[quote]SSC wrote:
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wow. nasty crystals… HYPOTHETICALLY, if i was growing the stuff & i harvested anything like that i would fuckin pass out.
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)[/quote]
‘Spiritual experiences’ are what some drug users claim to justify their drug use. Most are on par with ‘Dude, look at my hands! Woah…’
The only reason anything remotely spiritual might happen is that hallucinogens make you see crazy shit, and generally all drugs eliminate past and future thoughts and allow you to exist only in the present, which is the basis for all spiritual enlightenment. Thing is, if anything spiritual does happen, you’re usually too high to remember it, so it doesn’t really count.
[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
SeanT wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
Fuck That shit!! I’m never smoking weed again.
A couple weeks ago, I smoked weed and had the freak out,flip out, of a life time. It was so scary, I thought everybody wanted to kill me(dead serious) I stayed paranoid in my room for two days. 4TH of july was the worst, I thought we were being blasted by terrorist. I found out later that it was laced with crack(never done crack)and other shit.I punched
my friend in the face for not telling me.I’m not risk it, I’m never doing any drugs again. ever.
Wait, you say you will never smoke weed again because you thought crack was in their? Its uneconomical to lace weed with crack. I think you are mistaken and just a bitch when it comes to smoking. You were having a panic/anxiety attack, you need to learn how to clam down.
Well, my friend confirmed that he had indeed laced crack to it(he’s an idiot, me too for doing it) I had smoked many times prior to this incident and nothing ever happened. Does weed make
you stay up 24 hours? and work out for 4 hours at 3 in the morning? I really doubt it was only weed.
That must have been some angel dust, homes…[/quote]
your avatar is an angel dust. I mean Angel.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)
‘Spiritual experiences’ are what some drug users claim to justify their drug use. Most are on par with ‘Dude, look at my hands! Woah…’
The only reason anything remotely spiritual might happen is that hallucinogens make you see crazy shit, and generally all drugs eliminate past and future thoughts and allow you to exist only in the present, which is the basis for all spiritual enlightenment. Thing is, if anything spiritual does happen, you’re usually too high to remember it, so it doesn’t really count.[/quote]
So if a heroin addict tried Ibogaine and realized the wrong of their ways, and no longer want to use(and often the success rate is through the roof), that it is a bunch of shit?
[quote]SeanT wrote:
So if a heroin addict tried Ibogaine and realized the wrong of their ways, and no longer want to use(and often the success rate is through the roof), that it is a bunch of shit?
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Wouldn’t say it is a bunch of shit. But it sure as hell isn’t a spiritual meeting/encounter/revelation.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)
‘Spiritual experiences’ are what some drug users claim to justify their drug use. Most are on par with ‘Dude, look at my hands! Woah…’
The only reason anything remotely spiritual might happen is that hallucinogens make you see crazy shit, and generally all drugs eliminate past and future thoughts and allow you to exist only in the present, which is the basis for all spiritual enlightenment. Thing is, if anything spiritual does happen, you’re usually too high to remember it, so it doesn’t really count.[/quote]
I do believe that psychoactives can open the door to spiritual experiences, however they are like a ‘short cut’ method.
“If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things through narrow chinks of his cavern.” - William Blake
Aldous Huxley wrote a book called ‘The Doors of Perception’, which described his experiences with mescaline. He said:
“To be shaken out of the ruts of ordinary perception, to be shown for a few timeless hours the outer and inner world, not as they appear to an animal obsessed with survival or to a human being obsessed with words and notions, but as they are apprehended, directly and unconditionally, by Mind at Large, this is an experience of inestimable value to everyone and especially to the intellectual.”
You also have to understand that in tribal societies, these plants are considered sacred, and a way of exploring your inner space, communicating with the spirit world, as well as connecting with the world around you in a different way.
Check out the psychoactive vaults at Erowid ( Erowid Psychoactive Vaults ) and read the experience reports, it’s fascinating stuff.
The only thing is, you have to stay grounded or you can end up in delusion or freaking out. Set and setting are very important in these experiences, as are being around people you can trust and who will look after you.
…addicting.
[quote]SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)
‘Spiritual experiences’ are what some drug users claim to justify their drug use. Most are on par with ‘Dude, look at my hands! Woah…’
The only reason anything remotely spiritual might happen is that hallucinogens make you see crazy shit, and generally all drugs eliminate past and future thoughts and allow you to exist only in the present, which is the basis for all spiritual enlightenment. Thing is, if anything spiritual does happen, you’re usually too high to remember it, so it doesn’t really count.
So if a heroin addict tried Ibogaine and realized the wrong of their ways, and no longer want to use(and often the success rate is through the roof), that it is a bunch of shit?
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That’s not in any way spiritual. Using heroin addicts as an example is also quite silly. As your example has nothing to do with Reborn’s query, I contend it is a bunch of shit.
And such a realisation is paradoxical, or, at least, ironic enough to be questionable. Taking drugs to make one not want to take drugs is not the same as simply quitting heroin out of personal choice. It just makes one another kind of addict. We’re speaking of regular folks using drugs for spirituality, not addicts using drugs to make them like regular folks.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)
‘Spiritual experiences’ are what some drug users claim to justify their drug use. Most are on par with ‘Dude, look at my hands! Woah…’
The only reason anything remotely spiritual might happen is that hallucinogens make you see crazy shit, and generally all drugs eliminate past and future thoughts and allow you to exist only in the present, which is the basis for all spiritual enlightenment. Thing is, if anything spiritual does happen, you’re usually too high to remember it, so it doesn’t really count.
So if a heroin addict tried Ibogaine and realized the wrong of their ways, and no longer want to use(and often the success rate is through the roof), that it is a bunch of shit?
That’s not in any way spiritual. Using heroin addicts as an example is also quite silly. As your example has nothing to do with Reborn’s query, I contend it is a bunch of shit.
And such a realisation is paradoxical, or, at least, ironic enough to be questionable. Taking drugs to make one not want to take drugs is not the same as simply quitting heroin out of personal choice. It just makes one another kind of addict. We’re speaking of regular folks using drugs for spirituality, not addicts using drugs to make them like regular folks.
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I have to disagree with you there. Usually in examples such as the above, the psychoactive substance gave the person a deep revelation into the error of their ways. It shocked them to the core enough to make them SEE the destructive pattern they were living out; they may have gained a perception into the nature of their place in the universe, which I’d define as a spiritual experience. This gave them the impetus to change.
Psychoactives are not necessarily addictive - the experience itself can be too heavy and intense to do on a regular basis. The Iboga experience, or whatever chemical was used, was just the facilitator towards creating deep personal change. It could have just been a one-shot experience and doesn’t necessarily create a ‘new’ addiction.
[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)
‘Spiritual experiences’ are what some drug users claim to justify their drug use. Most are on par with ‘Dude, look at my hands! Woah…’
The only reason anything remotely spiritual might happen is that hallucinogens make you see crazy shit, and generally all drugs eliminate past and future thoughts and allow you to exist only in the present, which is the basis for all spiritual enlightenment. Thing is, if anything spiritual does happen, you’re usually too high to remember it, so it doesn’t really count.
So if a heroin addict tried Ibogaine and realized the wrong of their ways, and no longer want to use(and often the success rate is through the roof), that it is a bunch of shit?
That’s not in any way spiritual. Using heroin addicts as an example is also quite silly. As your example has nothing to do with Reborn’s query, I contend it is a bunch of shit.
And such a realisation is paradoxical, or, at least, ironic enough to be questionable. Taking drugs to make one not want to take drugs is not the same as simply quitting heroin out of personal choice. It just makes one another kind of addict. We’re speaking of regular folks using drugs for spirituality, not addicts using drugs to make them like regular folks.
I have to disagree with you there. Usually in examples such as the above, the psychoactive substance gave the person a deep revelation into the error of their ways. It shocked them to the core enough to make them SEE the destructive pattern they were living out; they may have gained a perception into the nature of their place in the universe, which I’d define as a spiritual experience. This gave them the impetus to change.
Psychoactives are not necessarily addictive - the experience itself can be too heavy and intense to do on a regular basis. The Iboga experience, or whatever chemical was used, was just the facilitator towards creating deep personal change. It could have just been a one-shot experience and doesn’t necessarily create a ‘new’ addiction.[/quote]
If it changes one’s life, then the new life is one created of drug usage. Even if for the better, all the successes of this new life are still rooted in drug usage. It’s like cheating. Drugs are the easy way out: out of life’s problems, even out of a drug addiction. It’s not spiritual; it’s a trick.
[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)
‘Spiritual experiences’ are what some drug users claim to justify their drug use. Most are on par with ‘Dude, look at my hands! Woah…’
The only reason anything remotely spiritual might happen is that hallucinogens make you see crazy shit, and generally all drugs eliminate past and future thoughts and allow you to exist only in the present, which is the basis for all spiritual enlightenment. Thing is, if anything spiritual does happen, you’re usually too high to remember it, so it doesn’t really count.
So if a heroin addict tried Ibogaine and realized the wrong of their ways, and no longer want to use(and often the success rate is through the roof), that it is a bunch of shit?
That’s not in any way spiritual. Using heroin addicts as an example is also quite silly. As your example has nothing to do with Reborn’s query, I contend it is a bunch of shit.
And such a realisation is paradoxical, or, at least, ironic enough to be questionable. Taking drugs to make one not want to take drugs is not the same as simply quitting heroin out of personal choice. It just makes one another kind of addict. We’re speaking of regular folks using drugs for spirituality, not addicts using drugs to make them like regular folks.
I have to disagree with you there. Usually in examples such as the above, the psychoactive substance gave the person a deep revelation into the error of their ways. It shocked them to the core enough to make them SEE the destructive pattern they were living out; they may have gained a perception into the nature of their place in the universe, which I’d define as a spiritual experience. This gave them the impetus to change.
Psychoactives are not necessarily addictive - the experience itself can be too heavy and intense to do on a regular basis. The Iboga experience, or whatever chemical was used, was just the facilitator towards creating deep personal change. It could have just been a one-shot experience and doesn’t necessarily create a ‘new’ addiction.[/quote]
The thing with addiction is it can just be “addictive”. It doesn’t matter if it is emotional, chemical, psychological, or physiological. Addications happen.
Gambling addiction does not need a chemical
Shopping addiction does not need a chemical
marijuana is addictive
addictions are bad news
im pretty sure a lot of ppl here are addicted to weight lifting and clean food, i guess thats bad
any1 here would live without fish oil?? or caffeine?
you guys need to be more open minded, so what if its a drug??? if it makes you life better who care what it is?? if you could get the same thing but it wasnt a drug it would make it ok?? just because its a drug its bad?? >_>
[quote]My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.[/quote]
you know like how weight lifting can make you think more positively, be more confident, more happy yet its just lifting an heavy weight?
or like if your really stressed youll not focus on the same thing as if you were calm?? ever did something live and then re watched yourself after?? and saw how many things you could have done better?? to have another point of view??
well some drugs will give you a new point of view like those things mentioned above, it doesnt make you dumb or see things that dont exist
you know bruce lee “get rid of all the bad and only keep the good” well weed kinda does that, its makes you forget all the bad so you can focus only on the good, and it does make a huge difference in the way you see things
[quote]bobbeh wrote:
im pretty sure a lot of ppl here are addicted to weight lifting and clean food, i guess thats bad
any1 here would live without fish oil?? or caffeine?
you guys need to be more open minded, so what if its a drug??? if it makes you life better who care what it is?? if you could get the same thing but it wasnt a drug it would make it ok?? just because its a drug its bad?? >_>
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
you know like how weight lifting can make you think more positively, be more confident, more happy yet its just lifting an heavy weight?
or like if your really stressed youll not focus on the same thing as if you were calm?? ever did something live and then re watched yourself after?? and saw how many things you could have done better?? to have another point of view??
well some drugs will give you a new point of view like those things mentioned above, it doesnt make you dumb or see things that dont exist
you know bruce lee “get rid of all the bad and only keep the good” well weed kinda does that, its makes you forget all the bad so you can focus only on the good, and it does make a huge difference in the way you see things
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Yes, while you’re high. Then you wake up the next morning and your life sucks just like it did yesterday. Drugs can be fun but they are not a good thing. I firmly believe that.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
bobbeh wrote:
im pretty sure a lot of ppl here are addicted to weight lifting and clean food, i guess thats bad
any1 here would live without fish oil?? or caffeine?
you guys need to be more open minded, so what if its a drug??? if it makes you life better who care what it is?? if you could get the same thing but it wasnt a drug it would make it ok?? just because its a drug its bad?? >_>
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
you know like how weight lifting can make you think more positively, be more confident, more happy yet its just lifting an heavy weight?
or like if your really stressed youll not focus on the same thing as if you were calm?? ever did something live and then re watched yourself after?? and saw how many things you could have done better?? to have another point of view??
well some drugs will give you a new point of view like those things mentioned above, it doesnt make you dumb or see things that dont exist
you know bruce lee “get rid of all the bad and only keep the good” well weed kinda does that, its makes you forget all the bad so you can focus only on the good, and it does make a huge difference in the way you see things
Yes, while you’re high. Then you wake up the next morning and your life sucks just like it did yesterday. Drugs can be fun but they are not a good thing. I firmly believe that.[/quote]
but it doesnt suck lol, watch the video
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.
Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.
Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)
‘Spiritual experiences’ are what some drug users claim to justify their drug use. Most are on par with ‘Dude, look at my hands! Woah…’
The only reason anything remotely spiritual might happen is that hallucinogens make you see crazy shit, and generally all drugs eliminate past and future thoughts and allow you to exist only in the present, which is the basis for all spiritual enlightenment. Thing is, if anything spiritual does happen, you’re usually too high to remember it, so it doesn’t really count.
So if a heroin addict tried Ibogaine and realized the wrong of their ways, and no longer want to use(and often the success rate is through the roof), that it is a bunch of shit?
That’s not in any way spiritual. Using heroin addicts as an example is also quite silly. As your example has nothing to do with Reborn’s query, I contend it is a bunch of shit.
And such a realisation is paradoxical, or, at least, ironic enough to be questionable. Taking drugs to make one not want to take drugs is not the same as simply quitting heroin out of personal choice. It just makes one another kind of addict. We’re speaking of regular folks using drugs for spirituality, not addicts using drugs to make them like regular folks.
I have to disagree with you there. Usually in examples such as the above, the psychoactive substance gave the person a deep revelation into the error of their ways. It shocked them to the core enough to make them SEE the destructive pattern they were living out; they may have gained a perception into the nature of their place in the universe, which I’d define as a spiritual experience. This gave them the impetus to change.
Psychoactives are not necessarily addictive - the experience itself can be too heavy and intense to do on a regular basis. The Iboga experience, or whatever chemical was used, was just the facilitator towards creating deep personal change. It could have just been a one-shot experience and doesn’t necessarily create a ‘new’ addiction.
If it changes one’s life, then the new life is one created of drug usage. Even if for the better, all the successes of this new life are still rooted in drug usage. It’s like cheating. Drugs are the easy way out: out of life’s problems, even out of a drug addiction. It’s not spiritual; it’s a trick.[/quote]
Not necessarily, although I understand where your point of view is coming from.
Drugs can ‘short circuit’ natural enlightenment mechanisms. The real work lays in being able to achieve elevated states of mind naturally.
With the Ibogaine example, if a person realized the error of their ways and never touched a drug again, I wouldn’t say it was a trick. Something deeply touched that person, a major change would have truly happened within. It doesn’t mean they’re going to stop using heroin and start using Iboga instead.
Sometimes it takes fire to fight fire.
[quote]adamhum wrote:
There are some people who can handle weed and not use it as a gateway to other things and there are some people who can’t.
Both of my brothers started with weed and both have gotten into other stuff. I have never smoked weed, but would like to sometimes because my life can get very stressful.
- Adam[/quote]
Say No To Drugs!! Everyone’s lives can get very stressful, find different ways to relieve stress…
haha 
[quote]aznt0rk wrote:
Say No To Drugs!! Everyone’s lives can get very stressful, find different ways to relieve stress…
haha ;)[/quote]
Booooooooo.
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Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection
I still wouldn’t smoke. I enjoy the buzz I get from a vaporizer over smoking any day.