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Plus, if they legalize it, watch them pass a law that you need a ‘license’ - yay, licensing fees! more revenue! - and that will require classes, etc…just to ‘weed out’ (I kill me) the small time dealers who were dealing before legalization and providing the best prices that would otherwise put legal vendors out of business.

That’s capitalism right there.

Lower the drinking age, push back ‘last call’ and legalize weed. Let’s see how American culture handles this rush of goodness.

It’ll be like when Italians began actually reporting their income and Italy’s GDP rose to put it in the top 5 GDPs in the world. Difference between reported and unreported…and I’m talking about sales volume and usage statistics for weed, since it is currently illegal and the stats would actually materialize if they legalize it.

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.

Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.

Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)[/quote]

An experience that can be had so cheaply and quickly is, to me, a volatile experience. Volatile, as in it can go away just as quickly and easily.

I remember reading that either Danny Carey or Maynard of TOOL said they felt drugs should be used to reach a state of enlightenment if only to have a reference point for what you should try to achieve in a state of sobriety. I guess I can buy that.

I have had some profound experiences this past year simply being sober and observing the world around me. I am not trying to be self-righteous and espouse some Zen bullshit.

I literally have hit a point where I can have an intense experience pass through me and not care to get involved, such that it is an out of body and first-person experience…at the same time. Just realizing that the world keeps turning whether you get involved in something or not, that people have really short-term memory (and so will not remember your level of involvement in something, for better or for worse), has been enough for me to shed my previously Type A personality.

Besides, I think the simplest rule I have learned is that life, for the most part, will do the work for you. People will show their true colors, things that are meant to fall apart, will, and so forth. It is only when you start stressing about shit you can’t control that it becomes ‘work’ for YOU.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.

Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.

Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)

An experience that can be had so cheaply and quickly is, to me, a volatile experience. Volatile, as in it can go away just as quickly and easily.

I remember reading that either Danny Carey or Maynard of TOOL said they felt drugs should be used to reach a state of enlightenment if only to have a reference point for what you should try to achieve in a state of sobriety. I guess I can buy that.

I have had some profound experiences this past year simply being sober and observing the world around me. I am not trying to be self-righteous and espouse some Zen bullshit. I literally have hit a point where I can have an intense experience pass through me and not care to get involved, such that it is an out of body and first-person experience…at the same time.

Just realizing that the world keeps turning whether you get involved in something or not, that people have really short-term memory (and so will not remember your level of involvement in something, for better or for worse), has been enough for me to shed my previously Type A personality.

Besides, I think the simplest rule I have learned is that life, for the most part, will do the work for you. People will show their true colors, things that are meant to fall apart, will, and so forth. It is only when you start stressing about shit you can’t control that it becomes ‘work’ for YOU. [/quote]

This is interesting. Obviously anyone who’s claiming to have spiritual experiences when smoking weed are probably full of it. There are DEFINITELY drugs that can induce profound discoveries. I really don’t want to turn this into a drug thread, but mushrooms, LSD, salvia, peyote, or any kind of DXM, really.

While I stick to things that were NOT made by humans, these experiences can be life-changing. If one isn’t making discoveries, epiphanies, and self-reflection without drugs, then they’re probably having a problem with association between their highs and sobriety, and they have a problem.

I personally haven’t had any religious experiences, but I know many people that all claim to have been talked to by Sally when smoking salvia, but can never quite remember what was said. These are from people who use it for meditation and its pschoreflective properties. Remember, salvia is legal!

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
My question is this; What is the deal with people claiming “spiritual” experiences while on drugs.

Your on fucking drugs, how can anything spiritual happen? I would automatically assume that anything that happened was a result of whatever Im using, not any sudden enlightment.

Anyone care to explain? (Seriously.)[/quote]

I’m too lazy to explain…but here :

I’ll add that you learn things about yourself that otherwise would have taken a lot of meditation and introspect.

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I fail to see how hallucinations can count as ‘spiritual’ experiences.

What, then, is a spiritual experience?

Again, I am not against the use of such drugs, but I find a lot of arguments in favor of them to be weak.

I think people need more training on how to control the cognitive aspects of an addiction. Period.

We have become a patch-job nation where we only address short-term issues with symptomatic treatment. We do it when we do credit card balance transfers, seek to make money real quick, go on stupid diets, etc.

And it is not merely about ‘instant gratification.’ We isolate and compartmentalize far too much. In doing so, we create very weak one-to-one relationships and associations: good sex = x, lots of money guarantees y, etc.

Fuck, I can’t dig a philosophical ditch when I should be studying for my databases midterm…fuck you guys :slight_smile:

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I fail to see how hallucinations can count as ‘spiritual’ experiences.

What, then, is a spiritual experience?

Again, I am not against the use of such drugs, but I find a lot of arguments in favor of them to be weak.

I think people need more training on how to control the cognitive aspects of an addiction. Period.

We have become a patch-job nation where we only address short-term issues with symptomatic treatment. We do it when we do credit card balance transfers, seek to make money real quick, go on stupid diets, etc. And it is not merely about ‘instant gratification.’ We isolate and compartmentalize far too much. In doing so, we create very weak one-to-one relationships and associations: good sex = x, lots of money guarantees y, etc.

Fuck, I can’t dig a philosophical ditch when I should be studying for my databases midterm…fuck you guys :)[/quote]

Psychedelic drugs can cause you to look at yourself through a different light. It can show you the other side of things or maybe things that you haven’t realized until you see it from a different angle. Heck, one study with LSD showed that it could “cure” repeat alcoholics(they just couldn’t quit) with a 50% success rate. AA has a 10% success rate.

Many people also claim that psychedelic drugs “give the ego a good beating”. They mean it helps the person give up selfish habits, being a better person, and being less greedy.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I fail to see how hallucinations can count as ‘spiritual’ experiences.

What, then, is a spiritual experience?

Again, I am not against the use of such drugs, but I find a lot of arguments in favor of them to be weak.

I think people need more training on how to control the cognitive aspects of an addiction. Period.

We have become a patch-job nation where we only address short-term issues with symptomatic treatment. We do it when we do credit card balance transfers, seek to make money real quick, go on stupid diets, etc. And it is not merely about ‘instant gratification.’ We isolate and compartmentalize far too much. In doing so, we create very weak one-to-one relationships and associations: good sex = x, lots of money guarantees y, etc.

Fuck, I can’t dig a philosophical ditch when I should be studying for my databases midterm…fuck you guys :)[/quote]

I know this is a double post, but I couldn’t help but add some information from the wiki:

"LSD is considered an entheogen because it can catalyze intense spiritual experiences where users feel they have come into contact with a greater spiritual or cosmic order. Some users report insights into the way the mind works, and some experience long-lasting changes in their life perspective.

Some users consider LSD a religious sacrament, or a powerful tool for access to the divine. Dr. Stanislav Grof has written that religious and mystical experiences observed during LSD sessions appear to be phenomenologically indistinguishable from similar descriptions in the sacred scriptures of the great religions of the world and the secret mystical texts of ancient civilizations"

If you want to learn more about spiritual usages of drugs, I’m too busy to write a big response…

But a good link: Entheogen - Wikipedia

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I want to try DMT.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
I want to try DMT.

Joe Rogan talks about DMT - YouTube [/quote]

Ive done 5-meo-DMT a few times. It is serious stuff. I would say that its not fun. Don’t try it, its just too powerful of a substance to have fun with. Its basically the strongest drug known to man. If you do try it, remember to breathe.

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[quote]elano wrote:
Makavali wrote:
I want to try DMT.

Ive done 5-meo-DMT a few times. It is serious stuff. I would say that its not fun. Don’t try it, its just too powerful of a substance to have fun with. Its basically the strongest drug known to man. If you do try it, remember to breathe.[/quote]

I’ve heard this as well… I’ve pretty much been warned to try just about all other psychoactive drugs before moving on to DMT.

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[quote]elano wrote:
Makavali wrote:
I want to try DMT.

Ive done 5-meo-DMT a few times. It is serious stuff. I would say that its not fun. Don’t try it, its just too powerful of a substance to have fun with. Its basically the strongest drug known to man. If you do try it, remember to breathe.[/quote]

5-meo-DMT and DMT have very different effects from what I understand.

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[quote]SeanT wrote:
elano wrote:
Makavali wrote:
I want to try DMT.

Ive done 5-meo-DMT a few times. It is serious stuff. I would say that its not fun. Don’t try it, its just too powerful of a substance to have fun with. Its basically the strongest drug known to man. If you do try it, remember to breathe.

5-meo-DMT and DMT have very different effects from what I understand.[/quote]

5-meo is stronger as far as the dose needed to produce effects, but DMT produces more intense visuals. I was put in an alternate consciousness and all my visuals were in black and white for some reason. I am telling you now that the drug feels like death/birth and thats all I can describe it as. Ive never done DMT but I heard the visuals were colorful and it basically can put you on a planet with aliens living an entire different life in a matter of half a minute before your plunged back into reality. You have to free-base both of these drugs.

I suggest you try an ayahuasca brew for your dmt journey instead of free basing a synthetic. You can eat the synthetic too, but you need to eat a MAOI with it. You used to be able to buy this stuff off the net but I heard the FDA has cracked down hard on all the overseas suppliers.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
I want to try DMT.

Joe Rogan talks about DMT - YouTube [/quote]

This link is badass.

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Tried low dose DXM last weekend. It’s definitely my favorite alcohol alternative now. Really nice buzz, but no physical effects or slurred speech.

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[quote]elano wrote:
Makavali wrote:
I want to try DMT.

This link is badass.[/quote]

that was some deeeeeep shit.

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[quote]elano wrote:
I suggest you try an ayahuasca brew for your dmt journey instead of free basing a synthetic.[/quote]

Given my views on drug use, I think this was the only way I was ever going to try it.

Natural ftw.

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DMT is POWERFUL. Try everything before dmt, and treat it with some fucking respect. Failing to do so may net you a bad (BAD) trip and some pretty serious post traumatic stress disorder.

Smile

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…finally got my growbox up and running: 25 clones under a 600 watt HPS lamp, aiming for a pound in 8 or 10 weeks. It’s my first run, and there’s still a lot to learn, so here goes nothing!

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:
SeanT wrote:
nomorewar wrote:
Fuck That shit!! I’m never smoking weed again.
A couple weeks ago, I smoked weed and had the freak out,flip out, of a life time. It was so scary, I thought everybody wanted to kill me(dead serious) I stayed paranoid in my room for two days. 4TH of july was the worst, I thought we were being blasted by terrorist. I found out later that it was laced with crack(never done crack)and other shit.I punched
my friend in the face for not telling me.I’m not risk it, I’m never doing any drugs again. ever.

Wait, you say you will never smoke weed again because you thought crack was in their? Its uneconomical to lace weed with crack. I think you are mistaken and just a bitch when it comes to smoking. You were having a panic/anxiety attack, you need to learn how to clam down.

Well, my friend confirmed that he had indeed laced crack to it(he’s an idiot, me too for doing it) I had smoked many times prior to this incident and nothing ever happened. Does weed make
you stay up 24 hours? and work out for 4 hours at 3 in the morning? I really doubt it was only weed.

[/quote]

That must have been some angel dust, homes…

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
That must have been some angel dust, homes…[/quote]

“Fuck Hector!”

~Friday