[quote]Taquito wrote:
Bodybuilding gets one chance at an offshoot.I believe the offshoot is muscle fetish porn. It doesn’t deserve another chance.[/quote]
hahahah
There used to be a competition called, I believe, the Iron Man, on the boardwalk in Jersey during the summer. In it, people competed in the three power lifts and then posed down.
Why all the homo posts on this thread?? I think a competition that includes both physique and athletic/strength skills would be great! Form and function - something I thought most guys on T-Nation would be all about. The reaction to this thread is puzzling.
I believe there is some sort of Tri-Fitness contest for women along these lines, but I don’t know much about it. I think it has a physique round, an timed obstacle course event and some lifting events. Sounds cool to me!
yeah i dont know why everyone has to jump all over the kid. Can you really make a sport with a bunch of oiled up men posing on stage in speedos more gay? please tell me how thats possible.
It’s easy, just add dancing.
Uh huh… do the Carlton!
[quote]bears wrote:
yeah i dont know why everyone has to jump all over the kid. Can you really make a sport with a bunch of oiled up men posing on stage in speedos more gay? please tell me how thats possible. [/quote]
[quote]Jillybop wrote:
Why all the homo posts on this thread??
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I think the real question would be, why have so many insecure guys logged onto this site lately.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Jillybop wrote:
Why all the homo posts on this thread??
I think the real question would be, why have so many insecure guys logged onto this site lately. [/quote]
Lately???
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Jillybop wrote:
Why all the homo posts on this thread??
I think the real question would be, why have so many insecure guys logged onto this site lately. [/quote]
Good point 
Great. Another thread started by someone who will never be big because he doesn’t have the guts; and thus he bashes bodybuilders.
Who, other than a few 160 lb. fanboys, do you think you are fooling?
Here is what I don’t get: Why so catty about bodybuilders? I myself will never be a bodybuilder. I do not want to be. At one phase in my life and I did and was big. I liked it. But now I train for something else. I am cool with that.
I am small by bodybuilding standards but a) still bigger than most of the people who post here here (this is shameful as my goal is not to be big; so anyone I outweigh is a disgrace) and b) completely comfortable in my skin. I feel no need to bash bodybuilders.
Find out your own goals and do what is best for you. Sitting around bashing bodybuilders is just lame and betrays a little man complex.
I don’t know if you have it in US but in Europe we have “classic bodybuilding”. These guys aren’t big compared to regular bodybuilders. They have weight limit depending on their height. For example you are 6 ft = your maximum contest weight can be 189 lbs. Maybe this is figure men you mean ?
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Great. Another thread started by someone who will never be big because he doesn’t have the guts; and thus he bashes bodybuilders.
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You are, and will always be, a loser.
When did I ever bash bodybuilders on this thread? Did I say they weren’t functional? Did I say they sucked? No, I never said anything like that.
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Who, other than a few 160 lb. fanboys, do you think you are fooling? [/quote]
Fooling? There used to be a lifting component in physique contests. This isn’t my opinion, its a fact.
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Here is what I don’t get: Why so catty about bodybuilders? [/quote]
Here is what I don’t get: Why have you never learned how to read? Aren’t you a lawyer? Where did I criticize bodybuilders ANYWHERE on this thread? Better yet, where have I ever criticized bodybuilders in ANY of my posts?
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I myself will never be a bodybuilder. I do not want to be. At one phase in my life and I did and was big. I liked it. But now I train for something else. I am cool with that.
I am small by bodybuilding standards but a) still bigger than most of the people who post here here (this is shameful as my goal is not to be big; so anyone I outweigh is a disgrace) [/quote]
Ah, the old, “If they drive slow than me they are idiots, and if they drive faster than me they are crazy” attitude.
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and b) completely comfortable in my skin. I feel no need to bash bodybuilders.
Find out your own goals and do what is best for you. Sitting around bashing bodybuilders is just lame and betrays a little man complex.[/quote]
First of all I’m not a little man.
Secondly, when did I bash bodybuilders?
Please point to it.
Actually, I’m curious to see how you’re going to twist anything I’ve said to prove your point.
Seriously, all kidding aside, I think you have some serious issues. I’ve noticed that you constantly look at others profiles “trying” to dig “dirt” on them and humiliate them.
I find this behavior odd coming from someone who won’t posts pictures of themselves or give the name of his MMA school when the topic comes up.
Now, I’m not saying everyone has to posts pictures, but if you’re the type to go around and try to discredit others - it would help your cause.
Hi xxMAGxx,
Personally I think that adding a lifting component to a men’s physique competition (or re-instating a lifting component) would be an intersting idea. I’m not so sure it would have much of an effect on the types of physiques you’d get though. As I highly doubt that someone with a physique like Exile-Swede’s could bench, squat or deadlift anywhere near what Ronnie Coleman can bench, squat, or DL.
Now, as Professor X pointed out, there would probably be a noticeable reduction in definition, as having 3% body fat and dehydrating oneself to increase definition aren’t really conducive to lifting heavy weights. But, as far as overall size goes and getting away from the whole “mass monster” look that is prevalent at the top of the sport today (which is what I took your original post to be suggesting) I doubt there would be much of a change.
Now, of course if you added a different type of exercise component (and maybe even kept the lifting component too) then this may change the types of physiques you’d see. For instance a strength endurance contest (kind of like the one Exile-Swede described), or an agility component (something like the “Ninja Warrior” obstacle course) would probably drastically change the types of physiques that you’d see.
I think though that just like there are Women’s Olympia, fitness, and figure competitions; that they should still keep the Mr. O and just also add a seperate contest for the more fitness based competitors. I believe they actually used to have a Men’s Fitness Olympia contest. Though I don’t know if it still exists.
Good training,
Sentoguy
Sentoguy,
Thanks for the reply.
Yeah, somewhere along the line I think people thought that my original post on this thread was started to propose to get away from the current Mr. O “look”.
That wasn’t the goal.
Current bodybuilding is fine as is.
The reason why I started this thread was because of Exile-Swede’s thread where he described a local competition where they also performed chins and dips; and I thought that was a cool ideal. I compared it to “figure competitions” because there has been a lot of articles about them here lately and I thought they had similarities.
As far as the larger competitors still winning these events if they existed - that’s fine with me. I wasn’t proposing the idea to give “small guys” a better shot at winning. 
Heck, I wouldn’t event know which events I would include if I were to create such a competition.
[quote]XxMAGxX wrote:
Sentoguy,
Thanks for the reply.
Yeah, somewhere along the line I think people thought that my original post on this thread was started to propose to get away from the current Mr. O “look”.
That wasn’t the goal.
Current bodybuilding is fine as is.
The reason why I started this thread was because of Exile-Swede’s thread where he described a local competition where they also performed chins and dips; and I thought that was a cool ideal. I compared it to “figure competitions” because there has been a lot of articles about them here lately and I thought they had similarities.
As far as the larger competitors still winning these events if they existed - that’s fine with me. I wasn’t proposing the idea to give “small guys” a better shot at winning.
Heck, I wouldn’t event know which events I would include if I were to create such a competition.
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Hi XxMAGxX,
Sorry for the misinterpretation.
Yeah, I read Exile-Swede’s post as well, and I too like the idea of having some sort of performance component in a physique contest.
The reason I thought that you were talking about getting away from the current Mr. O look is because, at least in my opinion, the figure competitors are much more about aesthetic appeal, whereas the Ms. O competitors are all about who can put on the most mass.
Many people these days (myself included) find the Ms. O competitors anything but aesthetically pleasing and feel that the Figure competitors should be how the Ms. O should look like. And likewise, many people feel the same way about the current Mr. O competitors.
So, I assumed (which was my mistake) that you were comparing this scenario that the one just described. In other words that the current Mr. O look wasn’t aesthetically pleasing, and that there should be a men’s physique contest that did contain aesthetically pleasing physiques.
Once again. I realize now that my conclusions were based on false assumptions and were incorrect.
Sorry for the confusion.
Good training,
Sentoguy
The original poster has a good point, or at least alludes to similar thoughts I’ve had.
The focus of bodybuilding these days is to achieve mass and size so freakishly huge that aesthetics is virtually gone from the equation. Fat percentages are so low and muscles are developed so far past any kind of natural-looking shape that some of these guys look like weird science experiments or space aliens.
Bodybuilding is very accessible to almost all normal guys looking to improve their fitness quotient. Everyone can get some sort of muscular development from the exercises and nutrition advice available on this site. But, if all they have to look at as “ideals” are theses bulbous space aliens, then they may give up the sport altogether.
A less freakish male “Fitness Competitor” in competitions with a lifting component may create a class of bodybuilder that is more “reachable” by the common fitness seeker.
As for all the “homo” derision in this thread, I have two things to say:
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If any of you manly heteros think that there isn’t just a hint of homoeroticism in ALL bodybuilding, then you’re either in denial, or you’re blind.
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All of the “homo” crap and flaming of the original poster are just the type of conduct leading TC to make permanent changes to the site that may very well diminish its interest and functionality. See TC’s post at http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1520566
Thanks, guys.
[quote]jgundrey wrote:
The original poster has a good point, or at least alludes to similar thoughts I’ve had.
The focus of bodybuilding these days is to achieve mass and size so freakishly huge that aesthetics is virtually gone from the equation. Fat percentages are so low and muscles are developed so far past any kind of natural-looking shape that some of these guys look like weird science experiments or space aliens.
Bodybuilding is very accessible to almost all normal guys looking to improve their fitness quotient. Everyone can get some sort of muscular development from the exercises and nutrition advice available on this site. But, if all they have to look at as “ideals” are theses bulbous space aliens, then they may give up the sport altogether.
A less freakish male “Fitness Competitor” in competitions with a lifting component may create a class of bodybuilder that is more “reachable” by the common fitness seeker.
As for all the “homo” derision in this thread, I have two things to say:
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If any of you manly heteros think that there isn’t just a hint of homoeroticism in ALL bodybuilding, then you’re either in denial, or you’re blind.
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All of the “homo” crap and flaming of the original poster are just the type of conduct leading TC to make permanent changes to the site that may very well diminish its interest and functionality. See TC’s post at http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1520566
Thanks, guys.[/quote]
If we’re talking about mixing a lifting/strongman element into standard bodybuidling all Sandow like, then that’s all fine and good and would stand a good chance of generating interest in the sport. What generated the barrage of “homo” remarks was the description as a men’s version of figure or later, fitness comps.
What would a men’s figure or fitness comp look like? In the first case it would be the 160lb kids trying to look like Brad Pitt in fight club while in the later case it would be men’s aerobics as someone else mentioned. Either way, and I say this without pejorative intent believe it or not, you would have a twink pageant or a dancing twink show.
While this may be perfectly fine and fun for the participents and the audience alike, it would do nothing to popularize or legitimize bodybuilding in the main stream.
So in short, the OP’s choice of words was unfortunate, but whatever.
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[quote]etaco wrote:
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LMFAO
Definitely NOT what I had in mind!
[quote]etaco wrote:
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
OMG that was priceless!
etaco:
I generally agree with your assessment. Yours is not the tone I was criticizing.
I guess what concerns me is the “reductio ad absurdum” (reduction to the absurd) going on in the earlier parts of this thread by others.
A guy suggests a non-freak bodybuilding competition, and the responses forcefully conclude that even the slightest let-up on that “freak factor” will cause the whole sport will instantly degrade into a gay spandex twink competition.
The Youtube video was pretty funny, and neither I - nor the OP, I’m sure - had that in mind.
I just wish that, in general, rebuttals were more proportional and reasonable to posters’ initial statements.
The CHIPs picture with “HOMO HOMO” in it is great for MySpace and fark.com comment sections. But it drives the quality of these boards down and negatively impacts the site, as described by the site owner in the link I posted above.