I can attest to that.
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Theres really no reason for you to try and squat the weight as quickly as possible. especially near a max attempt.
Sure be quick to do anything else, but youâre asking for serious injuries if you think being âquickâ is the end goal.
Athleticism shows itself in many forms, not including what youâre getting your feelings hurt over.
If you really want to work on speed, do what we all have been saying and knock off about 50 solid pounds worth of weight and work on the concentric portion of the squat.
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Your being nice arent you?
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Ehh slightly lol.
If he really wants to see progress he should work in the 65-80% range. Heâd be working with 160-200lbs. Not even touching 225lbs yet.
His real max Iâm guessing is like 250-260. And thatâs me generous lol
And the only reason Iâm saying this is because I went through exactly what he went through. Considering heâs young and full of potential he probably wonât even have to step back that far. I had to completely start over with 135 for two embarrassing long months. I thought I was hot shit quarter squatting 365 lol.
Iâm not trying to brag or anything, my point is that I put a belt on once Iâm over about 60% of my squat and 70% for deadlift just because I donât see any reason to wear a belt for all my warmup sets and also that the belt makes less difference (to me) for deadlift than for squat. I do all my work sets on the competition lifts with a belt, all the time. Bracing with a belt is slightly different than bracing without one and is a skill that needs to be learned and practiced. The problem that some beginners have is they just put the belt on extra tight and donât brace much if at all, assuming that the belt is going to keep their back straight without them actively doing anything.
As for belts not being raw, thatâs nonsense and the only place I see that is some clowns in the youtube comments. You donât get extra points for not wearing a belt. Yuri Belkin pulled 970 without a belt, not because he is trying to show off but because apparently he doesnât need one. Same with Konstantinovs with his 939 beltless pull. Itâs impressive because itâs a lot of weight, a world record in fact, not because they did it beltless. Raw includes a belt, knee sleeves and wrist wraps and there is also raw with wraps (for squat obviously). If youâre not wearing a squat suit/dl suit or a bench shirt then itâs raw. Otherwise where do you draw the line? Beltless, no shirt, no shoes or sock, underwear only, ATG?
And itâs not so much that a belt is âintegral to back healthâ, it just allows you to brace harder (actually activates more muscle fibres) which in turn allows you to lift more, in most cases.
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I thought otherwise. I was wrong. Thanks for clarifying that lol.
No warm-ups allowed either. Lift super raw! In all seriousness, though, good point. But just so I know Iâm interpreting this right, youâre saying a belt allows you to achieve your true potential by activating more muscle?
@chris_ottawa I watched the two vids on bracing. Just so I know I have the gist of them down, you want to sip in air agressively from your nose and mouth in the same breath, expand everything 360 degrees (from your obliques to your lumbar spine to your belly), and use your musculature before you use oxygen?
However, âuse your musculature before you use oxygenâ and âexpand everything 360 degrees while taking in nose and mouth airâ seem to be contradictory. Am I missing something?
I also just watched the stretch reflex vid. That made a lot of sense, to accelerate into the bottom of the hole. Iâm going to try it tomorrow.
Whatâs contradictory about that? Imagine walking out 700lbs. and letting your air out and totally relaxing your abs before taking a breath and bracing again. Does that not sound like a recipe for disaster? You might not be 100% braced between when you let your air out and take a final breath, but you definitely need to maintain tension the whole time and the more the better.
Hmm. Interesting example. Makes sense though. Also, I recently bought a 6" belt at my parentsâ request (6" was the only size they had). Would I be able to use this belt in a raw PL meet if I decided to compete in a year or so?
No. 4" is the max width and some feds (at least IPF affiliates) only allow certain brands. You will need to buy a different belt.
Ah, shucks. Can I get the belt clipped at a shoemaker or something? At least for now, until I get some money to buy a new belt.
Go ancient Greek.
Just you and the bar.
Probably wouldnât be very spectator friendly. I wouldnât want to be a spotter either.
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Werenât they all coated with olive oil too? That would add another challenge to the whole thing, trying to keep your grip and not let the bar slide off your back while all greased up. And before you know, the IPF will only allow certain brands of olive oil.
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You have one of those tapered belts, right? Those are of little use for powerlifting, they were originally made for weightlifting and are wide in the back to prevent back hyperextension but the narrow front doesnât give you much to push your abs against. Before I got into powerlifting I had some cheap nylon tapered belt that I wore for overhead presses and some heavier lifts, switching to a PL belt was a huge difference. I realized that the nylon belt didnât really do anything at all.
Holy shit⊠that was horrendous.
Thatâs why I didnât use my belt today. I have to save for a belt. But say I know how to properly use a belt, how much extra weight could I squeeze out of it in a competition compared to my beltless squat, DL, and press? I heard 5-15% more than my beltless max in an article from Squat University, but Iâm not sure how realistic that is.
Rogue has the 13mm on sale for Black Friday cyber Monday right now. Itâs under $100. If you wanted something youâll be proud of for 20yrs (if you donât grow out of it). Eleiko also has theirs on sale at eleiko USA. It is a thing of beauty, but I just canât justify it. Maybe if I get my lifts up and want to be a little showy at a competition. But I digressâŠ
13mm is illegal for the type of lifting I do (Olympic weightlifting), so I only switch to it for last few sets if I am wanting to make a big squat. It adds for me 5-7%⊠which at my maxes is about 25-35 pounds. Well worth the money if you are going to compete. Some powerlifting Feds are 10mm I think.
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I think you just answered my question. Are ratios from beltless-belted lifts a matter of individuality?
@jfallon9 you should considers starting a training log. Tag me if you do so I can follow. You have started some nice dialogue and we should really not steal the OPs thread, although he did tell us to F&
K off. So⊠w/e.
I started a training log a few weeks ago, Iâll tag you.