Matt Kroc Transitions to Janae Kroc

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

the only thing I can remember that relates to this is Dave Tate/Jim Wendler was taking shit about what people do

and one of the things he said was constantly using “lol”

said only women do that…

then he said, “I am talking to you Kroc.”[/quote]

We should have seen this coming.

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

I asked my husband if he’d still stay married to me if I decided to become a man. Unconditional love and all that. :wink:

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In b4 answer being conditional on whether you would be bottom and present other-orifice alternatives if the main tunnel were closed.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

What’s your position on encouraging the transition of those that don’t get thorough psychological evaluations?

Would you recommend people skip these professional evaluations and just self-asses like the “gender therapist” in the previously posted video suggests?[/quote]

Official recommendation and guidelines when it comes to be is that you need to be given a thorough psych evaluation and consulting to make sure that you’re not just having some phase and actually believe you’re born into the wrong gender.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_therapy[/quote]

There’s no such thing as “sex reassignment” as you cannot change a person’s sex, so the entire field is invalid and violates the principal of “first, do no harm”.

Drugging a person with hormones and then mutilating their genitals should be an option of last resort for people who are beyond psychiatric treatment.
The fact that there is not a branch of early childhood intervention therapies tells you everything that you need to know about the validity of the field.

That being said, the number of people who suffer from gender dysphoria is incredibly small, so the level of exposure it is receiving in the media is purely politically motivated.[/quote]

Where, exactly, does all that certainty and conviction that you have the answers come from? [/quote]

From being an uncle?[/quote]

Don’t get it.

And I’m an uncle, too…
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TooHuman is notorious for giving out parenting advice and preaching “facts” about best parenting practice, despite not having any children. BUT…he’s an uncle, so he’s got that going for him.

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[quote]tyciol wrote:
Interesting choice of article titles in 2011

February The Five Tools of Mental Strength, A.K.A. Balls
April https://www.T-Nation.com/training/ballsy-approach-to-injuries

This has me wondering about Kroc’s stance on something that MtFs sometimes amputate.

Given how much Kroc values testosterone and muscle, would it be harder to part with a free source of it?

I guess you could supplement with test like older guys or FtMs do, but I wonder if insurance would cover it since in most cases it would run contrary to the usual interests of MtFs.

Also: has Kroc read the Venus Envy comic or watch the Hourou Musuko toon?[/quote]

Most of these titles were tongue in cheek, as at the time Kroc only had 1 testicle due to having the other removed as a result of testicular cancer. Kroc would joke about the guy’s on Elitefts “Busting my ball”.

As for the name debate, if you listen to the recent radio interview Kroc has performed, Kroc is living life in both genders now. There are some days where Kroc wears a “Matt” nametag at work, and some days where it’s “Janae”. I would imagine that this would in turn mean that the article names remain unaffected.

Yes, I clumsily avoided using any gender pronouns in this response. I just like to lift heavy stuff, this is outside my wheelhouse. I still am a huge Kroc fan, owning 2 Kroc row t-shirts, the book, and the DVD.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

TooHuman is notorious for giving out parenting advice and preaching “facts” about best parenting practice, despite not having any children. BUT…he’s an uncle, so he’s got that going for him. [/quote]

Weak. But if he was a dentist as well, I’d believe him.

Back on topic: I don’t think I can do better than my original post in reply to the various responses to said post, so I will just stop there.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Kroc is living life in both genders now. There are some days where Kroc wears a “Matt” nametag at work, and some days where it’s “Janae”.

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What an idiot. Doesn’t Kroc know that showing up to work as Janae will result in making only 75% of what Matt makes?

If Kroc is now two people, should Kroc not have two driver’s licences or pay income tax for each of his identities? Is Matt responsible for the actions of Janae? How does this work?

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[quote]Will207 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Kroc is living life in both genders now. There are some days where Kroc wears a “Matt” nametag at work, and some days where it’s “Janae”.

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What an idiot. Doesn’t Kroc know that showing up to work as Janae will result in making only 75% of what Matt makes?

If Kroc is now two people, should Kroc not have two driver’s licences or pay income tax for each of his identities? Is Matt responsible for the actions of Janae? How does this work? [/quote]

I imagine it’s no different than having an alias. The paycheck still most likely says “Matthew Kroczaleski”.

Hell, D12 only had 6 people in it, and they made it work.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Personally, I couldn’t give less of a shit what she does with her own body, whether it be take a bunch of gear to get massive gains, or a bunch of gear to grow hips and tits.

I’m only posting to point out how civil the thread has been, and express how impressed I am with the T-Nation community for not making this a shit show.

Circa 2010, this would have been a disaster thread I think. [/quote]

This, 1,000x this!

I met Matt back in his UPA days when I competed in that Fed and he (I am using he as that’s what gender was expressed back in '07-'09) was the most down to earth, nice guy. Total badass and still just as much, if not more so now.

I hope she continues to write both about her transition as well as lifting and mental strength.

Awesome person no matter what gender.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I respect the lifting and nutrition knowledge of Kroc. Kroc is a far greater lifter (and certainly bodybuilder) than I ever was or will be. I’ve enjoyed his articles and learned from them.

I also defend Kroc’s right to believe he is a woman, to pick his name, to wear a dress, and to even go around pretending he is a woman. That’s his business not mine. I would have totally ignored his situation but for his making things public. That’s “tolerance.”

I, however, reject, as matter of both science and faith, that he is anything but an amazingly huge man in a dress.

Yes, biology and sex is sometimes a spectrum, but Kroc was not a hermaphrodite dancing on the grey edge. Kroc is a dude. An impressive dude, in fact.

What he has are mental problems and/or kinks where he likes to wear dresses and pretend he is a lesbian.

This is not intolerant, nor “homophobic” (the dumbest word I’ve ever heard), nor any of the other stupid phrases used to shut down intelligent conversation.

He’s a dude. In a dress.

I tolerate his choice. I am certainly not going to try to stop him (or any other dude that wants to wear a dress). To the contrary, I defend his right to make such a silly choice.

What is intolerant and “phobic” are those who are afraid of the decisions of liked-minded people as myself, who can see this nonsense for a silly choice and whose decisions rest on basic biology and 4,000 years of Judaeo-Christian teachings.

Inevitably, we will be shouted down, called names, and well, not “tolerated” for daring to hold un-PC beliefs.

The Tolerance Movement," if it was a real movement, would leave people alone (e.g., the poor Christian wedding couple who are being persecuted for their religious beliefs in the USA), just as we leave others alone.
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Bingo. You just said everything I was thinking and probably in a more thoughtful and articulate manner.

The Krocs and the Jenners and the rest of the weirdos (yep, they are weirdos, not heroes) don’t give me near as much consternation as their applauders. Their applauders, typically, are the ones who insist on being intolerant of my intolerance…for weirdos. A bunch of fuckin’ cheerleaders – those are the ones who cluck, cluck, cluck – busybody hens who want to mold everyone into their pretty lil progressive clan of diversity boosters.
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You just applauded someone who would consider yourself and your lifestyle choices a “weirdo” or do we not speak of the Sex and the Male Animal forum posts any more?

I find swinging as odd as a male transitioning to a female but I fully support your right and decision to do what makes you and your wife happy. I’m certainly not calling you a weirdo over it.

Oops sorry, I mean cluck cluck cluck

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[quote]CrewPierce wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I respect the lifting and nutrition knowledge of Kroc. Kroc is a far greater lifter (and certainly bodybuilder) than I ever was or will be. I’ve enjoyed his articles and learned from them.

I also defend Kroc’s right to believe he is a woman, to pick his name, to wear a dress, and to even go around pretending he is a woman. That’s his business not mine. I would have totally ignored his situation but for his making things public. That’s “tolerance.”

I, however, reject, as matter of both science and faith, that he is anything but an amazingly huge man in a dress.

Yes, biology and sex is sometimes a spectrum, but Kroc was not a hermaphrodite dancing on the grey edge. Kroc is a dude. An impressive dude, in fact.

What he has are mental problems and/or kinks where he likes to wear dresses and pretend he is a lesbian.

This is not intolerant, nor “homophobic” (the dumbest word I’ve ever heard), nor any of the other stupid phrases used to shut down intelligent conversation.

He’s a dude. In a dress.

I tolerate his choice. I am certainly not going to try to stop him (or any other dude that wants to wear a dress). To the contrary, I defend his right to make such a silly choice.

What is intolerant and “phobic” are those who are afraid of the decisions of liked-minded people as myself, who can see this nonsense for a silly choice and whose decisions rest on basic biology and 4,000 years of Judaeo-Christian teachings.

Inevitably, we will be shouted down, called names, and well, not “tolerated” for daring to hold un-PC beliefs.

The Tolerance Movement," if it was a real movement, would leave people alone (e.g., the poor Christian wedding couple who are being persecuted for their religious beliefs in the USA), just as we leave others alone.
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Bingo. You just said everything I was thinking and probably in a more thoughtful and articulate manner.

The Krocs and the Jenners and the rest of the weirdos (yep, they are weirdos, not heroes) don’t give me near as much consternation as their applauders. Their applauders, typically, are the ones who insist on being intolerant of my intolerance…for weirdos. A bunch of fuckin’ cheerleaders – those are the ones who cluck, cluck, cluck – busybody hens who want to mold everyone into their pretty lil progressive clan of diversity boosters.
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You just applauded someone who would consider yourself and your lifestyle choices a “weirdo” or do we not speak of the Sex and the Male Animal forum posts any more?

I find swinging as odd as a male transitioning to a female but I fully support your right and decision to do what makes you and your wife happy. I’m certainly not calling you a weirdo over it.

Oops sorry, I mean cluck cluck cluck[/quote]

True, JB does not approve of adultery.

And, yes, he’s an asshole about it. Ask me how I know.

But I remain greatly amused at how “liberals” demand religiously conservative people conform to what passes for liberal morals.

Diversity and tolerance for all things, except no tolerance for those with stricter moral codes. So what if those religious freaks don’t interfere — they don’t approve! And they voice dissent when asked!

Those religious freaks must be silenced! They have committed a though crime!

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Well, just to be a bit contrarian, I could post how these confused times lead to an incredible amount of lost people and how indulging them is most likely not even in their own interest but then I remember that I dont give a fuck.

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Top Ten Reasons Why Kroc and Dirk Should Move to My Street

We could commiserate about being flat chested when we were in 8th grade, and 10th grade, and when we were 40.

Not one but TWO chicks to lift with me. The downside is I wouldn’t be the toughest chick on the block anymore, but I think I could live with that.

If girl’s night took us into a shady neighborhood, I’d still feel pretty safe walking to the car.

I might even be able to get one of them to take ballet classes with me which would be AWESOME.

Kroc could protect the cul de sac from terrorist invasion, which is always good. One less thing to worry about.

I wish I could have men friends, but my husband would never be OK with me having Kroc as a BFF, unless his name was Jenae and then he might be cool with it.

Dirk would be good in the event of medical emergency. My daughter wants a skateboard, so I figure the next ER visit is just around the corner. Also, he likes to hike.

Help moving the entertainment unit around. I’m not sure about other interior design help. Gay men are usually good at it, but lesbians generally have horrible taste. In my experience, these are stereotypes for a reason. I’m guessing that a couple of powerlifting lesbians might not be so good at helping me pick out lamps for the living room. Oh well, you can’t have everything.

We had a lesbian couple across the street who carried their cat around in a Baby Bjorn. I can only assume all lesbians do this, and I’d pay to see either Kroc or Dirk with a cat attached to their chest. BTW, the cat owners were WAY nicer people than the heterosexual couple who complain anytime a trash can is an inch too close to their driveway.

That Kroc has some mad makeup skills so he could probably teach me a thing or two. Sophora is a very confusing place, so that would be cool. And he might want to split a side of beef us now and then.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Top Ten Reasons Why Kroc and Dirk Should Move to My Street

We could commiserate about being flat chested when we were in 8th grade, and 10th grade, and when we were 40.

Not one but TWO chicks to lift with me. The downside is I wouldn’t be the toughest chick on the block anymore, but I think I could live with that.

If girl’s night took us into a shady neighborhood, I’d still feel pretty safe walking to the car.

I might even be able to get one of them to take ballet classes with me which would be AWESOME.

Kroc could protect the cul de sac from terrorist invasion, which is always good. One less thing to worry about.

I wish I could have men friends, but my husband would never be OK with me having Kroc as a BFF, unless his name was Jenae and then he might be cool with it.

Dirk would be good in the event of medical emergency. My daughter wants a skateboard, so I figure the next ER visit is just around the corner. Also, he likes to hike.

Help moving the entertainment unit around. I’m not sure about other interior design help. Gay men are usually good at it, but lesbians generally have horrible taste. In my experience, these are stereotypes for a reason. I’m guessing that a couple of powerlifting lesbians might not be so good at helping me pick out lamps for the living room. Oh well, you can’t have everything.

We had a lesbian couple across the street who carried their cat around in a Baby Bjorn. I can only assume all lesbians do this, and I’d pay to see either Kroc or Dirk with a cat attached to their chest. BTW, the cat owners were WAY nicer people than the heterosexual couple who complain anytime a trash can is an inch too close to their driveway.

That Kroc has some mad makeup skills so he could probably teach me a thing or two. Sophora is a very confusing place, so that would be cool. And he might want to split a side of beef us now and then.
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HAH! Golden!

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PowerPuff:

#1. “We could commiserate about being flat chested when we were in 8th grade, and 10th grade, and when we were 40”
Hoping one day to fill out to a good “C”. otherwise, yeah…pretty friggin flat chested.

#2. “Not one but TWO chicks to lift with me. The downside is I wouldn’t be the toughest chick on the block anymore, but I think I could live with that.”
You may not be the toughet chick on the block anymore, but at the same time 3 wicked witches of the west could put the hurt on the weights !

#3. "If girl’s night took us into a shady neighborhood, I’d still feel pretty safe walking to the car. "
Other than having an Abrams Tank or mariusz pudzianowski, I think Janae Marie would be our best bet !

#4. “I might even be able to get one of them to take ballet classes with me which would be AWESOME.”
Would Love to, pm me ! Next time I am in the southland we will go !

#5. "Dirk would be good in the event of medical emergency. My daughter wants a skateboard, so I figure the next ER visit is just around the corner. Also, he likes to hike. "
And Backpack, Cycle, Rock climb… basically I can be a dirty grrrl !

#6.“Help moving the entertainment unit around. I’m not sure about other interior design help.”
Actually I am very good with feng shui.

Makeup, yes please. M.A.C if possible.

Beef ? Yes please !

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

True, JB does not approve of adultery.

And, yes, he’s an asshole about it. Ask me how I know.

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I actually thought about you when I was responding to him.

It feels to me like the same utter conviction that he knows what is unquestionably “right” appears in both instances.

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Yeah, I changed my mind on that.

I think JB is pretty sure what the rules in a conservative Jewish community are and I think he is willing to go out of his way to prevent it going the way of mainstream society.

We need not less of such men but way more.

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[quote]CLUNK wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Top Ten Reasons Why Kroc and Dirk Should Move to My Street

We could commiserate about being flat chested when we were in 8th grade, and 10th grade, and when we were 40.

Not one but TWO chicks to lift with me. The downside is I wouldn’t be the toughest chick on the block anymore, but I think I could live with that.

If girl’s night took us into a shady neighborhood, I’d still feel pretty safe walking to the car.

I might even be able to get one of them to take ballet classes with me which would be AWESOME.

Kroc could protect the cul de sac from terrorist invasion, which is always good. One less thing to worry about.

I wish I could have men friends, but my husband would never be OK with me having Kroc as a BFF, unless his name was Jenae and then he might be cool with it.

Dirk would be good in the event of medical emergency. My daughter wants a skateboard, so I figure the next ER visit is just around the corner. Also, he likes to hike.

Help moving the entertainment unit around. I’m not sure about other interior design help. Gay men are usually good at it, but lesbians generally have horrible taste. In my experience, these are stereotypes for a reason. I’m guessing that a couple of powerlifting lesbians might not be so good at helping me pick out lamps for the living room. Oh well, you can’t have everything.

We had a lesbian couple across the street who carried their cat around in a Baby Bjorn. I can only assume all lesbians do this, and I’d pay to see either Kroc or Dirk with a cat attached to their chest. BTW, the cat owners were WAY nicer people than the heterosexual couple who complain anytime a trash can is an inch too close to their driveway.

That Kroc has some mad makeup skills so he could probably teach me a thing or two. Sophora is a very confusing place, so that would be cool. And he might want to split a side of beef us now and then.
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HAH! Golden!
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:slight_smile: Had to lighten this up. Hopefully that makes Dirk laugh.

Related - This is by no means an area of any expertise for me, but I came across this in a blog post recently. It’s from psychologist and writer, Martin Seligman. He writes about the 5 Layers of Sexuality in his book, “What You Can Change and What You Can’t.” I haven’t read the book, but his theory makes some sense to me, in the way it separates out the different parts of our sexual experience.

Again, this is just a THEORY, so you can decide if it makes sense to you or not.

Dr. Seligman states that at the deepest, most fundamental level is the first layer of sexuality: your (1)sexual identity. This identity is where one feels either maleness or femaleness as their experience of gender. The next layer up is ones (2)sexual orientation, meaning whether you are sexually attracted to males, females, etc. Next is ones (3)sexual preference, which refers to what can be arousing to the individual which parts of the body, what images, and what situations are arousing. Layer four is ones (4)sex role, meaning whether the daily tasks the person performs are culturally associated with being more “male” or more “female” (truck driver, nurse, etc.) And the last layer is (5)sexual performance which can implicate a medical or emotional issue that can sometimes be blocking a person from fully enjoying sex…

“…I have ordered your erotic life into five layers for one basic purpose. to answer the questions of what changes and how easily it changes. Lack of change, I believe, corresponds to depth; the deeper the layer, the harder it is to change. My theory of sex is that transsexuality is a problem at the identity level and simply will not change; sexual orientation, the next deepest layer, very strongly resists change; sexual preference, once acquired, is strong, but some change can be wrought; sex role can change quite a bit, but change is by no means as easy as feminist ideologues contend, nor as difficult as antifeminists would like; correcting sexual performance is painful, but because performance problems are at the surface layer, you should be very hopeful that they will change.”