Matt Kroc Transitions to Janae Kroc

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

What’s your position on encouraging the transition of those that don’t get thorough psychological evaluations?

Would you recommend people skip these professional evaluations and just self-asses like the “gender therapist” in the previously posted video suggests?[/quote]

Official recommendation and guidelines when it comes to be is that you need to be given a thorough psych evaluation and consulting to make sure that you’re not just having some phase and actually believe you’re born into the wrong gender.

It certainly is a complicated issue.
For an individual like Matt who is absolutely huge, insanely strong and hyper masculine,I think it would be extremely hard for him to be accepted for his appearance in the wider community, when dressing like a woman/or living as a woman.
He won’t be fooling anyone that he actually looks feminine.

Heck even Bruce Jenner doesn’t look feminine no matter how much make up, implants etc he has (though more feminine than Matt would).
A male who looks more naturally feminine, doesn’t do weights, or had pubertal blockers before going on female hormones is going to have a much easier time living transgendered, in the wider community as they will be much more successful at actually appearing to have been born a woman.

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
#1. Jewbacca, although I may disagree with you and beans on many fronts, I would rather educate you as a friend, then be considered a “hater” because we do not see eye to eye.[/quote]

Whoa man, I don’t remember judging anyone for their gender issues here. Why do I need an education? I don’t give two shits what someone does to their own body. Again, whether it be to take a bunch of gear to get gorilla strong and big, or take a bunch of gear to look like a woman… I just don’t fucking care what they do.

I’ll talk about it, because it’s interesting and good philosophical practice. (As well as a good test of one’s bias and belief system). But ultimately, it doesn’t effect me, and I’m not paying for it, so whatever.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

There is no connotation in what I said about bigotry. I just expanded on what bigotry is. Condoning something isn’t being a bigot. That’s not the same thing.

What you wrote isn’t what people are talking about when they are talking about bigotry in general and in this context. [/quote]

Oh the irony. Your first two sentences are a massive contradiction. And the rest just confirms that yes, you do need more time in a dictionary and to practice thinking over feeling your way through a conversation.

Words matter. Stop attaching feeling to them (connotation) and think about them (denotation) and you’ll see what I’m saying. The best part is nothing that I’m saying is a put down, or detrimental towards the subject matter. In fact it’s purely an observation, a neutral one, but because I’m not cheerleading you FEEL like I must be against it.

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
MattyG35: sunday morning musings.
Sorry for the delay answering your question, as I do enjoy them.
Here are two links for your purusing about the XX to XY chromosome.
I hope this helps without it getting to in depth:

http://www.majickalproductions.biz/bekasite/resouces/In-Womb%20Development.htm
https://userpages.umbc.edu/~korenman/wmst/fetus.html
http://www.simplypsychology.org/gender-biology.html

I am two weeks out from 2nd semester nursing finals, thus the delay.[/quote]

Thanks, good luck on your exams

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

What’s your position on encouraging the transition of those that don’t get thorough psychological evaluations?

Would you recommend people skip these professional evaluations and just self-asses like the “gender therapist” in the previously posted video suggests?[/quote]

Official recommendation and guidelines when it comes to be is that you need to be given a thorough psych evaluation and consulting to make sure that you’re not just having some phase and actually believe you’re born into the wrong gender.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_therapy[/quote]

There’s no such thing as “sex reassignment” as you cannot change a person’s sex, so the entire field is invalid and violates the principal of “first, do no harm”.

Drugging a person with hormones and then mutilating their genitals should be an option of last resort for people who are beyond psychiatric treatment.
The fact that there is not a branch of early childhood intervention therapies tells you everything that you need to know about the validity of the field.

That being said, the number of people who suffer from gender dysphoria is incredibly small, so the level of exposure it is receiving in the media is purely politically motivated.

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Too Human:

  1. "Would you recommend people skip these professional evaluations and just self-asses like the “gender therapist” in the previously posted video suggests?

you can still “self-asses”, for those that are not “quite” sure. I knew very young though, as I am sure most of my peers did.
You still need to have professional psychiatric therapy sessions before you are allowed to have any kind of SRS (sex reassignment surgery).

Also, the “gender-therapist” that you mock, is licenced by the American Psychiatric Association.

  1. "What’s your position on encouraging the transition of those that don’t get thorough psychological evaluations?

My position is that this is a must. You absolutely cannot have reassignment surgery until cleared by a psychiatrist.
Now maybe you could go to a different country (thailand) and have it done in some back alley, would not suggest it though.
Even in Thailand you have to show and prove, and they corroberate with your medical professional if you have done any therapy.

  1. “Do you think that people with gender dysphoria generally make transition decision based on objective and thorough psychological evaluations”?

Yes. Even though most of us knew when we where in our early teens if not before.
There is a lot that goes into the conversations about our being and how we see ourselves.

An example: Lets use Roid rage. Steroids enhance the behavoir of who you are, similar to alcohol.
So if you are an asshole, “oh my god” he’s got roidrage". Not really, they are just enhancing what is there.
So I have always seen myself as female in nature. The hormone therapy only enhances that then.

If you have social problems, the change is not going to cure the underlying pathology.
You will still have social problems, if not MORE.

Point being, no matter where you go there you are.[/quote]

The problem is that your gender dysphoria wasn’t openly being discussed and addressed with therapy at a young age and i’m truly, truly sorry about that.
Of course, it’s too late when your brain is fully developed to change this kind of mental disorder, so I can only have the utmost of empathy and I definitely have no animosity towards your decision to conform to the pathology with drugs and eventual genital mutilation.

However, when it comes to “roid rage”, you are totally wrong.

Heightened rage from AAS is the natural response to elevated stress hormone levels, from abusing the dosages and/or neglecting/improperly implementing PCT.

The likelihood to be violent is more closely tied with intelligence, so if there is any correlation here, it’s more likely the fact that idiots and assholes are more likely to abuse or improperly use AAS.

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

The likelihood to be violent is more closely tied with intelligence,
[/quote]

Please expand on this statement.

[quote]mutantcolors wrote:
In a backward-ass moment of me having to play the parent to stop my mother from talking shit on Bruce Jenner’s face lift because it’s none of her fucking business, I will add this:

It’s none of your fucking business. Let people do what they do.[/quote]

Well, I am off to poison this cat that keeps sleeping underneath my house. Dumb philosophy buddy.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Kroc going the route he did in life does not have the implications that you are giving them. What he did before he transitioned is most likely a classic case of over compensation where he was desperately trying to hide from what he really had going on in his head. [/quote]

Have you read anything Kroc has wrote about the situation? Because this doesn’t make sense. He states he is genderfluid. Being both masculine and feminine. Not one or the other. That’s why everyone calling him she, and chastising everyone for calling Kroc he is ludicrous.

[quote]
You say you are tolerant but then you belittle and demean him as a dude in a dress having a delusion. I think that unless you have walked a mile in someone else’s shoes you simply can’t know what they really have going on inside of them. I doubt anyone would go through what Kroc has probably gone through simply over a fetish.[/quote]

So for a psychologist or psychiatrist to diagnose someone they have to be that illness, as well?

[quote]Will207 wrote:
Mama raised a damn fool. [/quote]

Carry on worrying about other peoples’ lives. No difference to me.

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Personally, I couldn’t give less of a shit what she does with her own body, whether it be take a bunch of gear to get massive gains, or a bunch of gear to grow hips and tits.

I’m only posting to point out how civil the thread has been, and express how impressed I am with the T-Nation community for not making this a shit show.

Circa 2010, this would have been a disaster thread I think. [/quote]

That’s probably why Matt Kroc chose to transition now and not in 2010.[/quote]

He’s not transitioning now.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

The likelihood to be violent is more closely tied with intelligence,
[/quote]

Please expand on this statement. [/quote]
Childhood and young adult IQ is closely correlated to adult outcomes including violent criminal behavior, stable domestic relationships, etc…

This is an probably an extension of intelligent people more likely to negotiate than to use violence.

Question for T-Nation.

Will the articles by Kroc so far still be found at Matt Kroc, Author at T NATION ?

Will you remove them, or rename the author or collection URL? Would that be hard? Do you care? Does Kroc?

Will you allow Janae Marie to contribute articles in the future?

If so, will you put them under a new heading like https://www.T-Nation.com/all-articles/authors/janae-kroc or keep them under the existing Matt one?

Since “Kroc Rows” and all that are basically just known by the abbreviated surname (now the legal surname) perhaps https://www.T-Nation.com/all-articles/authors/kroc would be a good compromise to avoid rustling too many jimmies?

Interesting choice of article titles in 2011

February The Five Tools of Mental Strength, A.K.A. Balls
April https://www.T-Nation.com/training/ballsy-approach-to-injuries

This has me wondering about Kroc’s stance on something that MtFs sometimes amputate.

Given how much Kroc values testosterone and muscle, would it be harder to part with a free source of it?

I guess you could supplement with test like older guys or FtMs do, but I wonder if insurance would cover it since in most cases it would run contrary to the usual interests of MtFs.

Also: has Kroc read the Venus Envy comic or watch the Hourou Musuko toon?


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Whatever, I am off to do some Kroc Rows. I always wanted to be a lesbian. Deep down, maybe I have always been a lesbian. I either need to hire a Gender Therapist or switch to Pendlay Rows. Now I’m confused. Maybe I’ll just bench.