Man Jailed for Rape by Deception

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
wow. Where’s jewbaca?
[/quote]

Rape by deception is also the law in most states in the USA.

Typically, it’s not used much, but there was one recent case where an identical twin screwed his twin brother’s wife, claiming to be his brother back from Iraq after being gone six months.

So, be careful all you wanna-be George Castanzas (who pretended to be an archetect) — it’s the law here, too.[/quote]

Which states have this on the books, I seriously would like to know. Here in Texas, we do not. To get sexual assault it would take force, coercion, threat, chemical means used, etc.

The example you gave of the twins doesn’t compare well to the Arab. In his case he was misrepresenting one part of his personality, no different than saying, yes, I’m a doctor, lawyer, senators son, etc. In the case of the twins, the guy stole the identity of another person to have sex. He misrepresented who he was entirely. A big difference I think.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dude-dilly squat wrote:
Are the Jews the most hated people?

Everybody hates the Jews right?

Also, I am 25% Jew. But I had a friend say that saying you are 25% Jew is like saying you are 25% black.

I found this very funny because it’s so insulting on so many levels.[/quote]

No, Americans are the most hated people.[/quote]

I thought it was the french. Even the french hate the french.[/quote]

It’s my impression that outside of the Americas all countries hate us except Israel and Great Britain.

[quote]lawsonsamuels wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
wow. Where’s jewbaca?
[/quote]

Rape by deception is also the law in most states in the USA.

Typically, it’s not used much, but there was one recent case where an identical twin screwed his twin brother’s wife, claiming to be his brother back from Iraq after being gone six months.

So, be careful all you wanna-be George Castanzas (who pretended to be an archetect) — it’s the law here, too.[/quote]

Which states have this on the books, I seriously would like to know. Here in Texas, we do not. To get sexual assault it would take force, coercion, threat, chemical means used, etc.

The example you gave of the twins doesn’t compare well to the Arab. In his case he was misrepresenting one part of his personality, no different than saying, yes, I’m a doctor, lawyer, senators son, etc. In the case of the twins, the guy stole the identity of another person to have sex. He misrepresented who he was entirely. A big difference I think.

[/quote]

I don’t know the sexual assault law in Texas (and I am a business lawyer, not a criminal lawyer), but, typically “sexual assault” is defined as touching or being touched with various parts of the body “for the purpose of sexual gratification WITHOUT CONSENT.”

Consent can be coerced by lots of things ---- force, threat of force, drugs, and even lies.

It’s a species of “assault.”

Another classic example of sexual assault by-false-pretenses that fits the fake-Jew story is the “fake gynological exam” or “fake doctor” or “unnecessary gynological exam” by creepy doctor or “my your finger is big” exam.

There’s even been ones where guys fake cancer, etc.

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dude-dilly squat wrote:
Are the Jews the most hated people?

Everybody hates the Jews right?

Also, I am 25% Jew. But I had a friend say that saying you are 25% Jew is like saying you are 25% black.

I found this very funny because it’s so insulting on so many levels.[/quote]

No, Americans are the most hated people.[/quote]

I thought it was the french. Even the french hate the french.[/quote]

It’s my impression that outside of the Americas all countries hate us except Israel and Great Britain.[/quote]

Most countries are just jealous of America. I say that as an Israeli.

America is made of all the shit people that were either kicked out of various countries, were so poor that getting on a boat with nothing was better than staying put, criminals, weaker tribes of blacks that were rounded up by stronger tribes and sold, or hunter-gatherers that were driven over the Bering Strait because they sucked at warfare.

The dregs of the world.

And yet, together, you absolutely dominate. Fuck the World. Good for you.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]lawsonsamuels wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
wow. Where’s jewbaca?
[/quote]

Rape by deception is also the law in most states in the USA.

Typically, it’s not used much, but there was one recent case where an identical twin screwed his twin brother’s wife, claiming to be his brother back from Iraq after being gone six months.

So, be careful all you wanna-be George Castanzas (who pretended to be an archetect) — it’s the law here, too.[/quote]

Which states have this on the books, I seriously would like to know. Here in Texas, we do not. To get sexual assault it would take force, coercion, threat, chemical means used, etc.

The example you gave of the twins doesn’t compare well to the Arab. In his case he was misrepresenting one part of his personality, no different than saying, yes, I’m a doctor, lawyer, senators son, etc. In the case of the twins, the guy stole the identity of another person to have sex. He misrepresented who he was entirely. A big difference I think.

[/quote]

I don’t know the sexual assault law in Texas (and I am a business lawyer, not a criminal lawyer), but, typically “sexual assault” is defined as touching or being touched with various parts of the body “for the purpose of sexual gratification WITHOUT CONSENT.”

Consent can be coerced by lots of things ---- force, threat of force, drugs, and even lies.

It’s a species of “assault.”

Another classic example of sexual assault by-false-pretenses that fits the fake-Jew story is the “fake gynological exam” or “fake doctor” or “unnecessary gynological exam” by creepy doctor or “my your finger is big” exam.

There’s even been ones where guys fake cancer, etc.[/quote]

There have been cases where a woman asserts she was raped by her “gynecologist” after finding out he is NOT an MD.

Also, the Arab man DID misrepresent himself in entirety because he said he was Jewish. It doesn’t matter how he misrepresented himself, the fact is he still did it. In the case of the twin brothers, the one twin didn’t “steal” an identity, he just misrepresented himself as his twin. It doesn’t say much about the women in either matter, the Jewish woman haveng sex the first day she meets a guy and the wife not being able to tell her husband apart from his brother.

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]lawsonsamuels wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
wow. Where’s jewbaca?
[/quote]

Rape by deception is also the law in most states in the USA.

Typically, it’s not used much, but there was one recent case where an identical twin screwed his twin brother’s wife, claiming to be his brother back from Iraq after being gone six months.

So, be careful all you wanna-be George Castanzas (who pretended to be an archetect) — it’s the law here, too.[/quote]

Which states have this on the books, I seriously would like to know. Here in Texas, we do not. To get sexual assault it would take force, coercion, threat, chemical means used, etc.

The example you gave of the twins doesn’t compare well to the Arab. In his case he was misrepresenting one part of his personality, no different than saying, yes, I’m a doctor, lawyer, senators son, etc. In the case of the twins, the guy stole the identity of another person to have sex. He misrepresented who he was entirely. A big difference I think.

[/quote]

I don’t know the sexual assault law in Texas (and I am a business lawyer, not a criminal lawyer), but, typically “sexual assault” is defined as touching or being touched with various parts of the body “for the purpose of sexual gratification WITHOUT CONSENT.”

Consent can be coerced by lots of things ---- force, threat of force, drugs, and even lies.

It’s a species of “assault.”

Another classic example of sexual assault by-false-pretenses that fits the fake-Jew story is the “fake gynological exam” or “fake doctor” or “unnecessary gynological exam” by creepy doctor or “my your finger is big” exam.

There’s even been ones where guys fake cancer, etc.[/quote]

There have been cases where a woman asserts she was raped by her “gynecologist” after finding out he is NOT an MD.

Also, the Arab man DID misrepresent himself in entirety because he said he was Jewish. It doesn’t matter how he misrepresented himself, the fact is he still did it. In the case of the twin brothers, the one twin didn’t “steal” an identity, he just misrepresented himself as his twin. It doesn’t say much about the women in either matter, the Jewish woman haveng sex the first day she meets a guy and the wife not being able to tell her husband apart from his brother.
[/quote]

So you’re saying any misrepresentation on the part of a guy could be considered deception, maybe a form of coercion, and thus rape. I think that’s a real stretch legally. Lying about your entire identity is a much bigger step than lying about what church you go to, your job, etc.

And in all seriousness could a guy say the same if he found out some misrepresentation on the part of a woman? He sleeps with her, later finds out she’s married. Or she said she was a virgin and wasn’t. or finds out she used to be a he.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]eic wrote:

Also, let’s be clear about one thing: If the situation was reversed (Jewish man “raping” by deception an Arab woman in an Arab country), not only would the Jew be jailed for life or executed, but there would not be a SINGLE dissenting Arab voice. (This hypothetical is largely academic, because Jews wouldn’t even be allowed to live in an Arab country to begin with.) Let’s not try to pretend two things are the same when they clearly are not.

[/quote]

Painting with a pretty broad brush there.[/quote]

No it’s not. Jewish citizens were effectively expelled and/or “ethnically cleansed” from any country that is majority arab or muslim. There are a few hard core hanging on in a couple countries, but they are in the 10s or 100s, instead of million +.[/quote]

a source I saw said in the thousands. The part I have a problem with is “but there would not be a SINGLE dissenting Arab voice”

There are liberal minded arabs I’m sure.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
wow. Where’s jewbaca?
[/quote]

Rape by deception is also the law in most states in the USA.

Typically, it’s not used much, but there was one recent case where an identical twin screwed his twin brother’s wife, claiming to be his brother back from Iraq after being gone six months.

So, be careful all you wanna-be George Castanzas (who pretended to be an archetect) — it’s the law here, too.[/quote]

“Without the new legislation, police and prosecutors are virtually helpless when someone reports a rape that occurred because the victim was deceived or tricked into consenting. Legislators cited a case in western Massachusetts in which a woman consented to intercourse with her boyfriend’s brother because he claimed to be the woman’s boyfriend.”

It was not the law at the time in massachusetts. I dont know about in other areas or whether the law was in fact passed.

And I really cant see any US court convicting based on lies about religion. Convicttions for assumed identities and fraudulent medical qualifications make much more sense.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]eic wrote:

Also, let’s be clear about one thing: If the situation was reversed (Jewish man “raping” by deception an Arab woman in an Arab country), not only would the Jew be jailed for life or executed, but there would not be a SINGLE dissenting Arab voice. (This hypothetical is largely academic, because Jews wouldn’t even be allowed to live in an Arab country to begin with.) Let’s not try to pretend two things are the same when they clearly are not.

[/quote]

If this happened in a hardline Arab country, Iran, etc. wouldn’t the woman ALSO be punished or possibly executed for fornication? Or for simply being alone with a man she was not related to or married to?

Painting with a pretty broad brush there.[/quote]

No it’s not. Jewish citizens were effectively expelled and/or “ethnically cleansed” from any country that is majority arab or muslim. There are a few hard core hanging on in a couple countries, but they are in the 10s or 100s, instead of million +.[/quote]

a source I saw said in the thousands. The part I have a problem with is “but there would not be a SINGLE dissenting Arab voice”

There are liberal minded arabs I’m sure.[/quote]

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dude-dilly squat wrote:
Are the Jews the most hated people?

Everybody hates the Jews right?

Also, I am 25% Jew. But I had a friend say that saying you are 25% Jew is like saying you are 25% black.

I found this very funny because it’s so insulting on so many levels.[/quote]

No, Americans are the most hated people.[/quote]

I thought it was the french. Even the french hate the french.[/quote]

It’s my impression that outside of the Americas all countries hate us except Israel and Great Britain.[/quote]

Most countries are just jealous of America. I say that as an Israeli.

America is made of all the shit people that were either kicked out of various countries, were so poor that getting on a boat with nothing was better than staying put, criminals, weaker tribes of blacks that were rounded up by stronger tribes and sold, or hunter-gatherers that were driven over the Bering Strait because they sucked at warfare.

The dregs of the world.

And yet, together, you absolutely dominate. Fuck the World. Good for you.[/quote]

Every israeli I have ever met has the most idiotic views on race.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dude-dilly squat wrote:
Are the Jews the most hated people?

Everybody hates the Jews right?

Also, I am 25% Jew. But I had a friend say that saying you are 25% Jew is like saying you are 25% black.

I found this very funny because it’s so insulting on so many levels.[/quote]

No, Americans are the most hated people.[/quote]

I thought it was the french. Even the french hate the french.[/quote]

It’s my impression that outside of the Americas all countries hate us except Israel and Great Britain.[/quote]

Most countries are just jealous of America. I say that as an Israeli.

America is made of all the shit people that were either kicked out of various countries, were so poor that getting on a boat with nothing was better than staying put, criminals, weaker tribes of blacks that were rounded up by stronger tribes and sold, or hunter-gatherers that were driven over the Bering Strait because they sucked at warfare.

The dregs of the world.

And yet, together, you absolutely dominate. Fuck the World. Good for you.[/quote]

Every israeli I have ever met has the most idiotic views on race.[/quote]

That’s OK, everyone from Missouri I have ever met had deep sexual thoughts about their mother.

Seriously, race? Not in the post.

[quote]lawsonsamuels wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]lawsonsamuels wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
wow. Where’s jewbaca?
[/quote]

Rape by deception is also the law in most states in the USA.

Typically, it’s not used much, but there was one recent case where an identical twin screwed his twin brother’s wife, claiming to be his brother back from Iraq after being gone six months.

So, be careful all you wanna-be George Castanzas (who pretended to be an archetect) — it’s the law here, too.[/quote]

Which states have this on the books, I seriously would like to know. Here in Texas, we do not. To get sexual assault it would take force, coercion, threat, chemical means used, etc.

The example you gave of the twins doesn’t compare well to the Arab. In his case he was misrepresenting one part of his personality, no different than saying, yes, I’m a doctor, lawyer, senators son, etc. In the case of the twins, the guy stole the identity of another person to have sex. He misrepresented who he was entirely. A big difference I think.

[/quote]

I don’t know the sexual assault law in Texas (and I am a business lawyer, not a criminal lawyer), but, typically “sexual assault” is defined as touching or being touched with various parts of the body “for the purpose of sexual gratification WITHOUT CONSENT.”

Consent can be coerced by lots of things ---- force, threat of force, drugs, and even lies.

It’s a species of “assault.”

Another classic example of sexual assault by-false-pretenses that fits the fake-Jew story is the “fake gynological exam” or “fake doctor” or “unnecessary gynological exam” by creepy doctor or “my your finger is big” exam.

There’s even been ones where guys fake cancer, etc.[/quote]

There have been cases where a woman asserts she was raped by her “gynecologist” after finding out he is NOT an MD.

Also, the Arab man DID misrepresent himself in entirety because he said he was Jewish. It doesn’t matter how he misrepresented himself, the fact is he still did it. In the case of the twin brothers, the one twin didn’t “steal” an identity, he just misrepresented himself as his twin. It doesn’t say much about the women in either matter, the Jewish woman haveng sex the first day she meets a guy and the wife not being able to tell her husband apart from his brother.
[/quote]

So you’re saying any misrepresentation on the part of a guy could be considered deception, maybe a form of coercion, and thus rape. I think that’s a real stretch legally. Lying about your entire identity is a much bigger step than lying about what church you go to, your job, etc.

And in all seriousness could a guy say the same if he found out some misrepresentation on the part of a woman? He sleeps with her, later finds out she’s married. Or she said she was a virgin and wasn’t. or finds out she used to be a he.
[/quote]

I would have to say it’s situational. In a country like Israel, which was founded to give a religious group a homeland, which no other religion has, lying about being Jewish to get laid might be grounds for rape. In most other countries it would be seen as ridiculous, but when dealing with Jews and Muslims…nothing is considered ridiculous, it’s all considered deadly serious.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dude-dilly squat wrote:
Are the Jews the most hated people?

Everybody hates the Jews right?

Also, I am 25% Jew. But I had a friend say that saying you are 25% Jew is like saying you are 25% black.

I found this very funny because it’s so insulting on so many levels.[/quote]

No, Americans are the most hated people.[/quote]

I thought it was the french. Even the french hate the french.[/quote]

It’s my impression that outside of the Americas all countries hate us except Israel and Great Britain.[/quote]

Most countries are just jealous of America. I say that as an Israeli.

America is made of all the shit people that were either kicked out of various countries, were so poor that getting on a boat with nothing was better than staying put, criminals, weaker tribes of blacks that were rounded up by stronger tribes and sold, or hunter-gatherers that were driven over the Bering Strait because they sucked at warfare.

The dregs of the world.

And yet, together, you absolutely dominate. Fuck the World. Good for you.[/quote]

Every israeli I have ever met has the most idiotic views on race.[/quote]

That’s OK, everyone from Missouri I have ever met had deep sexual thoughts about their mother.

Seriously, race? Not in the post.[/quote]

Ok maybe previous experiences colored my reading of your post. But its certainly a skewed and presumptious view of history.

America was not the penal colony Australia was althogh if memory serves there were areas that did serve that function. Some of the first settlers of America were seeking religous freedom. A great many more sought economic advancement. After white civilization got a toe hold most immigrants sought economic opportunity. Land was free and soil was rich. Same in australia. A ship to australia at the right time of colonization was a winning lottery ticket.

Slaves came from all kinds of tribes, not just weak ones.

You have no idea why people came over the bering strait. It could have been any number of pressures from curiosity to famine.

Wasnt dregs is my point.

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

I would have to say it’s situational. In a country like Israel, which was founded to give a religious group a homeland, which no other religion has, lying about being Jewish to get laid might be grounds for rape. In most other countries it would be seen as ridiculous, but when dealing with Jews and Muslims…nothing is considered ridiculous, it’s all considered deadly serious.[/quote]

Deadly ridiculous moar liek

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dude-dilly squat wrote:
Are the Jews the most hated people?

Everybody hates the Jews right?

Also, I am 25% Jew. But I had a friend say that saying you are 25% Jew is like saying you are 25% black.

I found this very funny because it’s so insulting on so many levels.[/quote]

No, Americans are the most hated people.[/quote]

I thought it was the french. Even the french hate the french.[/quote]

It’s my impression that outside of the Americas all countries hate us except Israel and Great Britain.[/quote]

Most countries are just jealous of America. I say that as an Israeli.

America is made of all the shit people that were either kicked out of various countries, were so poor that getting on a boat with nothing was better than staying put, criminals, weaker tribes of blacks that were rounded up by stronger tribes and sold, or hunter-gatherers that were driven over the Bering Strait because they sucked at warfare.

The dregs of the world.

And yet, together, you absolutely dominate. Fuck the World. Good for you.[/quote]

Every israeli I have ever met has the most idiotic views on race.[/quote]

That’s OK, everyone from Missouri I have ever met had deep sexual thoughts about their mother.

Seriously, race? Not in the post.[/quote]

Ok maybe previous experiences colored my reading of your post. But its certainly a skewed and presumptious view of history.

America was not the penal colony Australia was althogh if memory serves there were areas that did serve that function. Some of the first settlers of America were seeking religous freedom. A great many more sought economic advancement. After white civilization got a toe hold most immigrants sought economic opportunity. Land was free and soil was rich. Same in australia. A ship to australia at the right time of colonization was a winning lottery ticket.

Slaves came from all kinds of tribes, not just weak ones.

You have no idea why people came over the bering strait. It could have been any number of pressures from curiosity to famine.

Wasnt dregs is my point.[/quote]

Georgia was founded as a penal colony, But many criminals were deported to the states as a punishment.

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]lawsonsamuels wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]lawsonsamuels wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
wow. Where’s jewbaca?
[/quote]

Rape by deception is also the law in most states in the USA.

Typically, it’s not used much, but there was one recent case where an identical twin screwed his twin brother’s wife, claiming to be his brother back from Iraq after being gone six months.

So, be careful all you wanna-be George Castanzas (who pretended to be an archetect) — it’s the law here, too.[/quote]

Which states have this on the books, I seriously would like to know. Here in Texas, we do not. To get sexual assault it would take force, coercion, threat, chemical means used, etc.

The example you gave of the twins doesn’t compare well to the Arab. In his case he was misrepresenting one part of his personality, no different than saying, yes, I’m a doctor, lawyer, senators son, etc. In the case of the twins, the guy stole the identity of another person to have sex. He misrepresented who he was entirely. A big difference I think.

[/quote]

I don’t know the sexual assault law in Texas (and I am a business lawyer, not a criminal lawyer), but, typically “sexual assault” is defined as touching or being touched with various parts of the body “for the purpose of sexual gratification WITHOUT CONSENT.”

Consent can be coerced by lots of things ---- force, threat of force, drugs, and even lies.

It’s a species of “assault.”

Another classic example of sexual assault by-false-pretenses that fits the fake-Jew story is the “fake gynological exam” or “fake doctor” or “unnecessary gynological exam” by creepy doctor or “my your finger is big” exam.

There’s even been ones where guys fake cancer, etc.[/quote]

There have been cases where a woman asserts she was raped by her “gynecologist” after finding out he is NOT an MD.

Also, the Arab man DID misrepresent himself in entirety because he said he was Jewish. It doesn’t matter how he misrepresented himself, the fact is he still did it. In the case of the twin brothers, the one twin didn’t “steal” an identity, he just misrepresented himself as his twin. It doesn’t say much about the women in either matter, the Jewish woman haveng sex the first day she meets a guy and the wife not being able to tell her husband apart from his brother.
[/quote]

So you’re saying any misrepresentation on the part of a guy could be considered deception, maybe a form of coercion, and thus rape. I think that’s a real stretch legally. Lying about your entire identity is a much bigger step than lying about what church you go to, your job, etc.

And in all seriousness could a guy say the same if he found out some misrepresentation on the part of a woman? He sleeps with her, later finds out she’s married. Or she said she was a virgin and wasn’t. or finds out she used to be a he.
[/quote]

I would have to say it’s situational. In a country like Israel, which was founded to give a religious group a homeland, which no other religion has, lying about being Jewish to get laid might be grounds for rape. In most other countries it would be seen as ridiculous, but when dealing with Jews and Muslims…nothing is considered ridiculous, it’s all considered deadly serious.[/quote]

Religion isn’t what’s an issue[to the court], fraud is. I recall of a man who was charged with fraud[in Israel] for telling a woman he’s some sort of surgeon just to persuade her to sleep with him, the man is essentially guilty of the same crime[deceiving the woman to sleep with him]. However, the real question is whether she’d take action against him if he weren’t Arab.

I think the law or laws are too ambiguous, it could practically allow anyone to be charged with fraud or rape by deception.

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dude-dilly squat wrote:
Are the Jews the most hated people?

Everybody hates the Jews right?

Also, I am 25% Jew. But I had a friend say that saying you are 25% Jew is like saying you are 25% black.

I found this very funny because it’s so insulting on so many levels.[/quote]

No, Americans are the most hated people.[/quote]

I thought it was the french. Even the french hate the french.[/quote]

It’s my impression that outside of the Americas all countries hate us except Israel and Great Britain.[/quote]

Brits hate you as well :slight_smile:

Hey so can I claim rape on the various ugly birds I slept with whilst drunk for decieving me into thinking they were hot?

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Hey so can I claim rape on the various ugly birds I slept with whilst drunk for decieving me into thinking they were hot?[/quote]

hey I wonder if it works both ways.

If you haven’t heard by now you haven’t been paying attention

caveat emptor. or summat like that.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Hey so can I claim rape on the various ugly birds I slept with whilst drunk for decieving me into thinking they were hot?[/quote]

hey I wonder if it works both ways.

If you haven’t heard by now you haven’t been paying attention

caveat emptor. or summat like that.[/quote]

Caveat fututor surely.