[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
So can door opening just not be seen as show of respect?
I open the door for elderly people,male or female as well.
It’s just common manners and courtesy.
I fully comprehend that everyone is capable of opening their own doors,I just feel that courtesy makes the world a better place and it’s how I was raised.
By the way,I’m 41,so maybe I’m considered to be
an old dog.
Just curious, what do “women” and “eldery people” ahve in common that leads you to consider them comparable?
A lot of people were raised into chivilrous values, being courteous to women and the elderly is often part of that.[/quote]
I understand that. But I’m asking what is the commonality between women and the elderly that elicits the same behavior towards them.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
White male privilege is a result of the way in which social institutions are set up so that white men benefit most, and women and other races are at a disadvantage.
Except when applying to college, financial grants, and various other things when it hurts you to be a white male.
As level of education increases, the benefit of that education decreases drastically for black men. The more educated they are, the greater their earnings discrepancy relative to equally qualified white men. Thought you might be interested to know.[/quote]
Show me the stats.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
No point debating this, so let’s just make it simple.
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No point debating because you are closed minded and don’t want to hear another viewpoint?
Edit: And the anser is no. As far as proof? It’s an opinion. Don’t you realize that?
[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
No point debating this, so let’s just make it simple.
No point debating because you are closed minded and don’t want to hear another viewpoint?
Edit: And the anser is no. As far as proof? It’s an opinion. Don’t you realize that?[/quote]
No point debating opinions. Three times now I asked you for evidence supporting your position, and three times you ducked it.
Until you provide evidence, I have to assume you have none, and therefore your argument is not an argument at all, but rather an uninformed opinion.
I’ll ask again.
Do white men enjoy preferential employment outcomes relative to minorities and/or women?
Yes: there is privilege
No: Provide evidence
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Show me the stats.[/quote]
Bertrand and Mullainathan (2004) is the first that comes to mind. If I think of any others, I’ll post those as well.
[EDIT]
To see how Bertrand and Mullainathan relate to actual dollar earnings, see Baldwin and Johnson (1996).
My evidence is life experience. Your evidence is a paper some guy wrote. I’ll take mine anyday.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
So can door opening just not be seen as show of respect?
I open the door for elderly people,male or female as well.
It’s just common manners and courtesy.
I fully comprehend that everyone is capable of opening their own doors,I just feel that courtesy makes the world a better place and it’s how I was raised.
By the way,I’m 41,so maybe I’m considered to be
an old dog.
Just curious, what do “women” and “eldery people” ahve in common that leads you to consider them comparable?[/quote]
My respect?
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
So can door opening just not be seen as show of respect?
I open the door for elderly people,male or female as well.
It’s just common manners and courtesy.
I fully comprehend that everyone is capable of opening their own doors,I just feel that courtesy makes the world a better place and it’s how I was raised.
By the way,I’m 41,so maybe I’m considered to be
an old dog.
Just curious, what do “women” and “eldery people” ahve in common that leads you to consider them comparable?
My respect? [/quote]
So then do you not respect children, teenage boys, young men, and middle-aged men? Please don’t take offence, I really am curious.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Show me the stats.
Bertrand and Mullainathan (2004) is the first that comes to mind. If I think of any others, I’ll post those as well.
[EDIT]
To see how Bertrand and Mullainathan relate to actual dollar earnings, see Baldwin and Johnson (1996).[/quote]
Bureau of Labor Statistics data show that median weekly earnings for full-time workers in 2004 were 28.6 percent higher for white men than for African-American men and 15.6 percent higher for white women than for African-American women. Differences in education, experience, occupation and industry may explain parts of these gaps.1 Several years ago, economists Joseph Altonji and Rebecca Blank showed that after accounting for these worker characteristics, the gap in hourly wages between blacks and whites who worked full-time for all of 1995 was still 7 percent.
This study?
http://stlouisfed.org/publications/re/2006/a/pages/ethnic_names.html
Check this link. It seems that their study that claimed people with “black” sounding names were discriminated against wasn’t held up under another study.
[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
My evidence is life experience. Your evidence is a paper some guy wrote. I’ll take mine anyday.[/quote]
Oh, I’m sorry.
I didn’t realize you have experienced being a woman. When did you have the surgery?
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
So can door opening just not be seen as show of respect?
I open the door for elderly people,male or female as well.
It’s just common manners and courtesy.
I fully comprehend that everyone is capable of opening their own doors,I just feel that courtesy makes the world a better place and it’s how I was raised.
By the way,I’m 41,so maybe I’m considered to be
an old dog.
Just curious, what do “women” and “eldery people” ahve in common that leads you to consider them comparable?
A lot of people were raised into chivilrous values, being courteous to women and the elderly is often part of that.
I understand that. But I’m asking what is the commonality between women and the elderly that elicits the same behavior towards them.[/quote]
OK,do you mean in my personal view or what I believe it to be socially?
[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
My evidence is life experience. Your evidence is a paper some guy wrote. I’ll take mine anyday.[/quote]
So…basically, your argument is “there is no such thing as male privilege because I don’t believe it exists”?!
You can’t make an argument, fail to back it up with any empirical evidence, then expect everyone to agree with you and call them closed minded when they don’t.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Show me the stats.
Bertrand and Mullainathan (2004) is the first that comes to mind. If I think of any others, I’ll post those as well.
[EDIT]
To see how Bertrand and Mullainathan relate to actual dollar earnings, see Baldwin and Johnson (1996).
Bureau of Labor Statistics data show that median weekly earnings for full-time workers in 2004 were 28.6 percent higher for white men than for African-American men and 15.6 percent higher for white women than for African-American women. Differences in education, experience, occupation and industry may explain parts of these gaps.1 Several years ago, economists Joseph Altonji and Rebecca Blank showed that after accounting for these worker characteristics, the gap in hourly wages between blacks and whites who worked full-time for all of 1995 was still 7 percent.
This study? [/quote]
No, it does not look familiar. That excerpt doesn’t really speak to the point I made, but send me the ref, I’d like to have a look at it.
[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
You speak of group membership like white males have a weekly meeting with refreshments at the end where we keep the minorities down.
[/quote]
Dude, shutup. You’ve said too much already. (See you tonight, usual place, but a half hour earlier as we’re swearing in the new board.)
DB
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
So can door opening just not be seen as show of respect?
I open the door for elderly people,male or female as well.
It’s just common manners and courtesy.
I fully comprehend that everyone is capable of opening their own doors,I just feel that courtesy makes the world a better place and it’s how I was raised.
By the way,I’m 41,so maybe I’m considered to be
an old dog.
Just curious, what do “women” and “eldery people” ahve in common that leads you to consider them comparable?
A lot of people were raised into chivilrous values, being courteous to women and the elderly is often part of that.
I understand that. But I’m asking what is the commonality between women and the elderly that elicits the same behavior towards them.
OK,do you mean in my personal view or what I believe it to be socially?[/quote]
Oh, if you seem them as different, why not give both? 
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Oh, I’m sorry.
I didn’t realize you have experienced being a woman. When did you have the surgery?[/quote]
I see you don’t have anything intelligent left to post, so with that, my time on this thread is done.
[quote]Ultimate Badass wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Oh, I’m sorry.
I didn’t realize you have experienced being a woman. When did you have the surgery?
I see you don’t have anything intelligent left to post, so with that, my time on this thread is done.[/quote]
To quote rrjc5488…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAA!!!
That was totally immature. I’m sorry.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
So can door opening just not be seen as show of respect?
I open the door for elderly people,male or female as well.
It’s just common manners and courtesy.
I fully comprehend that everyone is capable of opening their own doors,I just feel that courtesy makes the world a better place and it’s how I was raised.
By the way,I’m 41,so maybe I’m considered to be
an old dog.
Just curious, what do “women” and “eldery people” ahve in common that leads you to consider them comparable?
My respect?
So then do you not respect children, teenage boys, young men, and middle-aged men? Please don’t take offence, I really am curious.[/quote]
No offence taken,I was thinking of the child aspect before I read your post and,yes they get respect too.
Teenage boys,now they are starting to be seen more as 'men 'and get treated accordingly,which is to say they get respect but no deference.Same goes for middle aged and young men.
So perhaps in my mind it’s more my use of what may be considered deferential treatment to more overtly show a certain amount of respect,rather than just the respect per se.
Of course the same deferential treatment may also be seen by some as condescending and demeaning,but that then goes down to what my intent may or may not be in acting the way I do.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
So…basically, your argument is “there is no such thing as male privilege because I don’t believe it exists”?!
You can’t make an argument, fail to back it up with any empirical evidence, then expect everyone to agree with you and call them closed minded when they don’t.[/quote]
I’m not expecting everyone to agree with me. It’s just my opinion.
And your evidence is bunk, as someone has already shown that they can produce another study saying the exact opposite.
I only called you and others closed minded when you begin putting words in my mouth, as you did in a very early post.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
But…I wouldn’t worry too much about it. All these things related to the social sciences are useless anyway. (Yes, I’m making a reference to that old thread) Plus, I’m not going to play the game where we argue over whether or not men and women are equal, deserve to be equal, or if equality is even possible.
[/quote]
You said all this based on nothing I had posted. You just jumped to conclusions about me.
And I also don’t see why you get so aggressive about a man opening a door for you. Can’t people be courteous in this day and age?
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Show me the stats.
Bertrand and Mullainathan (2004) is the first that comes to mind. If I think of any others, I’ll post those as well.
[EDIT]
To see how Bertrand and Mullainathan relate to actual dollar earnings, see Baldwin and Johnson (1996).
Bureau of Labor Statistics data show that median weekly earnings for full-time workers in 2004 were 28.6 percent higher for white men than for African-American men and 15.6 percent higher for white women than for African-American women. Differences in education, experience, occupation and industry may explain parts of these gaps.1 Several years ago, economists Joseph Altonji and Rebecca Blank showed that after accounting for these worker characteristics, the gap in hourly wages between blacks and whites who worked full-time for all of 1995 was still 7 percent.
This study?
No, it does not look familiar. That excerpt doesn’t really speak to the point I made, but send me the ref, I’d like to have a look at it.[/quote]
I saw it in the link I posted above. No link to the study itself.