Marijuana or Alcohol

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[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I recommend cocaine…for everything. Rub it on your dick, your teeth, ram it up your nose, smoke it, sprinkle it on your cereal, mix it up with your supplements, use it as a sugar substitute in your coffee, etc etc.

In all seriousness, based on my own experiences before I got sober and entered a 12-step program a couple years ago, weed will just destroy your motivation to lift. Also, in my case it made me extremely anti-social and heavily exacerbated what was otherwise an almost dormant, miniscule tendency toward social anxiety. I could talk with women and spit some game just fine. But it was getting up the balls and the motivation to approach women at bars in the first place after I had just smoked an 1/8 to my face that was really hard. Once I was in the door I was fine, but getting that foot in the door was very hard for me.

As for alcohol, first of it is a drug, so you’ve already done a drug(s). Booze will definitely fuck up your body composition in and of itself, especially if you have a tendency to drink like I did, which is to say that I usually drank until I passed out. Actually, according to my friends, I had the uncanny ability to continue drinking WHILE passed out. I would be passed out with a beer in my hand, wake up enough to take a sip, then pass right back out again. I was known to drink at least a six-pack like this as long as my friends kept putting beer in my hand.

In regards to other drugs:

ecstasy-not my favorite drug. Just didn’t float my boat so I can’t offer much of an opinion on that

mushrooms and/or acid-again, in my case, not the best drug to take when planning on going out to a club. Too many things going on inside my head to deal with women in a way that lent itself to getting laid on a regular basis. Regular use can definitely destroy your motivation to lift, although you’ll find yourself hiking a lot more often. Perhaps an appropriate drug to use when trying to incorporate more cardio into your workouts. The effect on your body composition should be minimal, if anything

crystal meth-great for cutting weight, but not for anything else. although I will say that I’ve noticed a tendency for women to get extremely horny when smoking it. But using this drug will assuredly put you into contact with some unsavory people, women included.

heroin-never tried this one, but it can’t be anything but detrimental to your chances of getting laid. Nodding off at random times and mumbling about some pirate ship on the horizon isn’t very attractive to women

amyl nitrites-great before an attempt at a PR, especially if you don’t mind shitting yourself in the middle of a heavy set of squats.

vicodine, percoset (spelling?) and similar drugs-not good for getting laid or for body composition

cocaine-I hate to say it, but this may just be the perfect drug for you. It doesn’t carry the same negative stigma that crystal meth does, won’t put you into contact with snaggle-toothed radiation victims like crystal meth will, and it’s much easier to function as a normal member of society in the short-term. Because the immediate effect lasts much shorter than crystal, you can fully dedicate yourself to a good old-fashioned coke binge and still find time to lift. Also, women seem to view this drug with less of a negative stigma attached to it than any of the others above.
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Dang brah! that’s an excellent post right there, thanks!..As for Cocaine, no thanks…I’ve done my research. I don’t want to fuck up my life by being addicted to a drug(which according to my research is extremely addicting).[/quote]

If you think that was a ‘great post’ than you should stay far away from this thread and drugs until you’ve matured enough to learn about how this shit will actually effect you. [/quote]

mmm no, I’ll stay here. I want to educate my self as much as I can on anything I have interest in.

There’s people out there who try drugs without even knowing the name of it let alone the side effects. That post covered a lot on some of the most popular drugs so it was a GREAT POST.

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I feel bad that you think that that post actually covered side effects and wasn’t anything more than bro knowledge (not every line obviously).

https://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/drugs_1?id=2206868&pageNo=0

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I recommend cocaine…for everything. Rub it on your dick, your teeth, ram it up your nose, smoke it, sprinkle it on your cereal, mix it up with your supplements, use it as a sugar substitute in your coffee, etc etc.

In all seriousness, based on my own experiences before I got sober and entered a 12-step program a couple years ago, weed will just destroy your motivation to lift. Also, in my case it made me extremely anti-social and heavily exacerbated what was otherwise an almost dormant, miniscule tendency toward social anxiety. I could talk with women and spit some game just fine. But it was getting up the balls and the motivation to approach women at bars in the first place after I had just smoked an 1/8 to my face that was really hard. Once I was in the door I was fine, but getting that foot in the door was very hard for me.

As for alcohol, first of it is a drug, so you’ve already done a drug(s). Booze will definitely fuck up your body composition in and of itself, especially if you have a tendency to drink like I did, which is to say that I usually drank until I passed out. Actually, according to my friends, I had the uncanny ability to continue drinking WHILE passed out. I would be passed out with a beer in my hand, wake up enough to take a sip, then pass right back out again. I was known to drink at least a six-pack like this as long as my friends kept putting beer in my hand.

In regards to other drugs:

ecstasy-not my favorite drug. Just didn’t float my boat so I can’t offer much of an opinion on that

mushrooms and/or acid-again, in my case, not the best drug to take when planning on going out to a club. Too many things going on inside my head to deal with women in a way that lent itself to getting laid on a regular basis. Regular use can definitely destroy your motivation to lift, although you’ll find yourself hiking a lot more often. Perhaps an appropriate drug to use when trying to incorporate more cardio into your workouts. The effect on your body composition should be minimal, if anything

crystal meth-great for cutting weight, but not for anything else. although I will say that I’ve noticed a tendency for women to get extremely horny when smoking it. But using this drug will assuredly put you into contact with some unsavory people, women included.

heroin-never tried this one, but it can’t be anything but detrimental to your chances of getting laid. Nodding off at random times and mumbling about some pirate ship on the horizon isn’t very attractive to women

amyl nitrites-great before an attempt at a PR, especially if you don’t mind shitting yourself in the middle of a heavy set of squats.

vicodine, percoset (spelling?) and similar drugs-not good for getting laid or for body composition

cocaine-I hate to say it, but this may just be the perfect drug for you. It doesn’t carry the same negative stigma that crystal meth does, won’t put you into contact with snaggle-toothed radiation victims like crystal meth will, and it’s much easier to function as a normal member of society in the short-term. Because the immediate effect lasts much shorter than crystal, you can fully dedicate yourself to a good old-fashioned coke binge and still find time to lift. Also, women seem to view this drug with less of a negative stigma attached to it than any of the others above.
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Dang brah! that’s an excellent post right there, thanks!..As for Cocaine, no thanks…I’ve done my research. I don’t want to fuck up my life by being addicted to a drug(which according to my research is extremely addicting).[/quote]

If you think that was a ‘great post’ than you should stay far away from this thread and drugs until you’ve matured enough to learn about how this shit will actually effect you. [/quote]

mmm no, I’ll stay here. I want to educate my self as much as I can on anything I have interest in.

There’s people out there who try drugs without even knowing the name of it let alone the side effects. That post covered a lot on some of the most popular drugs so it was a GREAT POST.

[/quote]

I feel bad that you think that that post actually covered side effects and wasn’t anything more than bro knowledge (not every line obviously).

https://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/drugs_1?id=2206868&pageNo=0[/quote]

X2,

All this thread is, is people waxing reminiscent about their old party days. Read the thread bone linked if you want to learn something about street drugs from this site.

Personally, if you come at a forum like this, with a question like this, I really question your maturity if not your age. To the point where I think you’d be better served not taking any drugs what-so-ever.

This whole “I wanna fuck girls” comment has me staring blankly at the screen wondering what the fuck is happening here.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I recommend cocaine…for everything. Rub it on your dick, your teeth, ram it up your nose, smoke it, sprinkle it on your cereal, mix it up with your supplements, use it as a sugar substitute in your coffee, etc etc.

In all seriousness, based on my own experiences before I got sober and entered a 12-step program a couple years ago, weed will just destroy your motivation to lift. Also, in my case it made me extremely anti-social and heavily exacerbated what was otherwise an almost dormant, miniscule tendency toward social anxiety. I could talk with women and spit some game just fine. But it was getting up the balls and the motivation to approach women at bars in the first place after I had just smoked an 1/8 to my face that was really hard. Once I was in the door I was fine, but getting that foot in the door was very hard for me.

As for alcohol, first of it is a drug, so you’ve already done a drug(s). Booze will definitely fuck up your body composition in and of itself, especially if you have a tendency to drink like I did, which is to say that I usually drank until I passed out. Actually, according to my friends, I had the uncanny ability to continue drinking WHILE passed out. I would be passed out with a beer in my hand, wake up enough to take a sip, then pass right back out again. I was known to drink at least a six-pack like this as long as my friends kept putting beer in my hand.

In regards to other drugs:

ecstasy-not my favorite drug. Just didn’t float my boat so I can’t offer much of an opinion on that

mushrooms and/or acid-again, in my case, not the best drug to take when planning on going out to a club. Too many things going on inside my head to deal with women in a way that lent itself to getting laid on a regular basis. Regular use can definitely destroy your motivation to lift, although you’ll find yourself hiking a lot more often. Perhaps an appropriate drug to use when trying to incorporate more cardio into your workouts. The effect on your body composition should be minimal, if anything

crystal meth-great for cutting weight, but not for anything else. although I will say that I’ve noticed a tendency for women to get extremely horny when smoking it. But using this drug will assuredly put you into contact with some unsavory people, women included.

heroin-never tried this one, but it can’t be anything but detrimental to your chances of getting laid. Nodding off at random times and mumbling about some pirate ship on the horizon isn’t very attractive to women

amyl nitrites-great before an attempt at a PR, especially if you don’t mind shitting yourself in the middle of a heavy set of squats.

vicodine, percoset (spelling?) and similar drugs-not good for getting laid or for body composition

cocaine-I hate to say it, but this may just be the perfect drug for you. It doesn’t carry the same negative stigma that crystal meth does, won’t put you into contact with snaggle-toothed radiation victims like crystal meth will, and it’s much easier to function as a normal member of society in the short-term. Because the immediate effect lasts much shorter than crystal, you can fully dedicate yourself to a good old-fashioned coke binge and still find time to lift. Also, women seem to view this drug with less of a negative stigma attached to it than any of the others above.
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Dang brah! that’s an excellent post right there, thanks!..As for Cocaine, no thanks…I’ve done my research. I don’t want to fuck up my life by being addicted to a drug(which according to my research is extremely addicting).[/quote]

If you think that was a ‘great post’ than you should stay far away from this thread and drugs until you’ve matured enough to learn about how this shit will actually effect you. [/quote]

mmm no, I’ll stay here. I want to educate my self as much as I can on anything I have interest in.

There’s people out there who try drugs without even knowing the name of it let alone the side effects. That post covered a lot on some of the most popular drugs so it was a GREAT POST.

[/quote]

I feel bad that you think that that post actually covered side effects and wasn’t anything more than bro knowledge (not every line obviously).

https://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/drugs_1?id=2206868&pageNo=0[/quote]
Like I’ve stated before. I’ve done my research. I want to take “e”, guess what I been doing for the last 2 or 3 months? searching the shit out of it. I’m like an expert on the drug but it counts for nothing when you haven’t tried it which is what that post you are referring to is about, trying it.

Obviously I’m not going to take someones advice here and say “omgs fuckz yez I’ll takes the cokexxx tunight brah111” but it was a good post because he covered a few drugs and his experience with them.

Edit: thanks for the link.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I recommend cocaine…for everything. Rub it on your dick, your teeth, ram it up your nose, smoke it, sprinkle it on your cereal, mix it up with your supplements, use it as a sugar substitute in your coffee, etc etc.

In all seriousness, based on my own experiences before I got sober and entered a 12-step program a couple years ago, weed will just destroy your motivation to lift. Also, in my case it made me extremely anti-social and heavily exacerbated what was otherwise an almost dormant, miniscule tendency toward social anxiety. I could talk with women and spit some game just fine. But it was getting up the balls and the motivation to approach women at bars in the first place after I had just smoked an 1/8 to my face that was really hard. Once I was in the door I was fine, but getting that foot in the door was very hard for me.

As for alcohol, first of it is a drug, so you’ve already done a drug(s). Booze will definitely fuck up your body composition in and of itself, especially if you have a tendency to drink like I did, which is to say that I usually drank until I passed out. Actually, according to my friends, I had the uncanny ability to continue drinking WHILE passed out. I would be passed out with a beer in my hand, wake up enough to take a sip, then pass right back out again. I was known to drink at least a six-pack like this as long as my friends kept putting beer in my hand.

In regards to other drugs:

ecstasy-not my favorite drug. Just didn’t float my boat so I can’t offer much of an opinion on that

mushrooms and/or acid-again, in my case, not the best drug to take when planning on going out to a club. Too many things going on inside my head to deal with women in a way that lent itself to getting laid on a regular basis. Regular use can definitely destroy your motivation to lift, although you’ll find yourself hiking a lot more often. Perhaps an appropriate drug to use when trying to incorporate more cardio into your workouts. The effect on your body composition should be minimal, if anything

crystal meth-great for cutting weight, but not for anything else. although I will say that I’ve noticed a tendency for women to get extremely horny when smoking it. But using this drug will assuredly put you into contact with some unsavory people, women included.

heroin-never tried this one, but it can’t be anything but detrimental to your chances of getting laid. Nodding off at random times and mumbling about some pirate ship on the horizon isn’t very attractive to women

amyl nitrites-great before an attempt at a PR, especially if you don’t mind shitting yourself in the middle of a heavy set of squats.

vicodine, percoset (spelling?) and similar drugs-not good for getting laid or for body composition

cocaine-I hate to say it, but this may just be the perfect drug for you. It doesn’t carry the same negative stigma that crystal meth does, won’t put you into contact with snaggle-toothed radiation victims like crystal meth will, and it’s much easier to function as a normal member of society in the short-term. Because the immediate effect lasts much shorter than crystal, you can fully dedicate yourself to a good old-fashioned coke binge and still find time to lift. Also, women seem to view this drug with less of a negative stigma attached to it than any of the others above.
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Dang brah! that’s an excellent post right there, thanks!..As for Cocaine, no thanks…I’ve done my research. I don’t want to fuck up my life by being addicted to a drug(which according to my research is extremely addicting).[/quote]

If you think that was a ‘great post’ than you should stay far away from this thread and drugs until you’ve matured enough to learn about how this shit will actually effect you. [/quote]

mmm no, I’ll stay here. I want to educate my self as much as I can on anything I have interest in.

There’s people out there who try drugs without even knowing the name of it let alone the side effects. That post covered a lot on some of the most popular drugs so it was a GREAT POST.

[/quote]

I feel bad that you think that that post actually covered side effects and wasn’t anything more than bro knowledge (not every line obviously).

https://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/drugs_1?id=2206868&pageNo=0[/quote]

X2,

All this thread is, is people waxing reminiscent about their old party days. Read the thread bone linked if you want to learn something about street drugs from this site.

Personally, if you come at a forum like this, with a question like this, I really question your maturity if not your age. To the point where I think you’d be better served not taking any drugs what-so-ever.

This whole “I wanna fuck girls” comment has me staring blankly at the screen wondering what the fuck is happening here.

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I am very mature for my age. I’ve always been “ahead of the game” when it comes to maturity, trust me.

I can care less if I fuck a girl or not…it was kind of a joke because you know when you are out and single you want to get with a girl, that’s male nature. Honestly if I have a good time with my friends, socialize with a few people and create some awesome memories in the process I’ll be happy.

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I work at a psychiatric emergency ward. We had a guy in that got his entire personality changed by half an “e”. He did not become very cool.

I am ofcourse biased, we just have to try to fix the guys on drugs that destroy themselves, people who are ok does not come in. Be warned though, that some drugs stop your emotional maturing process. We have patients that are 11 years old emotionally at the age of 20 right now. Or 14 years old when they are 28. They get out of tune with the world, and being 32 with a mind of a 13 year old is not cool.

Since you are so mature, yet are willing to do drugs to be cool, I would say alcohol, in moderation.

You will never know IF you are predisposed to triggering a psychosis or other mind disease from taking drugs, until you’ve tried. It is your call, and if you do, I hope you dont have family that has to suffer for it.

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[quote]Conf wrote:
Hey DBcooper, excellent post, really enjoyed them all.

had a quick question, how does vicodin effect your body comp in a harmful way? I take lots of vicodin (love it), I might ease off of it a bit if that really is true. I thought it didn’t really have a effect on your body comp.[/quote]

Well, the drug itself won’t effect your body comp, but the fact that you won’t be able move for a few hours (especially when combined with scotch and some good NorCal buds) makes it hard to workout regularly.

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[quote]espenl wrote:
I work at a psychiatric emergency ward. We had a guy in that got his entire personality changed by half an “e”. He did not become very cool.

I am ofcourse biased, we just have to try to fix the guys on drugs that destroy themselves, people who are ok does not come in. Be warned though, that some drugs stop your emotional maturing process. We have patients that are 11 years old emotionally at the age of 20 right now. Or 14 years old when they are 28. They get out of tune with the world, and being 32 with a mind of a 13 year old is not cool.

Since you are so mature, yet are willing to do drugs to be cool, I would say alcohol, in moderation.[/quote]
Wow this is starting to get stupid. Who said I’m doing drugs to be cool? I been through high “Scool” already. If I was going to take anything to be cool it would of been back then yet I probably drank 4 times in my whole high school career.

I want to try stuff, have fun and experiment. Honestly I know for a fact this “phase” won’t last long. I love going to the gym and that is my main focus BUT for right now(being injured) that is not possible so for the time being I’m going to go out and have fun.

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[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:
I work at a psychiatric emergency ward. We had a guy in that got his entire personality changed by half an “e”. He did not become very cool.

I am ofcourse biased, we just have to try to fix the guys on drugs that destroy themselves, people who are ok does not come in. Be warned though, that some drugs stop your emotional maturing process. We have patients that are 11 years old emotionally at the age of 20 right now. Or 14 years old when they are 28. They get out of tune with the world, and being 32 with a mind of a 13 year old is not cool.

Since you are so mature, yet are willing to do drugs to be cool, I would say alcohol, in moderation.[/quote]
Wow this is starting to get stupid. Who said I’m doing drugs to be cool? I been through high “Scool” already. If I was going to take anything to be cool it would of been back then yet I probably drank 4 times in my whole high school career.

I want to try stuff, have fun and experiment. Honestly I know for a fact this “phase” won’t last long. I love going to the gym and that is my main focus BUT for right now(being injured) that is not possible so for the time being I’m going to go out and have fun.

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Well what he stated is true, it’s rare but can happen to people especially those with family history issues regarding mental illnesses. Sure he just means well. I just wouldn’t fuck with anything “man made” for the most part. Shrooms/weed are all I ever neeeeeed:)

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Ronaldo:

Obviously you missed the tongue-in-cheek nature of my post. In actuality I would never seriously advocate drug use of any kind. Like I said, I’m a member of a 12-step program and I’m in one for a reason. I didn’t even mention opium or ketamine or pure MDMA (which makes X look like fucking Flintstone vitamins), which I’ve also done.

If you are worried about the addictive nature of cocaine, I hate to break it to you but alcohol is just as addicting, if not more. But alcohol abuse doesn’t carry the same negative stigma that cocaine use does so it’s usually not until you’ve become a hardcore alcoholic that people even begin to display concern for you, whereas most of your friends would probably show concern if you snorted coke two days in a row.

I suspect that you feel inadequate in certain social situations without being under the influence of something. In other words, I wouldn’t be surprised if what’s really going on is that you use alcohol to “change” yourself or the way the others perceive you because you are not fully okay with your sober self. But I could be wrong.

The whole story about me drinking while passed out sounds funny, but that was just the tip of the iceberg for me. What my friends didn’t know was that I also drank in the mornings on a regular basis and eventually I was so broke all the time from smoking MASSIVE amounts of weed (an 1/8oz to a 1/4oz EVERYDAY, rolled up in the biggest blunts I could roll, and not some bullshit from South Dakota but extremely potent NorCal shit) that things got really ugly.

I couldn’t afford alcohol as much, and I eventually began to puke every morning due to drinking a fifth of Cutty Sark and a twelve pack of high-alcohol-content beer (over 6%). To save money, rather than keeping beer next to my bed for the morning, I would puke into a huge cup and then drink the puke for its high alcohol content. I’m being dead serious.

The last time I ever drank, I woke up in my car at 4am, I was parked on my neighbor’s lawn, I was naked, I had an empty bottle of Jack Daniels in my lap, empty beer cans everywhere, blood all over my face from a coke-induced nosebleed, my shotgun was in the backseat and there were several spent cartridges on the passenger seat. Naturally, I had no clue how I got there.

And the anecdote earlier about shitting yourself after popping some amyls, well I really did that, too. Yeah, in the gym. What’s worse is I thought it was funny and although it was embarrassing at the time, I didn’t see any connection between this and the major problem I had.

So if you want to go out and party like a fucking rockstar, fine. But there IS a dark side to all that shit. You probably have a lot of friends headed down the same path I was, but you probably don’t suspect it at all; many drug addicts and alcoholics are very successful at leading double lives. It shocked most of my friends when I told them I had a problem and was going to get sober (not cutting back for a while, but actually getting 100% sober). I thought most of my friends from college were fairly normal drinkers, they just liked to party hard like everyone else at Chico State.

I got kicked out of Chico State for obvious reasons and lost touch with a lot of those friends. Turns out only two of them graduated and one of those two has had three DUI’s since he graduated.

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You can have fun without drugs :slight_smile:

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[quote]Carlitosway wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:
I work at a psychiatric emergency ward. We had a guy in that got his entire personality changed by half an “e”. He did not become very cool.

I am ofcourse biased, we just have to try to fix the guys on drugs that destroy themselves, people who are ok does not come in. Be warned though, that some drugs stop your emotional maturing process. We have patients that are 11 years old emotionally at the age of 20 right now. Or 14 years old when they are 28. They get out of tune with the world, and being 32 with a mind of a 13 year old is not cool.

Since you are so mature, yet are willing to do drugs to be cool, I would say alcohol, in moderation.[/quote]
Wow this is starting to get stupid. Who said I’m doing drugs to be cool? I been through high “Scool” already. If I was going to take anything to be cool it would of been back then yet I probably drank 4 times in my whole high school career.

I want to try stuff, have fun and experiment. Honestly I know for a fact this “phase” won’t last long. I love going to the gym and that is my main focus BUT for right now(being injured) that is not possible so for the time being I’m going to go out and have fun.

[/quote]

Well what he stated is true, it’s rare but can happen to people especially those with family history issues regarding mental illnesses. Sure he just means well. I just wouldn’t fuck with anything “man made” for the most part. Shrooms/weed are all I ever neeeeeed:)[/quote]

Just to be clear I wasn’t attacking you, espenl.

I just wanted to clarify that my reasoning for even thinking about doing drugs isn’t to be cool at all. I’ve turned down a few “fun” things which probably made me look uncool BUT at the time I had goals and doing so would of interfered with them.

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[quote]espenl wrote:
You can have fun without drugs :)[/quote]
Everyone is different man. Some people can and others can’t. Like I said, I’ve tried going out and just sipping water and I had some fun but I would of much rather stayed home slept 8 hours and gone to the gym early the next day.

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I didnt take it as an attack :slight_smile: I personally dont care what you do, I dont know you, you could die tomorrow, and I would only check on the thread for a few days before forgetting everything.

About the double lives. We have people coming in, being cool and relaxed. Then, after a few days of not getting their addictive substance of choice, they get worse than I am on low blood sugar. These people are going from cool to pain in the backside real quick when the drugs wear off.

I read the thread linked to you earlier, very interesting. You should check it out.

Again, I dont care, but maybe someone else does.

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[quote]espenl wrote:
I didnt take it as an attack :slight_smile: I personally dont care what you do, I dont know you, you could die tomorrow, and I would only check on the thread for a few days before forgetting everything.

About the double lives. We have people coming in, being cool and relaxed. Then, after a few days of not getting their addictive substance of choice, they get worse than I am on low blood sugar. These people are going from cool to pain in the backside real quick when the drugs wear off.

I read the thread linked to you earlier, very interesting. You should check it out.

Again, I dont care, but maybe someone else does.[/quote]

Ah well then screw you! lol just kidding man. I read the thread too.

Anyways I think I’m going to let this die now. I got some responses which is what I was looking for. At the end of the day it all comes down to how responsible you are.

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[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:
I didnt take it as an attack :slight_smile: I personally dont care what you do, I dont know you, you could die tomorrow, and I would only check on the thread for a few days before forgetting everything.

About the double lives. We have people coming in, being cool and relaxed. Then, after a few days of not getting their addictive substance of choice, they get worse than I am on low blood sugar. These people are going from cool to pain in the backside real quick when the drugs wear off.

I read the thread linked to you earlier, very interesting. You should check it out.

Again, I dont care, but maybe someone else does.[/quote]

Ah well then screw you! lol just kidding man. I read the thread too.

Anyways I think I’m going to let this die now. I got some responses which is what I was looking for. At the end of the day it all comes down to how responsible you are.
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About responsibility:

Addiction trumps responsibility every time. And as for your minimal drinking career up until now, that’s great! Some people can drink successfully, others can’t. I am a perfect example of someone who can’t. I cannot go out, have a beer or two, stop abruptly and be fine with that. One drink is too many, two is not enough.

Addiction can manifest itself at any time. I know I guy who was a responsible business owner, married, had two kids, two houses, nice cars, he got his shit done. Then his wife divorced him when he was about 40. Up until then, he had never been drunk, although he did drink the very rare glass of wine.

Fifteen years after the divorce, he had accumulated TEN DUI’s! That’s right, ten. He went from someone who never drank to someone who was taken to the emergency room with severe liver damage and then continued to drink the day he got out of the hospital. He didn’t get sober until he was in his 70s. Many times alcoholism is not the problem but rather a symptom of a problem.

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You sound like you have a HORRIBLE personality for getting into anything besides the kiddie pool. If you were capable of just having a few drinks(or a few hits, or insert terminology for moderation of w/e drug you want here) and coasting for a night you almost certainly would have by now, but you didn’t even acknowledge the option of anything like that. Rockstar or bust is a good way to become one of these guys who has just as many depressing stories as they do really cool ones.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
You sound like you have a HORRIBLE personality for getting into anything besides the kiddie pool. If you were capable of just having a few drinks(or a few hits, or insert terminology for moderation of w/e drug you want here) and coasting for a night you almost certainly would have by now, but you didn’t even acknowledge the option of anything like that. Rockstar or bust is a good way to become one of these guys who has just as many depressing stories as they do really cool ones.[/quote]

Dammit man, you have me all figured out in less than a few post. Yea my personality is “HORRIBLE”. People think I’m weird and I have never talked to a girl in my life…

In all seriousness though, some people are different. Just because you do things differently than me or I do things differently then you doesn’t mean my personality is better and yours worse. Life is about experience and everyone gets to experience different things at different times.

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Dude. About going out some people being able to have fun sober and some not. That is not true. What did people do before drugs?

Our culture has drugs to tied up into it. It’s really about letting loose and just socializeing alchol was served at social events to just loosen you up a bit but still was unneeded .

Look at the way tribes with no access to any type of drug party. They have the illest parties around they just know how to totally let loose and have fun.

You can learn to have that uninhibited state without drugs. It’s just totally being in the present moment takeing nothing seriously . It’s fun as fuck to for example start doing random weird shit in public with people staring at you with or without drugs.

Are you the type of guy who will start convos with strangers at any time and laughs if people look critcally by you. If you become like that it gets really easy to have fun.

Anyway my point is you can learn to have unbelievable fun with no drugs, I was in the same boat only into training etc. not super social then got drunk once and found out ooo shit I was really good with girls (because I was uninhibited and could be myself and say what I thought) and had a lot of fun. But after a bit felt like shit my body just do’t work with alchol long story short I eventually became ultra socially confident loosened up I.e. not always logical and thinking(in a pure social/party environment obv not school or something) and confident in what I did. Then I had more fun with no alchol with none of the dounsides and no one cared whether I drank I was normally one of the funner guys wheereve I am at.

Point is you CAN learn to have fun without drugs if you want to. but if you want to take them it’s your life just IMO stick to weed you will definetly have fun ( I smoked it one time) and get what you are after with the least bad effects

The big advance of the natural way is you’ll have fun almost all the time all drugs you feel pretty crappy after .

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Dude. About going out some people being able to have fun sober and some not. That is not true. What did people do before drugs?

Our culture has drugs to tied up into it. It’s really about letting loose and just socializeing alchol was served at social events to just loosen you up a bit but still was unneeded .

Look at the way tribes with no access to any type of drug party. They have the illest parties around they just know how to totally let loose and have fun.

You can learn to have that uninhibited state without drugs. It’s just totally being in the present moment takeing nothing seriously . It’s fun as fuck to for example start doing random weird shit in public with people staring at you with or without drugs.

Are you the type of guy who will start convos with strangers at any time and laughs if people look critcally by you. If you become like that it gets really easy to have fun.

Anyway my point is you can learn to have unbelievable fun with no drugs, I was in the same boat only into training etc. not super social then got drunk once and found out ooo shit I was really good with girls (because I was uninhibited and could be myself and say what I thought) and had a lot of fun. But after a bit felt like shit my body just do’t work with alchol long story short I eventually became ultra socially confident loosened up I.e. not always logical and thinking(in a pure social/party environment obv not school or something) and confident in what I did. Then I had more fun with no alchol with none of the dounsides and no one cared whether I drank I was normally one of the funner guys wheereve I am at.

Point is you CAN learn to have fun without drugs if you want to. but if you want to take them it’s your life just IMO stick to weed you will definetly have fun ( I smoked it one time) and get what you are after with the least bad effects

The big advance of the natural way is you’ll have fun almost all the time all drugs you feel pretty crappy after .

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One last thing before I forget…

Don’t worry about what your supposed to do or what is supposed to be fun or “the experience” or whatever.

My sis was always pissed she didn’t sneak out at night to go to parties in high school etc. like in movies.

But who cares? it’s your life don’t worry about movies idea of fun or everyone saying they got smashed. I am not saying be a parriah and dont chill with them. If you want to you want to but if you end up enjoying it sobere more (I did) do it. If you like going to book club and thats whats fun for you do it fi you like knitting sweaters do it. you want to put on a chastity ring and not have sex till marraige do it Point is just do whatever the hell is fun for you . I had a year or two of high school where all I did was train martial arts from outside ppl would say I had no life I’d assume but that honestly was what was fun for me and fun to do from that perspective I had the most fun out of anyone in my school that year. Plus it was social I loved the guys I trained with they were like my brothers,uncles,and fathers so it was a really great social life. who cares what kind of thing is the norm.

i do definetly feel you on balance though you need a lot of sociallizing but no reason it cant come from unconventional ways doesn’t need to be just “chillin”. But again chillin if you want to is cool too just learn time managment and you can probably not sacrafice anything in your training.

Plus doing what you love and being confident in your decision regardless of the rest. Makes it super easy to be super confident and be “the man” in social situations. Like twenty dudes into drugs and you but your so confident in what you do that instead of the steriotypical nerd trying to act like he knows about drugs those twenty dudes will try and act like they eat healthy.