Mass Programs/Results

[quote]Cgunz wrote:

We’ll see about the slow and steady bulk. As long as my strength keeps increasing, I’ll keep doing it. If I stop getting bigger, but keep getting stronger, I’ll just rock my weight class at the next meet.[/quote]

Ya. I’d be interested to see if you are able to do the slow steady method for 6 months and put on 20+ lbs.

My current way of going about it is to “dirty bulk” to gain a bunch of weight, and then “less dirty bulk” to maintain as much of that weight as possible and recomp while continuing to increase strength. Not exactly sure if it will work, but my weight is staying the same, and im getting bigger and stronger, so we’ll see how it works out in the long run. I peaked at about 218-220 and am now maintaining 210-215 pretty easily. After a while, i’ll probably do a small cut to get a bit leaner, and then shoot for 230+ if I feel more weight is necessary.

I think there ARE people that can do the slow bulk, but they aren’t the people that typically had trouble gaining weight in the first place. These are the people that are predisposed to being overweight, and can pretty much just reduce their cardio a bit and start putting on weight.

[quote]dankid wrote:

[quote]Cgunz wrote:

We’ll see about the slow and steady bulk. As long as my strength keeps increasing, I’ll keep doing it. If I stop getting bigger, but keep getting stronger, I’ll just rock my weight class at the next meet.[/quote]

Ya. I’d be interested to see if you are able to do the slow steady method for 6 months and put on 20+ lbs.

My current way of going about it is to “dirty bulk” to gain a bunch of weight, and then “less dirty bulk” to maintain as much of that weight as possible and recomp while continuing to increase strength. Not exactly sure if it will work, but my weight is staying the same, and im getting bigger and stronger, so we’ll see how it works out in the long run. I peaked at about 218-220 and am now maintaining 210-215 pretty easily. After a while, i’ll probably do a small cut to get a bit leaner, and then shoot for 230+ if I feel more weight is necessary.

I think there ARE people that can do the slow bulk, but they aren’t the people that typically had trouble gaining weight in the first place. These are the people that are predisposed to being overweight, and can pretty much just reduce their cardio a bit and start putting on weight.[/quote]
This is me. I am 215 @ 5’7’’ and I gained at least half my muscle while trying to cut or maintain. But I started out obese and I think most bodybuilders start out skinny, so this type of success puts me in the minority. Plus I think most ENDO’s get frusterated with bodyfat and become powerlifter:-). More power to those guys and you skinny guys, but you make a gaood point. Adirty bulk for me ends in about three weeks when I get “Drop Fat” even though I started out with abs!

Went from 170 to 190 while I did this program half assed because it was so hard. Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Went from 170 to 190 while I did this program half assed because it was so hard. Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION [/quote]

That’s an awesome gain, and that program looks insane. How many cycles of that did you do to gain 20 lbs?

Not sure why that turned out all grey…

[quote]pete3940 wrote:

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Went from 170 to 190 while I did this program half assed because it was so hard. Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION [/quote]

That’s an awesome gain, and that program looks insane. How many cycles of that did you do to gain 20 lbs?[/quote]
I only did 1 cycle but I was barely at 190 when I played football in HS, from inactivity I went down to 170, When I did this program I really had to eat and after it I broke past the 190 barrier leaner then I was in football. Its very hard to over train when one is weak and a beginner like I was and found out that my lifts kept going up throughout the 2 week cycle. What limits ones gains mostly is nutrition when I found out my protein intake was terrible in High school not even getting the bare 1 gram per pound of body weight.

Programs are not important unless you post your program, then it becomes important and you will get reamed.

Everyone I know that started at 140 lbs and did a variety of lifts to failure every other day, and ate lots of food, drank protein shakes, plenty of water, took a multi vitamin and slept fairly well weighed 230 lbs in 5 years. They all then dieted down to single digits in 12 weeks and weighed 195 ripped. Every one of them.

[quote]Level 0 wrote:
Programs are not important unless you post your program, then it becomes important and you will get reamed.

Everyone I know that started at 140 lbs and did a variety of lifts to failure every other day, and ate lots of food, drank protein shakes, plenty of water, took a multi vitamin and slept fairly well weighed 230 lbs in 5 years. They all then dieted down to single digits in 12 weeks and weighed 195 ripped. Every one of them.[/quote]

^^^^^^^
This

I think the biggest problem people have is eating [i]enough[/i]… Then you have the psychological factor of not being able to “see their abs” when they start effective bulking so they think they’re doing something wrong and they go back to calorie deficit…

Essential Waterbury with compound lifts and tons of food took me from 165 to 220lbs.

Lifting consistently, and eating when I don’t feel like it. That is my secret, and I am no one special.

[quote]dankid wrote:

[quote]Cgunz wrote:
While I agree with much of the above that one’s experience has limited instructional value, I do think this is an interesting question.

Years ago, I went from 138 to 205 lifting 5 days a week, doing both compound and isolation movements, going to failure on pretty much every set, and eating 5,000 pretty dirty cals a day. Naturally, I gained a lot of fat, and when I finally cut down to ~8% body fat, I was at 185. So that sucked, but still, I gained nearly 50 lbs of lean muscle, and had a lot of fun in the process (nothing like sitting down for Sunday Night Football with two boxes of mac 'n cheese).

The last two months, I have focused on 5/3/1 and eating about 500 cals above what I burn every day. So far, I’ve gained 10 lbs, I’m up 60 lbs in my dead lift, and I have gained very little fat (my waist measurement has stayed the same). I’m not a bodybuilder, but this basic program (increasing strength + moderately increasing intake) works well for packing on lean muscle and improving power. Plus, I would rather be slowly bulking (if I stay lean) forever than to bulk fast and have to cut. I hate cutting, and I especially hate lifting while cutting. But again, I’m not a bodybuilder.[/quote]

This is true, but if you would have used your current methods when you were 138lbs, you’d still probably be small and weak. Some might disagree, but I highly doubt that most people will be able to consistently gain a lot of weight with the slow and steady method. All those dirty calories during that bulk have signaled to your body that its ok to build muscle, and that there will be enough intake to maintain it. Although the “law” of thermodynamics states that +500 kcals a day should lead to +52lbs a year, it never works out this way. Your body isn’t a lab and just doesn’t recognize +500kcals a day as enough to justify laying down more muscle; in most situations.

I wonder where this “slow bulk” +500 kcals thing came from. Im guessing back in the day they just ate a ton and lifted and adjusted as they got too fat.[/quote]

So, we had this conversation a couple of weeks ago. I think it cursed me. After two months of great success with steady, slow gaining, I suddenly started LOSING weight with the same number of calories, +500 kcals. Even that increase over my BMR prior to the bulk (which I confirmed using a couple of different formulas and a breath analyzer) was now not even enough to maintain weight.

I quickly upped my intake to 4,000 kcals/day, and I’m back to a half pound every two days or so. What’s the lesson? Don’t post your success mid-bulk, it jinxes you.

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Every single program I’ve attempted or created worked. Why? Because my day revolves around eating. Eating a lot.

Protip: that’s the secret.[/quote]

I thought this was worth repeating.

And just so it’s said— "… and lifting progressively heavier weights… "