push I don’t agree with anything you say but I always really enjoy reading your posts
Hey Yogi 1 and all …So I will answer these in order :
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I am still pre op. The cost for Facial Feminization surgery, breast augmentation and vagioplasty , along with electrolysis in this country runs about $45000.00 to $60,000.
So it is very expensive. Also, many many male to female will not have “bottom” surgery. -
Yes. Since the age of 9 and really as puberty hit I have felt like I was born with the wrong hormone profile and reproductive organs. Not that i ever wanted kids, never did and still dont.
Just that in female form I feel much more comfortable in my own skin. -
Have not had the proceedure yet, but for the record I am in my late 40’s.
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Phenominal Support from my Family. This is the best and greatest outcome anyone in the LGBTQ community could hope for. I had to go through the whole history, but it was worth it.
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No. It would have been much harder to transition back in my late teens/early twenties due to the socio-political climate of the time. For kids now, it is much more accepted than it was in the 80’s when i was their age.
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Again, have not had it. But very comfortable in feminine form.
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Ok, here is where i must be Very Very Clear. Think of it this way:
Your Sexuality is who you want to go to bed with …
Your Gender is who you want to Wake Up As.
Just because a person is transgender does not make them instantly homosexual.
That said, I have had beautiful passionate sex with sweet women and one very hot
olympic gymnast (and HE was yummy)(kissed like a Slobbering St Bernard though, which killed the relationship).
I am attracted to ANYONE whom keeps their body in the best possible shape. I do find that gymnasts and 5/10K runners have a most desirable body build though.
Sexuality was not as much of a factor if at all, in all of this.
Being in the correct gender was the driving force.
Will i miss my penis ? Probably when I am out in nature and have to urinate, then yes.
Otherwise, it just has never felt like it was a proper part of me.
Feel free to keep the questions coming !
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I was trying to say that of course you don’t have to like it, or agree with all of it, but it is what it is. The APA has declassified TG as a mental illness. I can’t see it ever changing paths in our lifetime.
@ pragamatic solutions - everybody. I’ve already said it multiple times here, but the NC birth certificate law is a mistake. Trump even says so, Push. Ha!! I’m not a Trump supporter, but I might agree with him on this one issue. I think I’m likely much more socially liberal than you are, Push. We’d have to see where we line up on all the issues.
@ Is digging in on certain topics a negative trait? Not if you can not be crazy about it, but when it’s a lost battle as I think this is, then it’s kinda futile. It’s like still carrying on about being against same-sex marriage after the Supreme Court has spoken. Not much point. Also, I meant it when I said on and individual level, the answer is always to be kind. I may not agree with our current immigration policy, but I have many friends who’s families at one time entered the US illegally from Mexico. I can still be kind to them, no? And be concerned with pragmatic solutions to the problem?
@ flexible on everything. No, but since I do a lot of ballet work, my ROM is better than most!! My views sometimes evolve as I listen to an argument, Push. I never entered the discussion thinking that I had the problem of restrooms solved. I said I was less concerned about keeping TG people out, and more concerned with how we keep out all the men. What ED said about some of that makes a lot of sense to me. I said that I had enjoyed trying to figure out what I’d do, because I could see problems on both extremes. My religious faith, and religious culture is probably more similar to Jewbacca’s in some ways so I find myself sometimes weighing that too when I think about issues like this.
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No, it does not contribute to the “danger! danger!” argument for me to state that as far as I’m concerned there is no discernable increase in threat if the change becomes widespread. The threat is already ever-present. Perhaps our emotional energies would be better spent raging over the minimal sentences most creeps are given, if the people they victimize are even willing to face the legal ordeal required to prosecute. I think the average sentence for convicted child molesters is four years. I wonder what adults who exhibit themselves to teenagers get? I’m going to guess probation for most of them, if anyone reports it, which may or may not happen. When it happened to me, I didn’t tell because I knew people would be upset. I probably worried that it would be at me. And let’s face it, it might have been.
Which leads me to wonder how many females have experienced unwanted ehibitionism. I would guess a large percentage.
I think this is an excellent analogy, personally.
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Reactionaries said the exact same things when:
–Slavery was abolished
–Women got the suffrage
–Brown v Board of Education overturned Plessy v Ferguson
–Virginia v Loving struck down anti-miscegenation laws
Hardly. And as I pointed out before, the net result of this law will be that the slightly masculine-appearing trans-women in NC’s Women’s restrooms will be replaced with very masculine-appearing trans-men. I highly doubt the good women of NC will be comfortable with the new status quo. It may turn out to be a classic example of the law of unintended consequences.
Edited to correct an error pointed out by Push
Push, I just don’t feel inclined to keep going on this topic. Or to but and rebut forever.
We don’t have to wonder what Jewbacca thinks about TG. He’s weighed in on this thread already. He and Chushin went a few rounds on this. I made a comment about people of faith. I realize this is a long thread, but he talked back and forth with Dirk quite a bit somewhere much earlier. Both Dirk and JB made some pretty lengthy posts, not about bathrooms, but about most of the other issues.
Yes, it is always so easy to see through the retrospectoscope. (H/T ActivitiesGuy.) However, at the time these decisions/events took place, a great many people reacted very strongly against them, just as you are reacting very strongly against the notion of transgenderism as a normal variant of the human condition. So:
At the time of the Emancipation Proclamation, blacks were widely considered an inferior race. (It is what it is.)
At the time women received the suffrage, they were widely considered too emotional and unintelligent to be allowed to vote. (It was simple and fair the way we did it for centuries.)
At the time of Brown v Board of Education, ‘separate but equal’ was considered by many to be a reasonable and pragmatic approach to race relations. (Why do so many feel the itch to agitate?)
At the time of Virginia v Loving, miscegenation was considered by many to be an unnatural act. (So unnecessary that it doesn’t just border on ludicrous – it is ludicrous.)
And now, at the time of the Charlotte law acknowledging the rights of transgendered individuals to use the restroom consonant with their true gender, transgenderism is considered by many to be ‘abnormal.’
Sound familiar?
Edited for clarity
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