[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I don’t think anyone disagrees that Kroc is a stud and would read everything he wrote about lifting. I’d listen to Bruce Jenner about track & field, too.
But both are completely deluded men wearing dresses.[/quote]
But you’re still viewing them from the confines of your own perspective.
When KillerDIRK earlier posted about seeing his middle-school aged reflection in women’s clothing, and how that felt more right, and being more at peace… now THAT sounds much more like the proper context from which to view their motivations.
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No, we are viewing them from the confines of reality.
[quote]Alpha wrote:
If a female can make me stronger, then I’ll listen to them.
If a male can make me stronger, than I’ll listen to them.
If a Transgender can make me stronger, then I’ll listen to them.
I don’t need to get strength advice from a man, i guess I’ve got to get it from a woman. i don’t agree with this oprah bulshit, but if matt wants to be a woman, than I’m all ears…
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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I don’t think anyone disagrees that Kroc is a stud and would read everything he wrote about lifting. I’d listen to Bruce Jenner about track & field, too.
But both are completely deluded men wearing dresses.[/quote]
But you’re still viewing them from the confines of your own perspective.
When KillerDIRK earlier posted about seeing his middle-school aged reflection in women’s clothing, and how that felt more right, and being more at peace… now THAT sounds much more like the proper context from which to view their motivations.
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No, we are viewing them from the confines of reality.
And again, no ones cares if they play dress up.[/quote]
And perhaps the “traditional” boundaries of reality simply do not account for all the biological variation within our species? Certainly wouldn’t be the first time we’ve had to expand our theories to accommodate additional evidence.
(note: I do assume a biological/genetic basis for gender identification, just as I assume for sexual orientation)
Regarding those taking issue with referring to Matt as he or she: if I recall, in an interview, Matt stated that whether he identifies as Janae or Matt and whether he dresses gender accordingly, he depends on his mood of the day, and his place of work has two respective name tags for him.
So one day Kroczaleski is a he and another a she, and shall be referred to accordingly?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Regarding those taking issue with referring to Matt as he or she: if I recall, in an interview, Matt stated that whether he identifies as Janae or Matt and whether he dresses gender accordingly, he depends on his mood of the day, and his place of work has two respective name tags for him.
So one day Kroczaleski is a he and another a she, and shall be referred to accordingly?
Interesting. [/quote]
I mentioned this several pages back. It seemed like it was ignored because it did nothing to foster further debate.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Regarding those taking issue with referring to Matt as he or she: if I recall, in an interview, Matt stated that whether he identifies as Janae or Matt and whether he dresses gender accordingly, he depends on his mood of the day, and his place of work has two respective name tags for him.
So one day Kroczaleski is a he and another a she, and shall be referred to accordingly?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Regarding those taking issue with referring to Matt as he or she: if I recall, in an interview, Matt stated that whether he identifies as Janae or Matt and whether he dresses gender accordingly, he depends on his mood of the day, and his place of work has two respective name tags for him.
So one day Kroczaleski is a he and another a she, and shall be referred to accordingly?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Regarding those taking issue with referring to Matt as he or she: if I recall, in an interview, Matt stated that whether he identifies as Janae or Matt and whether he dresses gender accordingly, he depends on his mood of the day, and his place of work has two respective name tags for him.
So one day Kroczaleski is a he and another a she, and shall be referred to accordingly?
Interesting. [/quote]
So gender is now a mood?
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Apparently race goes by feeling too, as we’ve seen from another example. One can now be someone they are not, which is inherently impossible according to Mother Nature. (Does that sentence in itself make sense?)
Maybe as a Jew, I can now declare myself as an Anglo-Saxon because I have an English first name and a German last name…
It is a sound and fury that signifies nothing.[/quote]
I meant “traditional reality” in how we commonly delineate between male and female gender identity. (which of course works just fine for the vast, vast majority)
And subsequently broadening that framework of how we characterize gender identity to account for that minority that doesn’t fit so cleanly into our strictly delineated model.
Is it safe to assume such, and if so, would it also be safe to assume the opposite?
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Well, it is an assumption based on evidence. Stuff like observed homosexuality (in roughly similar proportion, no less) in other highly social species, that rugby player’s brain injury and that identical twin story from 60 Minutes. (links below)
All taken together, it does seem that genetic/neural hardwiring indeed forms the basis for the “identity” that we ultimately enact.
Is it safe to assume such, and if so, would it also be safe to assume the opposite?
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Well, it is an assumption based on evidence. Stuff like observed homosexuality (in roughly similar proportion, no less) in other highly social species, that rugby player’s brain injury and that identical twin story from 60 Minutes. (links below)
All taken together, it does seem that genetic/neural hardwiring indeed forms the basis for the “identity” that we ultimately enact.
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Same can be said for alcoholism, it doesn’t change the reality that it’s bad for you and I won’t encourage someone to live out that genetic predisposition.
It is a sound and fury that signifies nothing.[/quote]
I meant “traditional reality” in how we commonly delineate between male and female gender identity. (which of course works just fine for the vast, vast majority)
And subsequently broadening that framework of how we characterize gender identity to account for that minority that doesn’t fit so cleanly into our strictly delineated model.
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I do not think that word mean what we think it means.
It doesn’t matter how hard a guy believes he’s Napoleon, reality doesn’t change. There is no re-evaluating our perception of what it means to be Napoleon. Reality is and always will say that he isn’t. That’s the nature of reality.
It is a sound and fury that signifies nothing.[/quote]
I meant “traditional reality” in how we commonly delineate between male and female gender identity. (which of course works just fine for the vast, vast majority)
And subsequently broadening that framework of how we characterize gender identity to account for that minority that doesn’t fit so cleanly into our strictly delineated model.
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Broadening the framework and the model based on what evidence. All the evidence points to psychosis.
Maybe as a Jew, I can now declare myself as an Anglo-Saxon because I have an English first name and a German last name…
You know, because I feel like it.
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It seems like the trend is to become Jewish here, Brick. You should probably just be that. Unless you want to be a Jewess, then you should probably talk to Dirk. On second thought, I think he went from being a Jewish boy to becoming an Atheist woman, so he might not be able to help with the Jewess transition either.
BTW, I have a Hebrew first name that was quite popular in the UK a few years ago. And I like men with facial hair, which probably means I’m not only Jewish but Orthodox. I once had a crush on a gay man which is the closest I’ve ever been to going gay, but who can be sure? This is so confusing.