[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
If you read the response Martin wrote, he talks about educating all of his clients.
If you would rather only people with health science degrees discuss topics on this forum, you will be very bored. Good luck with that. [/quote]
That isn’t what I wrote and it isn’t what you quoted.
What I DON’T like is that someone who is educated AND has given years of advice here gets called out by people less educated who simply read some articles. Yes, I would rather read more from people like MODOK on this forum than people who clearly are just repeating what they just read somewhere.
It is like real world formal educations are frowned upon as if an internet search is equal to it.
It isn’t about what’s boring. It is about what the truth is and very rarely is it coming from the side too enamored with the glitz of “newness” and name association to look for a more global understanding of the material in question.
This thread is now a very good example of that.
I seriously doubt most of the people who reacted like that to MODOK are actually more developed than he is.
Why is it that matters so little…you know…real world experience, results and formal education?
Mind you, this isn’t even directed at “Lean gains”. It is directed at anyone who lately acts like reading articles is all the education you need.
That is not a cry for people without that education to not post at all.
It is an attempt to get an understanding as to why people who did go to school get responses as if they did it wrong.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Cortisol is ALREADY very elevated in the morning. Fasting doesn’t elevate it, it PREVENTS cortisol from being lowered by breakfast. Cortisol is released during the overnight fast to deal with the lack of food, increase blood glucose concentration, and cope with systemic inflammation and repair. This is an undeniable medical fact.
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damnit MODOK i was so happy IFing in ignorance lol. any way i hope you dont mind a question
i IF by way of eating at night out of necessity. would something like a protein shake and a couple fish oils be enough of a breakfast to over come the negatives of fasting?
EDIT: just to note, i’ve had blood work (morning, fasted) done several times while eating this way and adrenals and fasting glucose were good). usually have my last meal right before bed then have blood drawn 8-9 hours later… idk if that would skew the blood work due to the “fast” only being 8 hours and not taking into account rate of digestion
I wake up at 7 am everyday and eat breakfast at 730. Lets say one day i oversleep and wake up 900 and eat breakfast 930. Would that be the same as waking up at 7 and fasting until 930?
I’ve heard that breakfast should be P+C to combat cortisol, but what about a P+F breakfast? I personally have more energy in the morning if i have a high protein and fat breakfast.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Yes. See the post right above this one.
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as always, much appreciated.
semi off topic but related to cortisol…
from now on i plan on having a whey shake w/ a couple fish oil within an hour of waking, say 10AM, then no shakes or food until PWO around 7PM but starting around 5 or so when i work out i start sipping on a combo of BCAA’s, citruline malate and glutamine.
does that sound OK?
EDIT: i would probably go with a casein or casein/whey powder
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Yes. See the post right above this one.
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as always, much appreciated.
semi off topic but related to cortisol…
from now on i plan on having a whey shake w/ a couple fish oil within an hour of waking, say 10AM, then no shakes or food until PWO around 7PM but starting around 5 or so when i work out i start sipping on a combo of BCAA’s, citruline malate and glutamine.
does that sound OK?
EDIT: i would probably go with a casein or casein/whey powder[/quote]
That would be what I would do. Even 100 -150 cal would do most of the trick. Just play around with it and see whats best for you.
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So Modok, do you think the whole IFing, but ‘pulsing’ with BCAA’s is a good alternative? or does there need to be an actual ingestion of calories to offset the risks you’ve discussed (concerning the issue with cortisol upon waking)?
Modok, et al, you mention that perhaps the warrior diet would be a better alternative than leangains. What are your thoughts on the modified version by Michael Keck
Ive been using leangains for a few months now with limited success, due more to the fact of still eating too many cals during the 8hr feed, than the actual principles of the diet.
