Woo woo thread. Please feel free to contribute in that thread.
Not to be a dick, but…CPAP didn’t work for me either, but let’s not spoil it for Mark. I also went with the appliance, but for a while CPAP worked, so let’s all shut the fuck up and let him see what works for him without presaging shit.
And, @Frank_C, you should just wear a purse, lol - easier to carry your nine.
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If I’m carrying a murse, then I’ll carry a bigger gun.
And if Mark needs a CPAP, I have confidence that it’ll work great for him. I have several co-workers who use them and do great. One is a lot like Mark. He’s shorter than me, very thick, and lifts heavy things. It’s funny when you can see the lines from the mask on their face when they arrive for work.
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Are you actively trying to undermine his CPAP experience?
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Thanks for taking the time to check in. Good questions.
I definitely have thought of potential costs, which is why I get stuff like blood pressure and cholesterol checked periodically. However, I’m not a powerlfiter for the health benefits. Once I’m too old and/or beat up to perform I’ll have to get lighter. My diet is ok, but far from exemplary.
I have a target, and a line I’m not prepared to cross to reach it. That line is losing my family, livelihood and freedom. If I have to put up with discomfort on the way, so be it. Having a support network like all you awesome people on here makes it that much easier.
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Woke at 258.4 lbs, looking similar to yesterday. Back is doing ok, but the sensation is still there.
Thanks to everyone weighing in. It never ceases to amaze me how supportive everyone is.
@Frank_C I’ll take lines on my face over bags under my eyes any day.
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In this episode of Mark complains, we find out that mornings is the time to feel nausea. Seems as soon as something hits the stomach lining, bam!
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you had that massage yet ?
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Guess you realize MarkKO is pretty open with his training and health. I am not sure if you have seen the whole log, About two years ago he was at 192 and ripped. Scroll back up if you haven’t.
Either way, good questions - I’ve asked the same.
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No, no massage. Not sure that it would be good for what’s going on. It isn’t a knot or anything and I have a feeling massaging could make it worse.
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@The_Myth yes mark is very open. It’s refreshing to see. I have gone back and read through his log- along with several others including yours =P
My questions were meant to be more related to mental health and physicql health in regards to his immune system. This persistent sickness concerns me. I get good full blown sick less than once a year usually. I know that diet plays a very large part in how ones body responds to pathogens. Also, I personally am against antidepressants as I have not met very many people who did not experience some sort of negative side from them.
A small note ripped does not mean healthy. At least not in my eyes. Nor do decent blood tests with values in range. They simply mean markers corrolated with known health risks are with in range. One can have a ripped body and good bloods and eat nothing but junk food and experience illness regularly as well as inflammation, tiredness, trouble sleeping and more.
Don’t get me wrong, a lot of this is my own doing.
That said, when I was lean as you said I felt shit too. I got dizzy almost every time I got up from sitting (which I don’t do now) and my overall fatigue was the same. Plus I was weak as piss.
Overall, if I’m going to feel like shit I’d rather do it while being stronger.
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Awesome response, thank you.
I’ve brought this up myself.
Glad you read my log.
Peace
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Me too, because it’s fucking with my training and work.
Best case scenario is the apnea is the main underlying cause and if it gets fixed. It sort of figures because if I’m not sleeping enough, over a long period that’s going to wear me down and it’ll come to a head. Everything will go to hell, which is kind of what’s starting to happen now.
Mentally I’m doing pretty well. My anger doesn’t flare up for no reason, which is awesome; I’m less stressed than I use to be which is also pretty good. The main hurdle is the illness and beyond funny fatigue. It’s just irritating.
Also, interestingly enough when I was lean my diet was really pretty good and I got sick probably more than I do now. Certainly not less.
With the antidepressants, I haven’t experienced any of the side effects listed for it so I’m pretty lucky.
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I don’t think you settled into maintenance once you hit that point. You changed gears to growing pretty quickly. I think you were probably feeling the effects of a long deficit which has to be a horrible environment for three immune system. I noticed I was getting dizzy during the last 10 lbs of my cut. I hadn’t experienced that in years.
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Valid point. I think I tried to maintain for three to six months, which isn’t long.
Ok, well today has been interesting. Didn’t eat until around 1530 because until around 1200 even water upset my stomach. So I’m definitely dehydrated. Oddly not hungry, which is probably just my body hedging its bets.
The morning fucking sucked. I legitimately thought I was going to hurl for a few hours, and kept breaking into a cold sweat. By the time I went to my sleep study prep appointment I felt less sick, but just fucking over it. I’ve got the doohickey to wire myself up to and I’ve shaved where it attaches so I’m good to go.
I’ll just try and get in as much fluid as I can until bedtime and hope like hell tomorrow morning is less miserable. I’ve started the antibiotics the doc prescribed earlier in the week too. He said to hold off to see if there was any improvement without them. I took this morning’s performance to be an indication that improvement was not forthcoming.
Didn’t train because I couldn’t be fucked to wait for the gym to open and I figured, somewhat more importantly, that having had no food and being dehydrated on top of sick with whatever the fuck this bullshit is made training a bad idea. If I feel reasonable tomorrow after work I’ll bench.
Back has been better today, except for a moment on the couch when I turned unexpectedly and it reminded me that it wasn’t quite fixed.
In the next episode of Mark complains, we find out how he enjoys a nasal cannula overnight.
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Allrighty then Mark. A lot have been covered, and I think, no I know, you know your body pretty well, so bare with me.
There are times where you just rock on and training seems to just put on strength and mental positives to you.
And then there’s times like now, were you get’s the lurgi (is that the name) you’re sleep is worse than usual, you don’t have the urge to go and hit the weights, you get a little bit injured, and even though you just hit that awesome 12 rep squat the other day you’re training isn’t as fluid as it sometimes is.
You might have figured where I’m heading, you are just plain and simply overtrained, you’ve drenched your system and your body can’t recover very well and is working overtime trying to do so.
You’ve been training very hard, and that hypertrophy phase you’ve just been doing is very taxing as well because you’re moving such heavy ass weights you’re doing, meaning that the hypertrophy phase hasn’t recovered you enough and refueled the system.
Damn I just hate to write this stuff, because I myself am very bad at deloading… oh dear, yes the cursed word.
So try this one, no workouts for the rest of the week.
Next week abandon Barbells and only do light very very light 3 x 10 rep work.
I know I’m getting into deep waters by now, but I’ll continue, you should start to implement a little bit of cardio to your training, not talking about starting to run a marathon. Maybe some prowler, some ergo rower, airdyne bike, even some running.
But as I said in the beginning, you know your body very well. This was just something I thought could be a reason.
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There are many good points raised here @mortdk thanks for taking the time to put them all down and make me think.
Needing a deload, well, here’s the kicker. I deloaded last week. Proper deload too. The two weeks leading up to that I trained twice. So that’s a volume deload, and both times I left out deadlifts which do beat me up more than anything else. Hell, I haven’t deadllifted at all in about a month. So it’s not like I didn’t deload. My volume has been way down and the intensity was low too. Don’t get me wrong, if I hadn’t deloaded I’d say you’re bang on the money. The other thing is that I know how I feel when training fatigue starts to add up. Shit aches way more, shit moves slow as hell and I miss reps. That’s me needing to deload. This feels like something else.
Lack of cardio? Could have an impact on recovery for sure and something for me to earmark to look into. I do move around plenty at work though. Walking, carrying, lifting, etc.
Lack of wanting to train hasn’t been the issue the last two weeks. This week I wanted to train really bad, but I didn’t because I knew it would make things worse. Last week I wanted to do more too, but didn’t to make sure I recovered. Fuck, I WANT to train, in terms of training I’m feeling pretty good.
I could be under recovered, but that’s often a deload issue so I’m pretty sure it’s not that either. The slow and steady rate of weight gain also seems like it’s pointing away from under recovery. If I’d rapidly gained weight I’d be equally concerned, because it wouldn’t be lean mass but at an average of 1.5 lbs a week or less I’m not too worried.
What I suspect has happened is this: over the last six months or so I’ve finally edged from the low 250s to the high 250s and touched 260 lbs a few times. Assuming I have apnea, this made it worse, but not to the point it was immediately noticeable especially because I’m used to being tired. So my sleep is worse. Over time this wears away at my recovery and immune system. Now, I don’t know any of this. Gradually I get more and more tired and I get sicker more easily. It’s coming into winter so I assume it’s just the seasonal flu floating around. Crap builds up in my sinuses (a month or so back it made me partially deaf, FFS) and an infection sets in, getting better or worse as it goes on without ever really going away but it definitely impacts on my apnea. So it just keeps snowballing and snowballing until this last couple of weeks where my body just goes, fuck this I’m out. Not only are my sinuses infected, the lousy pricks have drained into my gut and now that’s buggered too (that’s actually based on what my doc told me. Apparently because there’s limited sensation in the sinuses unless there’s pressure you can have an infection and have no idea it’s there. Along with kidneys and lungs sinuses turn out to be three areas that can fuck you up with infection because they can carry a large volume of infection without pain). So I’m here, wanting to train with training having been going pretty well but my body is just at a point where with the best will in the world I’m still working at a way lower capacity than I need.
What I’m hoping is in the short term I get over this infection reasonably quickly, at least to the point where my gut calms its tits and I can eat and train normally. Then in about a month I get the sleep study results back, and if they indicate I need a CPAP I get one and hopefully that kicks off long term improvements. I can imagine that actually sleeping properly will fix a lot of underlying issues.
See why I’m glad you made think @mortdk
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