Man Resists a Taser

[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:

buckeye girl wrote:
But…I wouldn’t worry too much about it. All these things related to the social sciences are useless anyway. (Yes, I’m making a reference to that old thread) Plus, I’m not going to play the game where we argue over whether or not men and women are equal, deserve to be equal, or if equality is even possible.

You said all this based on nothing I had posted. You just jumped to conclusions about me.

And I also don’t see why you get so aggressive about a man opening a door for you. Can’t people be courteous in this day and age?
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Apparently my sarcasm doesn’t travel well over the internet.

As far as door holding…I guess I’m just independent bitch that is too stubborn for her own good. If I’m capable of doing something on my own, I want to do it on my own.

[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
I’m not expecting everyone to agree with me. It’s just my opinion.

And your evidence is bunk, as someone has already shown that they can produce another study saying the exact opposite.

I only called you and others closed minded when you begin putting words in my mouth, as you did in a very early post.
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What study showed the exact opposite of anything she or I have said? Just curious, because I haven’t seen it.

If anyone jumped to conclusions, you were given plenty of chances to have them re-evaluate you. Instead, all you do is tell us you’re a tranny.

Take a look at Glick and Fiske, 1996 in the journal of personality and social psychology.

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Men and women still are not equal in society.[/quote]

or biology.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Dude, shutup. You’ve said too much already. (See you tonight, usual place, but a half hour earlier as we’re swearing in the new board.)

DB[/quote]

Topic of tonight’s meeting:

How to oppress women - Holding doors in 2008

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
As far as door holding…I guess I’m just independent bitch that is too stubborn for her own good. If I’m capable of doing something on my own, I want to do it on my own.[/quote]

I am going to assume you do nice things for others from time to time. Should they be offended by your generosity?

I hold doors.

Male, female, young, old, black, white…whatever!

After reading this thread, I had no idea I was stomping all over racial and gender boundaries.

The day I get tased for doing so, will be a very sad day.

Then again, if I’m eating with a group of people I also wait for everyone to have their food before I start eating.

I just thought this was common courtesy stuff…shrug

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
No offence taken,I was thinking of the child aspect before I read your post and,yes they get respect too.

Teenage boys,now they are starting to be seen more as 'men 'and get treated accordingly,which is to say they get respect but no deference.Same goes for middle aged and young men.

So perhaps in my mind it’s more my use of what may be considered deferential treatment to more overtly show a certain amount of respect,rather than just the respect per se.

Of course the same deferential treatment may also be seen by some as condescending and demeaning,but that then goes down to what my intent may or may not be in acting the way I do.

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The problem is that positive attitudes about women are associated with hostility against women. It seems paradoxical, but it’s well documented. If you want to learn more about this, take a look at Peter Glick’s Ambivalent Sexism Inventory. It’s pretty interesting stuff.

At the most basic level, by opening a door for a woman, you may be reducing her status to that of a child or an elderly person. That’s patronizing, and I bet doesn’t always feel very good (of course, some women may like to be treated this way, but clearly, some don’t).

Personally, I’ll open a door for anyone, because like you say, it’s just being courteous. That’s right, show courtesy to other men, too!

[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
Dude, shutup. You’ve said too much already. (See you tonight, usual place, but a half hour earlier as we’re swearing in the new board.)

DB

Topic of tonight’s meeting:

How to oppress women - Holding doors in 2008[/quote]

Invalidating someone else’s emotional response, that will PROVE that you’re right.

I thought you said you were out?

How is it that you are still posting, but somehow haven’t managed to provide even a scrap of evidence for any position you have stated?

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
How is it that you are still posting, but somehow haven’t managed to provide even a scrap of evidence for any position you have stated?[/quote]

This has already been covered, but I’ll write it again. Every shred of “evidence” you give can be countered by another study.

Don’t believe everything you read. Don’t you have any original thoughts of your own?

Edit: I was out for about 5 minutes, but I couldn’t resist coming back for more :slight_smile:

If anyone is immediately behind me, or within 20 seconds of catching up to me, I will hold the door for him or her. I don’t care who it is.

If you are an especially attractive woman, I will wait an extra 10 or 15 seconds, for the purely selfish goal of being able to watch you walk away.

[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
How is it that you are still posting, but somehow haven’t managed to provide even a scrap of evidence for any position you have stated?

This has already been covered, but I’ll write it again. Every shred of “evidence” you give can be countered by another study.
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You keep saying that, but you can’t even back THAT up! Frankly, I think you are assuming that they can be countered, and you’re hoping no one notices that’s it’s just another one of your assumptions with absolutely nothing behind it.

LOL!

If you know how to do research, you can spot the mistakes pretty easily. If you read all the relevant studies (or even better, conduct a meta-analysis), you can get a pretty good idea of reality.

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Don’t you have any original thoughts of your own?
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LOL!!!

Yes, I surely do. However, my original thoughts build on things that are…

what’s the word?

REAL, and not baseless opinions.

That’s why my original ideas get published.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
If anyone is immediately behind me, or within 20 seconds of catching up to me, I will hold the door for him or her. I don’t care who it is.

If you are an especially attractive woman, I will wait an extra 10 or 15 seconds, for the purely selfish goal of being able to watch you walk away.[/quote]

My name is m00se and I approve and agree with this post. thumbs up

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
No offence taken,I was thinking of the child aspect before I read your post and,yes they get respect too.

Teenage boys,now they are starting to be seen more as 'men 'and get treated accordingly,which is to say they get respect but no deference.Same goes for middle aged and young men.

So perhaps in my mind it’s more my use of what may be considered deferential treatment to more overtly show a certain amount of respect,rather than just the respect per se.

Of course the same deferential treatment may also be seen by some as condescending and demeaning,but that then goes down to what my intent may or may not be in acting the way I do.

The problem is that positive attitudes about women are associated with hostility against women. It seems paradoxical, but it’s well documented. If you want to learn more about this, take a look at Peter Glick’s Ambivalent Sexism Inventory. It’s pretty interesting stuff.

At the most basic level, by opening a door for a woman, you may be reducing her status to that of a child or an elderly person. That’s patronizing, and I bet doesn’t always feel very good (of course, some women may like to be treated this way, but clearly, some don’t).

Personally, I’ll open a door for anyone, because like you say, it’s just being courteous. That’s right, show courtesy to other men, too![/quote]

I agree that that is a valid perpective.

So how do I,as an individual,differentiate between those that will take offense and those that will not?

If one cannot decipher this before the fact,then one is left with a personal choice of how to approach this situation when it arises.

Mine has ,for better or worse,been instilled in me from my upbringing,and I am personally content with it.

Let us now split a hair or two as regards courtesy.I have been working under the assumption here that when we talk about opening doors for women,it’s me holding the door open and where possible,allowing her to pass through first.Or opening her car door.
If I walk through a door and I know there is someome behind me ,regardless of age or gender I will hold it open for them too,as like you rightly point out,that is common courtesy.

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Yes, I surely do. However, my original thoughts build on things that are…

what’s the word?

REAL, and not baseless opinions.

That’s why my original ideas get published.[/quote]

Your “things that are real” are just limited studies. “Real” is life experience.

And you can keep your socialist publishments.

[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Yes, I surely do. However, my original thoughts build on things that are…

what’s the word?

REAL, and not baseless opinions.

That’s why my original ideas get published.

Your “things that are real” are just limited studies. “Real” is life experience.

And you can keep your socialist publishments.[/quote]

Oh.

So you ARE a tranny?

[quote]nephorm wrote:
If anyone is immediately behind me, or within 20 seconds of catching up to me, I will hold the door for him or her. I don’t care who it is.
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20 seconds is a long time to wait for a dude. If a dude isn’t within arms reach of the door when I am walking thru it he’ll just have to figure out how to open it on his own.

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
So you ARE a tranny?[/quote]

If I was, would you hold the door for me???

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
nephorm wrote:
If anyone is immediately behind me, or within 20 seconds of catching up to me, I will hold the door for him or her. I don’t care who it is.

20 seconds is a long time to wait for a dude. If a dude isn’t within arms reach of the door when I am walking thru it he’ll just have to figure out how to open it on his own.[/quote]

Yeah, 20 seconds is a bit long.

[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
How is it that you are still posting, but somehow haven’t managed to provide even a scrap of evidence for any position you have stated?

This has already been covered, but I’ll write it again. Every shred of “evidence” you give can be countered by another study.
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Zap didnt say he had a study that could directly COUNTER the study aleksandr reference, only that he HEARD that another study didnt support, the results of that study couldve been inconclusive.

And I fully appreciate teh desire for real-world, anecdotal evidence over the sanitized observations of a bunch of white-coat-wearing pencilnecks when it comes to lifting … but sending actors out to interview for jobs is not exactly “laboratory” conditions. My real-world experience has led me to believe that while out and out racism of the hate-monger screaming “WHITE POWER” has been marginalized, there still exist significant subconscious biases and prejudices in the truest sense of the word - pre judgments. For the record I’m a white male, and I absolutely believe that I have advantages because of that

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
And I fully appreciate teh desire for real-world, anecdotal evidence over the sanitized observations of a bunch of white-coat-wearing pencilnecks when it comes to lifting … but sending actors out to interview for jobs is not exactly “laboratory” conditions. My real-world experience has led me to believe that while out and out racism of the hate-monger screaming “WHITE POWER” has been marginalized, there still exist significant subconscious biases and prejudices in the truest sense of the word - pre judgments. For the record I’m a white male, and I absolutely believe that I have advantages because of that
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But you’re a yankee full of white guilt so your opinion doesn’t matter…j/k