[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
lixy wrote:
Forget dead Iraqi children. It’s the puppies we should be outraged about.
I feel the same way, but I don’t know how many times I’ve quoted Iraqi civilian stats and people don’t bat an eye.[/quote]
Because your lies are not “stats”. They have been debunked just about every way possible.
Where is your fucking outrage over PETA dumping cats in the dumpster?
Selective outrage like yours is the same fucking thing as lixy’s hypocrisy.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
lixy wrote:
Forget dead Iraqi children. It’s the puppies we should be outraged about.
I feel the same way, but I don’t know how many times I’ve quoted Iraqi civilian stats and people don’t bat an eye.
Because your lies are not “stats”. They have been debunked just about every way possible.
Where is your fucking outrage over PETA dumping cats in the dumpster?
Selective outrage like yours is the same fucking thing as lixy’s hypocrisy.
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I wasn’t aware that PETA is dumping cats in the dumpster, that’s atrocious though. I’ve never been a fan of PETA.
So you’re telling me there aren’t any generally accepted statistics in regards to the civilian death toll in Iraq?
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
lixy wrote:
Forget dead Iraqi children. It’s the puppies we should be outraged about.
I feel the same way, but I don’t know how many times I’ve quoted Iraqi civilian stats and people don’t bat an eye.
Because your lies are not “stats”. They have been debunked just about every way possible.
Where is your fucking outrage over PETA dumping cats in the dumpster?
Selective outrage like yours is the same fucking thing as lixy’s hypocrisy.
I wasn’t aware that PETA is dumping cats in the dumpster, that’s atrocious though. I’ve never been a fan of PETA.
So you’re telling me there aren’t any generally accepted statistics in regards to the civilian death toll in Iraq?[/quote]
Nope. You have the “we never kill anyone” crowd and the “every death in Iraq is the U.S.'s fault” crowd.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Guys, it’s a video.
Stuff like this happens all the time. Yes, people get tortured, raped and killed even when you don’t watch it on youtube.
It’s also funny that a discussion is bound to happen when it involves a dude in uniform.
You don’t have to mention anything, the uniform huggers will spring from their posts and trumpet how it’s always the military and cops who get all the slam.
Also, Lixy is right when he says he sees hypocrisy in action. What do you think soldiers (at least a healthy portion) do in a war? hint: it gets rougher then just puppies.
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It’s the gratuity of the act that pisses people off. Generally when people kill each other or animals for that matter, the act was either intentional and directed at achieving some end or accidental. In this case they were killing for the sake of killing. This wasn’t a case of rival clans battling, an act of passion, self-defense, or killing for dinner and a new pair of shoes. This was killing a trusting and non threatening creature for nothing more than a laugh.
Moreover, while people expect soldiers to kill, they expect them to only do what’s necessary for their cause, whatever it is. That’s why societies make a distinction between professional soldiers (and people fighting for a societal cause in general) and serial killers.
IOW I agree with Mikeyali 100%.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
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Marine Corporation.
Sorry, I type Corp. all day.
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No sweat. I served with this guy who immigrated from Argentina. He met this hot Hawaiian chick and they really hit it off. The problem was that she was really anti-military. She ended up finding out that he was in Weapons Company with us. One day he confessed; he did work in a company that made weapons called the Marine Corporation, but he was no way involved with those damned baby killers. That got him laid a few more times before she figured it out.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
At best he’ll be busted to Private and be ineligible for re-enlistment. At worst he’ll be dishonorably discharged. Either situation is possible.
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Nah, he’ll just get recruited by the BATFE.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
It’s Marine Corps, not Marine Corp.
Had one of my LCpl’s done that I would have kicked the shit out of him and gotten myself busted down. There is an extremely high level of professionalism I expected out of my Marines. This is unacceptable. It is also indicative of a sociopath. By not weeding guys like this out you end up with Mai Lai.
mike[/quote]
It’s My Lai, not Mai Lai.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
At best he’ll be busted to Private and be ineligible for re-enlistment. At worst he’ll be dishonorably discharged. Either situation is possible.
Nah, he’ll just get recruited by the BATFE.[/quote]
Oh, you mean these guys?
http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/firearms/enforce/lamplugh.html
mike
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
It’s Marine Corps, not Marine Corp.
Had one of my LCpl’s done that I would have kicked the shit out of him and gotten myself busted down. There is an extremely high level of professionalism I expected out of my Marines. This is unacceptable. It is also indicative of a sociopath. By not weeding guys like this out you end up with Mai Lai.
mike
It’s My Lai, not Mai Lai.
:P[/quote]
I so had that coming.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
At best he’ll be busted to Private and be ineligible for re-enlistment. At worst he’ll be dishonorably discharged. Either situation is possible.
Nah, he’ll just get recruited by the BATFE.
Oh, you mean these guys?
http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/firearms/enforce/lamplugh.html
mike[/quote]
Yup. The Bureau of Kitten-Stompers.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Who fucking cares…its a goddamn animal…and those guys are in constant danger every day. I’d probably do some stupid shit too.
If they get throw in jail for that…well fucks sake…[/quote]
Agreed. Since when did animals become people?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
Who fucking cares…its a goddamn animal…and those guys are in constant danger every day. I’d probably do some stupid shit too.
If they get throw in jail for that…well fucks sake…
Agreed. Since when did animals become people?[/quote]
About 200,000 years ago.
[quote]etaco wrote:
It’s the gratuity of the act that pisses people off. Generally when people kill each other or animals for that matter, the act was either intentional and directed at achieving some end or accidental.[/quote] In this case they were killing for the sake of killing. [quote]This wasn’t a case of rival clans battling, an act of passion, self-defense, or killing for dinner and a new pair of shoes. This was killing a trusting and non threatening creature for nothing more than a laugh.
Moreover,[/quote] while people expect soldiers to kill, they expect them to only do what’s necessary for their cause, whatever it is. [quote] That’s why societies make a distinction between professional soldiers (and people fighting for a societal cause in general) and serial killers.[/quote]
Best post in this thread, particularly the parts I highlighted.
Some of you seem to want to make this a black and white issue: either you are not offended by this or you are offended by it and, in effect, that makes you a PETA lover. This is just ridiculously ignorant.
I have never been a PETA supporter. They are just as guilty of bullshit misinformation and hypocrisy as anybody out there. But I stand by the belief that this was an atrocious act, if indeed the video is real.
Yes, I’m aware that horrible things happen to other animals and humans every day. I’m still waiting, however, for someone to give me a good explanation as to how that makes this situation any less offensive.
At least the large-scale meat slaughtering market provides some sort of purpose in the end. It is providing food for hundreds of millions of people. Do I think it’s all rosy red and that all of those cows, chickens, etc. are treated well? Hell no. There is at least some good that comes out of it in the end, however.
An act such as the one being discussed here serves absolutely no valid purpose whatsoever.
This man is a real American hero. I want to Join the Marines and be just like him.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
This man is a real American hero. I want to Join the Marines and be just like him.[/quote]
No need to join the Marines. Just find a puppy and a cliff.
It too large a leap of logic to say:
That a man TRAINED by the military BECOMES a puppy killer.
However, that man should have been put down by one of the other soldiers there.
Its a safety issue.
You can’t have crazy-puppy-killer-fucks next to you in a combat environment.
I’d be more scared of him than the enemy.
[quote]CC wrote:
Are you two actually serious? “Fucking funny”? “Who fucking cares”? Wow…
And how is a lance corporal stationed in Kaneohe, Hawaii “in constant danger every day”? And further, even if he were, how in the world would that justify something like this?[/quote]
Remember Pearl Harbor? Fool.
But yeah, no one should intentionally kill a puppy for any reason. Personally I wouldn’t even hurt a bug. Unless it bites me first.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sikkario wrote:
This man is a real American hero. I want to Join the Marines and be just like him.
No need to join the Marines. Just find a puppy and a cliff.[/quote]
Or just a cliff and jump off.
Would anyone be complaining about this if it were a cat?
I’d probably buy the guy a cigar.
MSNBC has it now, looks like these guys are in a world of hurt with the public outcry on this.