Thanks punnyguy. What you say is true to some degree, but there’s more to it than that. With perfect technique, I could be lifting 5%-10% more. On the other hand, there are many lifters with much better technique than my own that snatch and clean and jerk a smaller percent of their squat. I don’t have any reasonable guess that explains the difference.
Thanks wasBr0k3n. Good to see you hanging out here again.
Thanks Harry. Trying to get my lifts up as high as possible in anticipation of Nationals. I will do Masters Nationals in weightlifting this April if they get to a reasonable level by then. O-lifting meets are run more like power lifting meets than like sheaf or WOB. Three attempts total in each of the two lifts, so they’re not so long after all. A session with ten lifters lasts about 45 minutes for each lift. How close is Savannah to you?
Training 12/8/2010
Power Cleans: 60x6, 70x5, 80x5, 85x5, 87x5
High Hang Cleans: (87x3)2
5/3/1 C7 W2 Snatch Dead Lifts:
104x3
111x3
117x7
130x1, (104x5)3
Hanging Leg Raises: BW+1.25kgx8,8,8
Sorry to keep pestering you with questions Carl, but please can you tell me when working on snatch technique is it better to work in single lifts or is it OK to do triples and higher? or does form deteriorate the more reps you do? also
should I be dropping into a full squat after every single rep even though I’m basically catching the weight with straight legs with a slight knee bend or can the drop be worked on later once I improve my technique a bit?
No worries here on the questions. Doing full snatches, I rarely go past 3 reps, and am in a phase now where I do only singles. Form most definitely deteriorates as the set goes on. To keep good form throughout a set, more than 3 makes you work too light to be doing much good.
As to power versus full versions, it depends on your eventual goal. If you want to learn full snatches, the quickest way is to avoid power versions altogether. A high hard long pull helps a power snatch, and there is more leeway for misplaced lifts. In the full version, height of the pull is not very important. Bar speed, timing, and placement are what matter. This approach requires light weights at first and will probably involve a lot more missed lifts. As always, I hope this makes sense.
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
No worries here on the questions. Doing full snatches, I rarely go past 3 reps, and am in a phase now where I do only singles. Form most definitely deteriorates as the set goes on. To keep good form throughout a set, more than 3 makes you work too light to be doing much good.
As to power versus full versions, it depends on your eventual goal. If you want to learn full snatches, the quickest way is to avoid power versions altogether. A high hard long pull helps a power snatch, and there is more leeway for misplaced lifts. In the full version, height of the pull is not very important. Bar speed, timing, and placement are what matter. This approach requires light weights at first and will probably involve a lot more missed lifts. As always, I hope this makes sense.[/quote]
Thanks Joe. Don’t think you would have any problems handling this stuff. Might need a bit of mobility work specific to the lifts and throws at first, but I’m pretty sure you have the balance and quickness.
Ever since the 95kg snatch last week, I’ve been trying to convince myself I could do this 96 today, but without any success until I got on the platform to do it. 604800 seconds and only 15 of them spent believing I could do it. Just glad it was the right 15 seconds.
Last three snatches today. I really like the first one at 91.5kg. I have this funny elbow twitch as the bar nears my hips. I’m trying hard to eliminate it. Its mostly a matter of needing to relax the arms and be patient with the pull to the hips. Its still there today, but if you compare these to lasts weeks’, you will see its much less apparent.
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Good week training, new maxes on every main lift.[/quote]
Can’t ask for more from a weeks training than that. Good job.
Thanks for answering my questions. Realistically I don’t think I will ever master the full snatch, but I would be fairly content with a decent power snatch. I’m already feeling a bit more “pop” in my legs from doing them.
That must be the coolest view from a gym I’ve seen, much better than my “wall of wood”.
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Last three snatches today. I really like the first one at 91.5kg. I have this funny elbow twitch as the bar nears my hips. I’m trying hard to eliminate it. Its mostly a matter of needing to relax the arms and be patient with the pull to the hips. Its still there today, but if you compare these to lasts weeks’, you will see its much less apparent.[/quote]
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Ever since the 95kg snatch last week, I’ve been trying to convince myself I could do this 96 today, but without any success until I got on the platform to do it. 604800 seconds and only 15 of them spent believing I could do it. Just glad it was the right 15 seconds.
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Ever since the 95kg snatch last week, I’ve been trying to convince myself I could do this 96 today, but without any success until I got on the platform to do it. 604800 seconds and only 15 of them spent believing I could do it. Just glad it was the right 15 seconds.
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Very nice.[/quote]
That’s what we lift for, those few seconds of perfection.
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Thanks Joe. Don’t think you would have any problems handling this stuff. Might need a bit of mobility work specific to the lifts and throws at first, but I’m pretty sure you have the balance and quickness.
Ever since the 95kg snatch last week, I’ve been trying to convince myself I could do this 96 today, but without any success until I got on the platform to do it. 604800 seconds and only 15 of them spent believing I could do it. Just glad it was the right 15 seconds.
5/3/1 C7 W2 Military:
53x3
56x3
59x6
68x1
Dips:( BW+5)x9,9,8
Lat Pull Downs: 170lbsx9,9,8
Good week training, new maxes on every main lift.[/quote]
New maxes.Congrats.
I’m sure Ive told you before, but I like reading your log, the lifts you do are impressive. Olympic lifts are so hard.
