[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
We do not fully understand the complex nature of the genes involved, nor how gene expression works and transfers as everyone starts as having two X (female) chromosomes which one then converts over to a Y chromosome.
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I bring this up because as a general overview, there is a larger amount of male to female (XY back to XX) transformations, then there are female to male (XX to XY) transformations. So the underlying thought is that there is a disproportionately larger amount of the “other” hormone within the base hormone that could cause the person to have the feelings that they do.
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Can you cite any references where it was observed that an X (or Y) chromosome changed into a Y (or X) chromosome?
I’ve never heard of this.
I’ve heard of people having Turnerâ??s syndrome (XO), Klinefelterâ??s syndrome (XXY), and the so-called â??supermaleâ?? (XYY.
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[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
MattyG35, I will be getting back on to this tomorrow for you, so please be patient.
This is very complex and I would like to do it well and to the best of my abilities. [/quote]
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
[quote]CLUNK wrote:
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
I find it fairly amusing how many people confidently call Kroc silly or insane - probably without ever having educated themselves on the finer details of transgender issues. This is no better than seventeen-year old Euro hippies bashing ‘America’.[/quote]
Agree. A whole lotta armchair psychologists up in here.
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Ok, a little friday morning education for everyone here.
#1. Jewbacca, although I may disagree with you and beans on many fronts, I would rather educate you as a friend, then be considered a “hater” because we do not see eye to eye.
#2. When a person seeks to transition from one gender to the other, there are many steps one must take. These include almost in order: Seeking out proper medical consultation for a period of One Year consistently with a psychiatrist trained in gender issues. Attending support groups when necessary. Having and showing one is capable of providing for self sufficiency with a full time job and or part time job and school. They are allowed to start on hormones after a period of three months into their psychological councelling with the proper supervision of the primary psychiatrist. They must dress as the gender that they identify with 24/7/365. They may not have any surgery whatsoever until their first full year is done.
Mcincinatti: It’s interesting-to the same extent you “have to accept a fantasy as true”- an atheist likely feels the same way about a person who is religious. Where I don’t follow your logic is in the “have to accept”-by your own words you don’t accept it, as you stated.
Being an atheist, I like the way you phased this. Also, I am not asking anyone to “have to accept” who or what I am. To be honest, I would actually prefer to never be noticed, nor leave a trace on the earth…anything more than necessary.
For DeStrength:
Do you feel like it is a mental disorder? What do you think about the high correlation of transexuality and having mental disorders nonrelated to transexuality?
I believe that it is a disconnect of some type within the brain, yes.
I would have to dig deeper into the correlation between differing types of mental disorders.
Why do you use such special snowflake terms as “gender fluid”, and “queer”?
I do not believe it is a “special snowflake” issue as much as a way to try to define the what, where, when, why and how of the situation for the layperson to understand. Because we just Love to try to define something and place it into that little box we call our greymatter.
I also like to OWN those words and by doing so, they cause no distress.
I am going to catch no end of shit for this, but it is similar in nature to those of African dissent calling within themselves “niggers” but find it completely Offensive (and rightly so) when some backcounty cracker calls them that.
Have you ever had suicidal thoughts because of your condition and corresponding conditions?
Yes I have. The incidence of suicide within the entire lgbtq community is magnitudes of times greater than in the general population. quite possibly the only group with a higher incidence of suicide are dentists in Seattle.
The statistics are that 65% of the lgbtq community have at one time or another has attempted to commit suicide.
When you feel that you have absolutely no one to support you, no friends to comfort you, and believe that you are the one special little snowflake with these feelings…there are times that the overwhelming sense of uugh takes you to an end.
What do you think about the fact that if you were born a few decades earlier or even earlier that in almost any part of the world you would either be killed or placed in a mental institution?
This has crossed my mind during my life. I am thankful that I was not burned for being a witch in Salem, tourtured during the spanish inquisition, fed to the lions during the Holy roman empire…et al. Gee, all the above done in the name of religion ? Go figure.
I find it fairly amusing how many people confidently call Kroc silly or insane - probably without ever having educated themselves on the finer details of transgender issues. This is no better than seventeen-year old Euro hippies bashing ‘America’.
And that is the basic problem with most things nighthawk. People either do Not want to take the time to know, or chose to remain ignorant that something very different from their perspective of life could actually exist and thrive.
A Marine, actually.
Meaning that she, more so than Caitlyn Jenner, has earned the right to be called “brave”.
I give her the greatest respect in the world. I being what and who I am, really would prefer if we did not do the great “smack in the face”. Most of us just want to go on with our silly little lives and live as peacefully as possible.
please keep the questions coming.
Ignorance is more dangerous the Intelligence.
remember though that this is my experience, yours will differ accordingly.
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[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Working backwards this morn to catch up on the questions:
PowerPuff: " This is one of the main reasons I went into educational psych. I found some of the ideas in my field put me in a scary place, with the very real ability to do harm. It’s something that still weighs on my mind heavily".
Going back to what countingbeans had said a few pages back: Words Matter. I am gad that you are aware of that as not many people are…
Actions do speak louder than words, but words can still move mountains. When someone is in a terrible spot, what you say can have life threatening consequences.
I have been a licenced EMT since 1998 and I know how I speak to a person in distress has a Huge outcome on how that persons next 5 minutes on this planet are going to be effected.
mutantcolors: Nice to meet you ! Have not seen you on the T before. You are correct that unless it directly effects you, “It’s none of your fucking business. Let people do what they do”. I like the attitude, and again i would prefer to be left alone. BUT I would rather help to educate the masses and have an informed Intellectual conversation with someone, than to try and fight against ignorance.
Destrength: “I don’t think you had mentioned which gender you had transitioned to. (or if you have) If you have transitioned, how did the hormone therapy affect your thinking? Did it make you weepy, more emotional, more aggressive, less aggressive, change how ambitious you are, etc” ?
I am Male to Female, and as I have come to realize, you are always in a state of “transition”. It is similar to growing up/ growing older. You never stop as it is a lifelong process.
The hormone therapy is a very very interesting situation to go through.
Your hormones are basically your information relay system in the body and they control everything !
For me I had always been, am and always will be a very emotional being. Going from being testosterone laden to estrogen/progesterone laden had more emotional episodes in it than I could have imagined.
Having to pull over on the side of the road to cry for no fucking apparant reason whatsoever. Holy crap
! I seem to be less “aggressive” than before but please do not confuse that with the word Driven (to excel in the face of adversity).
My temper which before had gotten me into some “trouble” has definitely mellowed out.
My Drive though to be the best human being I can is still there. I still strive to DO my best under the bar, in my conditioning and how I conduct my daily affairs with humanity.
#2: “How was growing up trans/bi, when did you leave the closet” ?
It was Awkward at best and oh my fucking goddess horrific to say the least.
I grew up chicago Jew surrounded by very conservative religious people.
when you are told that everything about you is an Abomination to “God” it takes a toll on the psych.
It is a major reason I have no love of religion. It is a major reason for the high incidence of suicide within the Lgbtq community.
I started dressing up in womens clothes about 8th grade. So my previous post about my 8th grade experience with breasts. Interestingly my mother is 6’ tall. So I actually grew into her clothing.
And man does she still have style. I just felt so much more comfortable in womens clothing then mens. It felt more natural.
When I looked in the mirror, the reflection I saw as a women was just one of peace within me.
I came out to a former girlfriend first, and then the more women who found out the easier it was. Women for being as back stabbing and
cattie as they are and can be are also a little more accepting then the Alpha Male species. Now i am just one of the grrrls.
The guys had a very hard time with it. And I would not expect anything else., having lived on that side of life.
Testosterone is an amazing hormone. It built the pyramids, the great wall of china and the first nuclear bomb.
But remember that DaVinci, Michealangelo and Alexander the Great where all gay. so give it up to that side of the T equation.
#3. “What prevented you from trying to take your life, or have you tried before” ?
I did try on two separate occasions. Both failures (ha). Unlike most people here who have what I call a “Jesus Gene” ( self sacrifice and turn the other cheek for others), I on the other hand have a Self Determination/ Self Preservation and I will Destroy you if you hurt me Gene.
So in the case of the suicide, it was my sense of Self Preservation that kicked in.
#4. “How has your condition affected your life negatively” ?
It was really negatively effected early in the process due to my height and build. Not linebacker by any means, but 73" tall and 173#
It is not that I was trying to “pass” as a women so much as I just didnt want to be noticed. You want to blend in with the 7 billion other beings on this planet.
Also, the job prospects and aspects are very interesting. People by nature are skitterish around things that they dont understand.
So when you start a new job…or transition while being employed, it can come as a H U G E shock to those that you work with.
One day you are Jack and the next you come to work as Jill. You absolutely do Not urinate while standing ! Be courteous to your co-workers who now have to share a bathroom with someone who still has external plumbing !
You have to put up with the double-take looks, the whispers behind your back, the occasional laugh out louds by some drunk idiot etc…
"Also, to comment on what I said earlier: I think all of the non binary terms are rather weird and off putting. Anytime I hear genderfluid, or anything similar I think of some angsty 16 year old white girl on tumblr with a smug attitude. I can certainly get people being transexual, bi, and gay, but anything else is… weird in my opinion. "
Laughing the Fuck out Loud !
For the record, we (the lgbtq community) prefer the term transgender.
The reason for this is that as we have learned more in the way of psychology on this topic, there is now a recognized difference between
what we think of our gender, and what we think of our sex. I know this might seem like splitting hairs, but it is a very important differentiation between the two.
“Final question, I promise: do you consider yourself trans, or something in between since you used the term genderfluid” ?
Does’nt have to be the last question. I have devulged a lot of myself, and would again rather have an informed T-Nation that I can talk to.
I am transgender, moving from a body with masculine traits to one with feminine traits.
I still use genderfluid as I am still in a transitional state of body. I have not had bottom surgery yet.
I would have to say that sexually, I am still bi-sexual as I am attracted to both masculine and feminine traits within a certain body.
Before anyone asks: The reason I have not yet gone through bottom surgery…cost.
Overall a well done transition from Male to Female will cost roughly $40,000 to $55,000 dollars.
Is it worth it ? How much is your life worth to you ?
So the question becomes (and i do not want to sound like an ass) why would you do this ? What makes you feel this way ?
Well, when YOU look in that mirror and it reflects You, what drives you to go to the gym, use the supplements that you use…
maybe even inject the T that you do.
We tell people that they should throw away the scale because if they lose 10 pounds of fat and again 10 pounds of muscle the scale
will stay say weight X. We tell them to look into the mirror because the mirror never lies, nor does 200#.
So what is it that You see reflected in that mirror of yours that never lies . … … ?
A cool little video from a gender therapist:
[url]How Do I Know If I'm Transgender? - YouTube
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Dirk, you didn’t answer my questions.
