the “get away” catagory, fair?

Third, I agree Ortiz was trying for a “hollow” apology. At best he was trying to coast out the rest of the round, at worst it was ruse to get Floyd out of his game.

We DO know what Tyson would have done if he was clinched and roughed up. Holyfield showed us. Tyson is the example of a “front runner” who languished in tough fights.

Finally, fuck Larry Merchant. He does his best to make me hate boxing every time he opens his mouth.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
For the record, I like my fighters to be thug. It’s fighting. I hate when they “like” each other and all that bullshit. And I think Ortiz is a bitch and made a bitch move with this bullshit kissing and hugging. If fouled him. Ortiz should have been “fuck you, I fouled you, let’s fight”. And, I would have MUCH preferred that Mayweather NOT accept his hollow apology and to play dirty back. Like I said, one of my favorite fighters is Hopkins. I loved Tyson when he was menacing - and who knows what he would have done. I’d like to think Mike would have gotten down and dirty DURING the fight, not when the dude wasn’t looking. I’d have preferred Mayweather said, “fuck you” and commenced fighting. That said, I still can’t agree to the cheap shot. I understand your point of view. I do. But I rather see it get dirty while both fighters are DEFENDING themselves. Hit me below the belt, and I’m going south too.

I know it’s a small distinction, but hitting a guy when he isn’t defending himself or even looking doesn’t sit right with me.
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This brings up a couple of points in my mind. First, please do not take anything I have written as defense of Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s character overall. My position is that he is a self serving ass, but that his actions in the ring Saturday did not add to or diminish this. He is also a serious talent. I think he is a pretty clean fighter, within the ropes. He is a dick outside of them.

I do not think letting a fighter that has repeatedly tried to head butt you get their arms over yours to “hug” is a good idea. Really, Ortiz had all but sent a notarized letter saying “don’t trust me to be clean when we clinch”, so no hugging regardless. I wrote earlier the only two smart options for Floyd were to hit, or get away/make space because Ortiz may have tried for another foul (granted it probably would have netted a DQ). I believe you stated you would have shoved him away/waved him off so I would put that in the “get away” catagory, fair?

Third, I agree Ortiz was trying for a “hollow” apology. At best he was trying to coast out the rest of the round, at worst it was ruse to get Floyd out of his game.

We DO know what Tyson would have done if he was clinched and roughed up. Holyfield showed us. Tyson is the example of a “front runner” who languished in tough fights.

Finally, fuck Larry Merchant. He does his best to make me hate boxing every time he opens his mouth.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I agree with everything you said, except I have no opinion on Larry Merchant but Mayweather’s tirade seemed classless and over the top relative to the line of questioning. There is obviously a grudge there that goes deeper than that interview.

I agree wholeheartedly with your observation about Tyson, except that his “languishing in tough fights” as you put it came at a time when his skills were not peaked or, past his peak. We will never know b/c he never faced a stiff challenge in his prime, or when he trained properly (Buster Douglass). I do think Tyson was a bully, and a very insecure man - that was as easy to read as novice poker player betting Aces. And once a bully starts to have doubts, the walls crumble. Now, I don’t liken Floyd to a bully, and I think Floyd is marvelously gifted, but I’m not sure he has fortitude the likes of Ward or Gatti. However, he’s so good, we will likely never find out, or that’s a fight he won’t take.

I do think Mayfield should have shoved him away and told him to guard his fucking grill - fuck you and your apology, let’s fight. I like animosity between fighters…they can hug when it’s over.

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[quote]jre67t wrote:
Just like I said TBG, who really cared about the fight until the last few minutes where all the hoopla happened. Cheap shots, head butts, commentator asking to whip Mayweather ass’s?

Here we are still talking about that fight and what do we all want to see now? Manny and Mayweather…And your right maybe the big papers ain’t talking about it but here in Dallas we have radio stations mentioning the fight. The first time I heard them talking about boxing in a long time. And guess what it was all about the bitch shot Mayweather took. So it worked here we are still engaging about it. Now all the world wants to see mayweather on his behind.[/quote]

they’ll be done talking about it tomorrow. trust me.

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TheBodyGuard,

I agree Tyson had already peaked by Holyfield, but I think it was pretty clear he never had the skill set to handle someone who would step in on him and make him run into elbows/forearms/and a skull (Holyfield being a master of this while also getting to wear the white hat with the press). Add the fact that Tyson never developed the ability to fight backing up, conceding that he never needed to when he was being coached/trained well and it would have been anathema to his style, and I think anyone that survived long enough to foul him would have wrought havoc on his mindset/game at any point in his career.

On Mayweathers fortitude: He does have a great work ethic for fight preparation. When I think of fighters that could be pushed to break down in a fight, they usually tend to slack in training as well. I don’t think Mayweather has ever not looked prepared. He has even weathered getting rocked on the rare occasions someone could find him. As much as I would like to say he might break, because he can be so maddening when he does not have gloves on, I can’t really think of anything that could support the argument he would. Can you?

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
TheBodyGuard,

I agree Tyson had already peaked by Holyfield, but I think it was pretty clear he never had the skill set to handle someone who would step in on him and make him run into elbows/forearms/and a skull (Holyfield being a master of this while also getting to wear the white hat with the press). Add the fact that Tyson never developed the ability to fight backing up, conceding that he never needed to when he was being coached/trained well and it would have been anathema to his style, and I think anyone that survived long enough to foul him would have wrought havoc on his mindset/game at any point in his career.

On Mayweathers fortitude: He does have a great work ethic for fight preparation. When I think of fighters that could be pushed to break down in a fight, they usually tend to slack in training as well. I don’t think Mayweather has ever not looked prepared. He has even weathered getting rocked on the rare occasions someone could find him. As much as I would like to say he might break, because he can be so maddening when he does not have gloves on, I can’t really think of anything that could support the argument he would. Can you?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

No. Just his character. I know of no boxer right now that could put him in a war except maybe Manny? Not sure. I’m not sure how he’d respond. And I don’t think we’ll see it.

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[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
And what’s with the Merchant hate ? I know the guy is outspoken but mayweather was more than disrespectful.

Mayweather is a little punk /thread[/quote]

yeah i dont get all the Merchant hate either, sure it takes him a while to ask the question and he always awkwardly laughs at the end of his little ending quote but hey he’s alright with me. if not him they’ll just get some other guy to go in and ask the types of questions he puts up, just like jim grey on showtime.
for as long as it usually takes him to ask ?'s he sure popped off the 50 years younger ass kick comment rather quickly.

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PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES. I learned this in my first boxing class.

I admit my initial reaction was CHEAP or SUCKER punch by Money May.

But Irish is right… Fight was back on. Not good time for Ortiz to touch hug kiss or any homo shit.

Especially after the incredibly cheap headbutt Ortiz landed. Watch it again. Ortiz apology after that can only be FAKE.

Not sure why people hate Mayweather so much. Yes he is controversial. Maybe it’s the attitude and money. Maybe it’s his style of boxing. I hope it’s not race related.

Looking fwd to a fight with Pac Man Jones I mean Pacquiao. Not sure who I’ll be rooting for though.

Some of you take this internet fighting a bit too seriously lol.

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And I LOVE Larry Merchant. The other interviewers/commentators all sound the same.

I have some great memories of his post fight interviews. Watching PPV Boxing wouldn’t be the same without him.

Whoever talked about firing him is an idiot.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

You. You look stupid.

Clearly you can’t see why taking anything said on the internet to the real world is immature, hence why you look stupid.

My age is up in my hub, it’s not being hidden, and yet, you show the maturity of someone a hell of a lot younger than me.

Children, successful career, I’m guessing a house (possibly paid off mortgage)… and he challenges internet warriors to mortal combat. LOL.
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We obviously haven’t met, allow me to introduce myself: “I don’t give a fuck”.

I don’t know how you talk over across the pond to each other, but we don’t do that here where he’s from or where I’m from. He knows it. I know it. He aint defending it, you are. Says more about you than anyone here.

And how’s the school system over there? Not strong on reading comprehension? Mortal combat? I said I want to hear bitch with my own fucking ears. And if I hear “bitch”, you’re fucking right about one thing…I’ll get real fucking stupid. Maybe you do know me after all. [/quote]

Ya, you “don’t give a fuck” SO much that you planned on meeting someone in real life. LOL

You’re a total joke.

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[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

You. You look stupid.

Clearly you can’t see why taking anything said on the internet to the real world is immature, hence why you look stupid.

My age is up in my hub, it’s not being hidden, and yet, you show the maturity of someone a hell of a lot younger than me.

Children, successful career, I’m guessing a house (possibly paid off mortgage)… and he challenges internet warriors to mortal combat. LOL.
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We obviously haven’t met, allow me to introduce myself: “I don’t give a fuck”.

I don’t know how you talk over across the pond to each other, but we don’t do that here where he’s from or where I’m from. He knows it. I know it. He aint defending it, you are. Says more about you than anyone here.

And how’s the school system over there? Not strong on reading comprehension? Mortal combat? I said I want to hear bitch with my own fucking ears. And if I hear “bitch”, you’re fucking right about one thing…I’ll get real fucking stupid. Maybe you do know me after all. [/quote]

Ya, you “don’t give a fuck” SO much that you planned on meeting someone in real life. LOL

You’re a total joke.[/quote]

Obviously, “I don’t give a fuck” doesn’t translate to the King’s English does it?

And why do all the big mouth, big talking, disrespectful motherfuckers on this site live so fucking far away?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

You. You look stupid.

Clearly you can’t see why taking anything said on the internet to the real world is immature, hence why you look stupid.

My age is up in my hub, it’s not being hidden, and yet, you show the maturity of someone a hell of a lot younger than me.

Children, successful career, I’m guessing a house (possibly paid off mortgage)… and he challenges internet warriors to mortal combat. LOL.
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We obviously haven’t met, allow me to introduce myself: “I don’t give a fuck”.

I don’t know how you talk over across the pond to each other, but we don’t do that here where he’s from or where I’m from. He knows it. I know it. He aint defending it, you are. Says more about you than anyone here.

And how’s the school system over there? Not strong on reading comprehension? Mortal combat? I said I want to hear bitch with my own fucking ears. And if I hear “bitch”, you’re fucking right about one thing…I’ll get real fucking stupid. Maybe you do know me after all. [/quote]

Ya, you “don’t give a fuck” SO much that you planned on meeting someone in real life. LOL

You’re a total joke.[/quote]

Obviously, “I don’t give a fuck” doesn’t translate to the King’s English does it?

And why do all the big mouth, big talking, disrespectful motherfuckers on this site live so fucking far away?
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x 1000000000

LMAO

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Well thank the baby Jesus this thread got back on track.

Damn Illuminati whoever they are!

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I’m amazed that this many people still watch boxing. The last match I ever saw was the Tyson/Douglas fight. I grew up with Ali , Frazier,Leonard,Duran,Foreman and such. I don’t think I can name more than three boxers.

Mma is a different animal though.

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I want you guys to seriously consider the possibility that the fight was fixed.
just look around at some of the oddities in this fight:

  1. The headbutt. Ortiz had mayweather against the ropes. Ortiz does not headbutt and had no reason to in that moment.
  2. The distraction. The Ref not looking and Victor Ortiz hugging and que-ing Mayweather to take the shot.
  3. The sucker punch. The first one was super light and Ortiz realized to get paid he had to wait for the next one. Gloves down Mayweather throws a arm only punch which magically glued Ortiz to the canvas. He is not knocked out, he is simply laying on the floor looking up at Mayweather. Doesn’t even try to get up.
    4.The aftermath. In all the confusion Mayweather looked like a kid lying about stealing a cookie after the fight. He was quick to mention a rematch. So expect that. Ortiz was happy and smiling, saying we all make mistakes. I think he was embaressed more than anything. But not for the sucker punch itself. He was ashamed for taking a dive and he knows that he lost the respect of alot of fans.

There needs to be a real governing agent to set up all the fights. Boxing needs to prevent hand picked, fixed and un-even fights do not happen. The control of the sport has to be taken away from the promoters. Ortiz got like 2 mill as a loser…probably made another mill bonus for giving up the fight

Mayweather is destroying the sport. Again boxing fans please respond and tell me that his legacy wasn’t built on easy/dodgy wins. He fought a way past his prime de la hoya after ducking him for so long and thats about it…

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[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
I want you guys to seriously consider the possibility that the fight was fixed.
just look around at some of the oddities in this fight:

  1. The headbutt. Ortiz had mayweather against the ropes. Ortiz does not headbutt and had no reason to in that moment.
  2. The distraction. The Ref not looking and Victor Ortiz hugging and que-ing Mayweather to take the shot.
  3. The sucker punch. The first one was super light and Ortiz realized to get paid he had to wait for the next one. Gloves down Mayweather throws a arm only punch which magically glued Ortiz to the canvas. He is not knocked out, he is simply laying on the floor looking up at Mayweather. Doesn’t even try to get up.
    4.The aftermath. In all the confusion Mayweather looked like a kid lying about stealing a cookie after the fight. He was quick to mention a rematch. So expect that. Ortiz was happy and smiling, saying we all make mistakes. I think he was embaressed more than anything. But not for the sucker punch itself. He was ashamed for taking a dive and he knows that he lost the respect of alot of fans.

There needs to be a real governing agent to set up all the fights. Boxing needs to prevent hand picked, fixed and un-even fights do not happen. The control of the sport has to be taken away from the promoters. Ortiz got like 2 mill as a loser…probably made another mill bonus for giving up the fight

Mayweather is destroying the sport. Again boxing fans please respond and tell me that his legacy wasn’t built on easy/dodgy wins. He fought a way past his prime de la hoya after ducking him for so long and thats about it…[/quote]

First, no one wanted to see Mayweather/Diaz I and they won’t clamor for the rematch. Your general criticism of boxing is fair and shouldn’t meet much serious resistance.

And according to FI, Mayweather walks on water and has met all comers in their prime and made all the fights the world wanted when the world wanted them. But you and I know, as well as others, that he cherry picked most of his fights and when and if he ever does fight Manny, no one will even care anymore or they will both be past their prime.

Boxing is boxing’s worst enemy. The UFC, with an inferior product, only has had to do the opposite of what boxing does to succeed, and they are.

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[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
I want you guys to seriously consider the possibility that the fight was fixed.
just look around at some of the oddities in this fight:
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I had honestly considered this to be a possibility. I’m not a big “conspiracy theorist” but the thought did cross my mind that Ortiz was taking a dive.

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I don’t think Ortiz took a dive, I think he is just a little bitch. He’s a spoilt little brat, not a fighter, and I think he has no stomach for a fight. I think Ortiz just straight up quit and was pleased not to take a pasting.

That said, Floyd didnt look busted up for a guy who took a flying headbutt in the face, and a few other headbutts during the fight. I still don’t believe it was rigged. There would be no sense in Ortiz doing that. His career was on shakey ground as it was. One good fight doesn’t erase the memory of him quitting against Maidana. I just think he had too much to loose to prearrange a loss. Maybe a rematch getting made will change my mind.

Like anything though, you can point at a number of explanations for strange outcomes, all more complicated and intricte than the simple truth that 99/100 times, it is peoples’ stupidity/cowardice/small mindedness that is at the heart of the situation. Ortiz is a little bitch, and Floyd’s a wanker. Put them together and you have a reasonable chance of controvercy and confusion.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
I don’t think Ortiz took a dive, I think he is just a little bitch. He’s a spoilt little brat, not a fighter, and I think he has no stomach for a fight. I think Ortiz just straight up quit and was pleased not to take a pasting.

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Agreed 100%. The whole drawn out apology/hug/kiss thing was not the stuff of a fighter. After the fight, okay. During the fight? Like I said, “fuck you, I fouled you…so what”…or, “my bad”, touch gloves, continue. I definitely saw a softness in Diaz that is not the stuff of a fighter.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
I don’t think Ortiz took a dive, I think he is just a little bitch. He’s a spoilt little brat, not a fighter, and I think he has no stomach for a fight. I think Ortiz just straight up quit and was pleased not to take a pasting.

That said, Floyd didnt look busted up for a guy who took a flying headbutt in the face, and a few other headbutts during the fight. I still don’t believe it was rigged. There would be no sense in Ortiz doing that. His career was on shakey ground as it was. One good fight doesn’t erase the memory of him quitting against Maidana. I just think he had too much to loose to prearrange a loss. Maybe a rematch getting made will change my mind.

Like anything though, you can point at a number of explanations for strange outcomes, all more complicated and intricte than the simple truth that 99/100 times, it is peoples’ stupidity/cowardice/small mindedness that is at the heart of the situation. Ortiz is a little bitch, and Floyd’s a wanker. Put them together and you have a reasonable chance of controvercy and confusion. [/quote]

I agree also 100% that Ortiz Quit. he has done it before and there is nothing to say he would not quit again.

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I just watched the replay, and even though I’ve thought Ortiz was a bitch for a long while, I still say Mayweather pulled a bitch move. It looked like it was going to be a pretty good fight before that.

I can’t fault Mayweather for taking his chance, but I feel like we all missed out on a good fight.