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My ratings of your choices:
Nachos (A, assuming you don’t put black olives on them)
Prime rib (C. Not really an “off diet” food)
Ice cream (A, assuming you don’t do something stupid and put nuts or raisins in it)
Popcorn (B. Really like this, but not really an “off diet” food if you make it at home)
Chips and dip (D. Really overrated. Cheese and crackers trump this choice easily)
Buffalo wings (F. Being from CA and then living in PA, I never could see the appeal of these. Nachos, onion rings, fries, nearly any other appetizer is better).
Okay, now carry on with your training log.
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Are they even nachos once you put olives on them?
It very much is when you like to flood your popcorn with butter lol
I’ll disagree with your opinion of Prime Rib on the basis that I’ll eat an 18oz prime rib and still want carbs. Also, I have a thing for eating meat off a bone (don’t ask me why, idfk), so buffalo wings are an everyday ‘yes’ from me, will agree that most other appetizers are better - they just aren’t things I’ll turn into cheat meals (obviously not talking about nachos here).
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11/1/22 - Rest (unplanned but needed)
Food
Cal: 2723
P: 223g
C: 181g
F: 120g
I was bad. Cardio should be a suitable punishment.
Have been falling behind in my personal development reading… time to get up to speed.
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What did you eat to take you over!
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I actually ate all the food i was supposed to eat, then decided to make a redneck charcuterie of Ritz, cream cheese and lowfar pepperoni… Went through a half-rail of Ritz, then made the choice to go through another.
My maintenance is at 3200cal/day so technically this was still a deficit, but i went off plan so no mercy. This is for accountability so I’m holding myself accountable.
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I usually eat super low during the day to give space for a “whatever” meal in the evening. My missus always cooks dinner so it could be anything from 500-1200cals. As long as it’s still a deficit i’m not too bothered about it 'cause i’m moving in the right direction. If i can be bothered i’d purposefully get a few extra thousand steps in or something.
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That’s 100% how I roll. 4 days out the week the mrs is cooking and I’ve no idea what she’ll actually do in terms of calories but it’s always tasty!
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We are lucky boys! I wish I had half her creativity when it comes to meal.
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Why are you eating in such a big deficit? If your maintenance is 3200 and you’ve been eating around 2000 then you are in way too much deficit. If you stall where will you go? 1500? IMO this is not sustainable, especially if you are still lifting heavy. Going back through your logs this type of dieting seems to be your downfall.
I’m in no way trying to be a jerk, i just want to understand your plan.
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Because I’m on TRT/TOT so my hormone suppression is less affected, and because I believe I can manage this.
This is a good question. I doubt I am going to stall in the next 20lbs, but it certainly is possible; I don’t know how realistic it is for me to even reach sub-200lbs frankly… this number is arbitrary but necessary for setting milestones (something I failed to do in the past, messing up the dopamine response necessary for long-term goals).
If I do stall before getting as lean as I intend to (stalling while actually following the plan I have comitted to, a deviation from past attempts), I will have to assess where I’m at when I get there. I set this goal of <200lbs knowing I am unlikely to actually attain this, so it is also likely I will stall before getting there; this is okay with me as long as I am very lean - hence why I don’t have a solid answer for you.
I appreciate you asking - accountability helps, and I have a history of being shitty at dieting.
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I do better with short blocks of bigger deficits. Longer blocks with small deficits end up with the small deficit turning into maintenance and weight remaining the same.
If I can cut 8 lbs in 3-4 weeks, then go to maintenance for a bit, that’s progress even if 3-4 lbs is water weight that comes back.
I am not good with the middle road slow cutting. I seem to do well just committing to cutting and even though it only lasts for weeks, I get better progress after a few cycles of cut, maintenance, cut, maintenance. Problem is is that often I do one cycle and just stay at maintenance.
I need to get myself to cut as the winter reduces my activity where I live to a significant degree. I am getting borderline soft, and I don’t like it. I don’t need it to get worse over holidays / winter.
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Where does he have to go?
This way of thinking is bro-ish and it doesnt work. At a certain deficit as long as diet and lifestyle remains the same he will lose 1200kcal worth of fat a day until he is at a weight that can be maintained at the kcals he eats.
So if he cuts twice as slow, he will just reach a maintenance weight in a 600kcal deficit and then will have to cut the 600kcals again. At the end of the whole process he will have lost weight twice as slow just to end up with the same deficit, only after months.
1200kcal worth of fat is, lets just round it to 2lbs a week. It means he will do this 10 weeks and maybe stall.
If he does 600kcal worth a deficit he loses 1lb a week, stall in 10 weeks, and need to cut down 600kcal more to lose another 10 in another 10 weeks. At the end, he either lost 20lbs in 10 weeks or 20lbs in 20 weeks, but he ends up with the same weight and the same deficit.
This idea of “where will you go” doesnt work. It is often also used for Pharma, like “if you start with 1g of test and 1g of tren, where will you go”. Nowhere. No one goes anywhere he will just gain the muscle these compounds and doses allows him to gain until he maxes out. Just because someone starts at half the speed it doesnt mean he will need less at the end. He will just need twice as much time.
Also, 1200kcal deficit is not even that much of a deficit for someone who has enough fat. In fact i would suggest him cutting like this or faster while he is fat and REDUCE the deficit as he gets leaner, because the leaner you get the more muscle you lose on a deficit.
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I think you should go full on DC training. The only reason I suggest that is that you always talk about it fondly so I’m assuming it will be fun and motivational for you.
I actually gained some good size on DC training before but I didn’t stick with it. Can’t remember why though. It gave good results.
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I might end up doing a lot better this way frankly. No more OHP and Deads for a bit… that wouldn’t really be that big of a deal, they wear me out before I even get to the important stuff.
More contemplating on my training ADHD and we’ll see what happens!
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11/7/22
Class today, no time for the gym.
Cal: 1970
P: 177g
C: 118g
F: 88g
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Got a finance app, going to make some changes so we can stack some racks for once. Will probably cause short term increases in stress, but will help long term.
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Need to catch up on water, feeling dehydrated AF.
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Hope you feel more settled at this programme 
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