Malaysian Flight, Crashed Plane?

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
True, but jets are wildly inefficient at low altitude. You would lose a ton of range .[/quote]

Well, they may have not gotten that far. Another theory is that the Chinese accidently shot it down and threw that wreck-debris satellite pictures to keep everyone busy for a couple of days.

In the end, if this goes another week and they don’t find it, chances are slim of ever admitting that it has been found. Blame it on a rogue captain with a fanatical t-shirt on and the rest of the world is off the hook.

(Reuters) - Whether by accident or design, whoever reached across the dimly lit cockpit of a Malaysia Airlines jet and clicked off a transponder to make Flight MH370 vanish from controllers’ radars flew into a navigational and technical black hole.

By choosing one place and time to vanish into radar darkness with 238 others on board, the person - presumed to be a pilot or a passenger with advanced knowledge - may have acted only after meticulous planning, according to aviation experts.

Understanding the sequence that led to the unprecedented plane hunt widening across two vast tracts of territory north and south of the Equator is key to grasping the motives of what Malaysian authorities suspect was hijacking or sabotage.

By signing off from Malaysian airspace at 1.19 a.m. on March 8 with a casual “all right, good night,” rather than the crisp radio drill advocated in pilot training, a person now believed to be the co-pilot gave no hint of anything unusual.

Two minutes later, at 1.21 a.m. local time, the transponder - a device identifying jets to ground controllers - was turned off in a move that experts say could reveal a careful sequence.

“Every action taken by the person who was piloting the aircraft appears to be a deliberate one. It is almost like a pilot’s checklist,” said one senior captain from an Asian carrier with experience of jets including the Boeing 777.

There is so far no indication whether the co-pilot was at fault or had anything to do with turning off the transponder. Pilots say the usual industry convention is that the pilot not directly responsible for flying the plane talks on the radio.

Police have searched the premises of both the captain and co-pilot and are checking the backgrounds of all passengers.

Whoever turned the transponder to “off”, whether or not the move was deliberate, did so at a vulnerable point between two airspace sectors when Malaysian and Vietnamese controllers could easily assume the airplane was each others’ responsibility.

“The predictable effect was to delay the raising of the alarm by either party,” David Learmount, operations and safety editor at Flight International, wrote in an industry blog.

That mirrors delays in noticing something was wrong when an Air France jet disappeared over the Atlantic in 2009 with 228 people on board, a gap blamed on confusion between controllers.

Yet whereas the Rio-Paris disaster was later traced to pilot error, the suspected kidnapping of MH370’s passengers and crew was carried out with either skill or bizarre coincidences.

Whether or not pilots knew it, the jet was just then in a technically obscure sweet spot, according to a top radar expert.

Air traffic controllers use secondary radar which works by talking to the transponder. Some air traffic control systems also blend in some primary radar, which uses a simple echo.

But primary radar signals fade faster than secondary ones, meaning even a residual blip would have vanished for controllers and even military radar may have found it difficult to identify the 777 from other ghostly blips, said radar expert Hans Weber.

“Turning off the transponder indicates this person was highly trained,” said Weber, of consultancy TECOP International.

NOT IN THE MANUAL

The overnight flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur is packed year-round with business people, Chinese tourists and students, attracted in part by code-sharing deals, regular travelers say.

The lockdown of MH370 may have begun as early as 40 minutes into the flight at a point when meals are being hurriedly served in time to get trays cleared and lights dimmed for the night.

“It was a red-eye flight. Most people - the passengers and the crew - just want to rest,” a Malaysia Airlines stewardess said. “Unless there was a reason to panic, if someone had taken control of the aircraft, they would not have noticed anything.”

At some point between 1.07 a.m. and 1.37 a.m., investigators believe someone switched off another system called ACARS designed to transmit maintenance data back to the ground.

While unusual, this may not necessarily raise alarms at the airline and the passengers would not have known that something was amiss, said some of the six pilots contacted by Reuters, none of whom agreed to be identified because of company rules.

“Occasionally, there are gaps in the communications systems and the guys in ground operations may not think much of it initially. It would be a while before they try to find out what was wrong,” said one captain with an Asian carrier.

Cutting the datalink would not have been easy. Instructions are not in the Flight Crew Operating Manual, one pilot said.

Whoever did so may have had to climb through a trap door in full view of cabin crew, people familiar with the jet say.

Circuit-breakers used to disable the system are in a bay reached through a hatch in the floor next to the lefthand front exit, close to a galley used to prepare meals.

Most pilots said it would be impossible to turn off ACARS from inside the cockpit, though two people did not rule it out.

Malaysia Airlines said 14 minutes elapsed between the last ACARS message and the transponder shutdown that - in the growing view of officials - confirmed a fully loaded jet was on the run. The ACARS must have been disabled within 16 minutes after that.

In the meantime a voice believed to be that of the co-pilot issued the last words from MH370 and the transponder went dead.

HIDING IN FULL VIEW?

The northeast-bound jet now took a northwestern route from Kota Bahru in eastern Malaysia to Penang Island. It was last detected on military radar around 200 miles northwest of Penang.

Even that act of going off course may not have caused alarm at first if it was handled gradually, pilots said.

“Nobody pays attention to these things unless they are aware of the direction that the aircraft was heading in,” said one first officer who has flown with Malaysia Airlines.

The airline said it had reconstructed the event in a simulator to try to figure out how the jet vanished and kept flying for what may have been more than seven hours.

Pilots say whoever was then in control may have kept the radio on in silent mode to hear what was going on around him, but would have avoided restarting the transponder at all costs.

“That would immediately make the aircraft visible … like a bright light. Your registration, height, altitude and speed would all become visible,” said an airline captain.

After casting off its identity, the aircraft set investigators a puzzle that has yet to be solved. It veered either northwards or southwards, within an hour’s flying time of arcs stretching from the Caspian to the southern Indian Ocean.

The best way to avoid the attention of military radars would have been to fly at a fixed altitude, on a recognized flight path and at cruising speed without changing course, pilots say.

Malaysian officials dismissed as speculation reports that the jet may have flown at low altitude to avoid detection.

But pilots said the best chance of feeling its way through the well-defended northern route would have been to hide in full view of military radar inside commercial lanes - raising awkward questions over security in several parts of the Asia-Pacific.

“The military radar controllers would have seen him moving on a fixed line, figured that it was a commercial aircraft at a high altitude, and not really a danger especially if he was on a recognized flight path,” said one pilot.

“Some countries would ask you to identify yourself, but you are flying through the night and that is the time when the least attention is being paid to unidentified aircraft. As long as the aircraft is not flying towards a military target or point, they may not bother with you.”

Although investigators refused on Monday to be drawn into theories, few in the industry believe a 250-tonne passenger jet could run amok globally without expert skills or preparation.

“Whoever did this must have had lots of aircraft knowledge, would have deliberately planned this, had nerves of steel to be confident enough to get through primary radar without being detected and been confident enough to control an aircraft full of people,” a veteran airline captain told Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/17/us-malaysia-airlines-disappearance-insig-idUSBREA2G14020140317

Courtney Love thinks she might have found it

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/courtney-love-thinks-she-may-have-found-missing-malaysian-plane-20140317

Okay, here’s how it went down. It was a pilot suicide passenger mass homicide. The pilot was in court that morning in a bitter custody dispute with his estranged wife and he lost.

The flight starts out normal enough, but at some point early on he quietly switches off the transponder and disposes of his co-pilot just prior to what would be the hand-off to Vietnam ATC. He gets out of his seat at some point on a believable pretext and strangles the co-pilot.

Next, he climbs to 45,000 feet, depressurizes the cabin and puts on his oxygen mask. Most passengers die quietly in their sleep within a few minutes. He goes back down to a much lower altitude, plots an autopilot course using normal flight paths and hits his waypoints only hanging a left shortly after crossing back over Malaysia, traveling due south.

He avoids being caught on radar to give him time to pull off the deed, puts the puppy on a gentle course of decreasing altitude so it runs out of fuel and goes into the Indian Ocean in one piece. He may have left a suicide note and taken an overdose of sleeping pills or narcotics.

That’s it in a nutshell and I dare anyone to dispute it. The plane may never be found as it rests in 12,000 feet of water.

[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
Okay, here’s how it went down. It was a pilot suicide passenger mass homicide. The pilot was in court that morning in a bitter custody dispute with his estranged wife and he lost.

The flight starts out normal enough, but at some point early on he quietly switches off the transponder and disposes of his co-pilot just prior to what would be the hand-off to Vietnam ATC. He gets out of his seat at some point on a believable pretext and strangles the co-pilot.

Next, he climbs to 45,000 feet, depressurizes the cabin and puts on his oxygen mask. Most passengers die quietly in their sleep within a few minutes. He goes back down to a much lower altitude, plots an autopilot course using normal flight paths and hits his waypoints only hanging a left shortly after crossing back over Malaysia, traveling due south.

He avoids being caught on radar to give him time to pull off the deed, puts the puppy on a gentle course of decreasing altitude so it runs out of fuel and goes into the Indian Ocean in one piece. He may have left a suicide note and taken an overdose of sleeping pills or narcotics.

That’s it in a nutshell and I dare anyone to dispute it. The plane may never be found as it rests in 12,000 feet of water.[/quote]

Too complicated. Why not kill the co-pilot and kamikaze that bitch.

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
Okay, here’s how it went down. It was a pilot suicide passenger mass homicide. The pilot was in court that morning in a bitter custody dispute with his estranged wife and he lost.

The flight starts out normal enough, but at some point early on he quietly switches off the transponder and disposes of his co-pilot just prior to what would be the hand-off to Vietnam ATC. He gets out of his seat at some point on a believable pretext and strangles the co-pilot.

Next, he climbs to 45,000 feet, depressurizes the cabin and puts on his oxygen mask. Most passengers die quietly in their sleep within a few minutes. He goes back down to a much lower altitude, plots an autopilot course using normal flight paths and hits his waypoints only hanging a left shortly after crossing back over Malaysia, traveling due south.

He avoids being caught on radar to give him time to pull off the deed, puts the puppy on a gentle course of decreasing altitude so it runs out of fuel and goes into the Indian Ocean in one piece. He may have left a suicide note and taken an overdose of sleeping pills or narcotics.

That’s it in a nutshell and I dare anyone to dispute it. The plane may never be found as it rests in 12,000 feet of water.[/quote]

Too complicated. Why not kill the co-pilot and kamikaze that bitch.[/quote]

He wanted to take great measures that the plane wouldn’t be found, keeping his family guessing.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Examiner is back - Examiner.com

Has flight 370 landed? In a new breaking report out by KOS March 15, the Malayasian PM announced in a press conference that Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was not only deliberately hijacked, but that it landed at a specific spot in Central Asia.

According to the latest report, the most suspect area in question is “Kyrgyzstan and the province of Xinjiang, which is home to the Uyghurs:” This is making investigators ponder, "Is this is the territory where flight 370 landed?

This was said in the press conference:

"From this point onwards, the Royal Malaysian Air Force primary radar showed that an aircraft which was believed?but not confirmed?to be MH370 did indeed turn back. It then flew in a westerly direction back over peninsular Malaysia before turning northwest. Up until the point at which it left military primary radar coverage, these movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane.

“Today, based on raw satellite data that was obtained from the satellite data service provider, we can confirm that the aircraft shown in the primary radar data was flight MH370. After much forensic work and deliberation, the FAA, NTSB, AAIB and the Malaysian authorities, working separately on the same data, concur.”

Krgyzstan is where violent separatists of the Uyghur movement is most “active.” It was two weeks ago they were in the news for a knife attack at a train station, killing 29 people.

If flight 370 landed somewhere with a short runway or rough surface, the Boeing 777 is said to be capable of handling it.

As it stands now, MH370 is believed to have landed somewhere around the Chinese/Kyrgyz border.

It has been a whole week since the Malaysian plane went missing. Relatives are in hysterics and so many questions are unanswered. Are their loved ones alive? Who would have hijacked the jetliner? As investigators continue combing over this mystery, everyone holds on to hope that we will soon know what happened. Are they getting closer to knowing where flight 370 landed?[/quote]

Interesting. My China friends were just discussing whether the recent Kunming Massacre was related to this.

[quote]beachguy498 wrote:

That’s it in a nutshell and I dare anyone to dispute it. The plane may never be found as it rests in 12,000 feet of water.[/quote]

Well, the first part of your story (being in court for a bitter custody dispute) is either a fact or not. I hadn’t heard that at all. I had heard he was in court to see the trial of the gov’t opposition leader.

Your theory is as good as anyone elses right now.

Except, “aliens”. That’s still a lousy theory.

Zombies

Malaysia Airlines Mystery Deepens After Top Disease Experts Rushed To Indian Ocean

A grim report prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is stating today that within 24-hours of this aircrafts ?diversion? to the highly secretive Indian Ocean US military base located on the Diego Garcia atoll, no less than four flights, within the past week, containing top American and Chinese disease scientists and experts have, likewise, been flown to there.
According to this report, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (also marketed as China Southern Airlines flight 748 through a codeshare) was a scheduled passenger flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China, when on 8 March this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft ?disappeared? in flight with 227 passengers on board from 15 countries, most of whom were Chinese, and 12 crew members.

As we had previously noted in our report ?Russia ?Puzzled? Over Malaysia Airlines ?Capture? By US Navy,? the GRU had previously notified China?s Ministry of State Security (MSS) of its suspicions regarding this flight due its containing a ?highly suspicious? cargo that had been offloaded in the Republic of Seychelles from the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

First arousing the GRU?s concerns regarding this ?highly suspicious? cargo, this report continues, was that after its unloading from the MV Maersk Alabama on 17 February, its then transfer to Seychelles International Airport where it was loaded on an Emirates flight bound for Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia, after first stopping over in Dubai, the two highly trained US Navy SEALS who were guarding it were found dead.

The two US Navy SEALS protecting this ?highly suspicious? cargo, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under ?suspicious circumstances? aboard the MV Maersk Alabama, this report says, further raising Russian intelligence suspicions as they were both employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL?s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.
Upon Flight 370?s departure from Malaysia on 8 March, this report continues, the GRU was notified by the MSS that they were going to divert it from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island).

Prior to this planes entering into People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, however, this report continues, Flight 370 ?significantly deviated? from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.
In a confirmation of the GRU?s assertion that Flight 370 was, indeed, flown to Diego Garcia, this report says, satellite transmission data analyzed by US investigators showed that this planes most likely last-known position was in a zone about 1,609 kilometers (1,000 miles) west of Perth, Australia in the Indian Ocean…

Most troubling to the GRU about Flight 370?s ?diversion? to Diego Garcia, this report says, was that it was ?nearly immediately? followed by some of the top disease scientists and experts from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CCDCP) embarking to Diego Garcia on at least four flights.
As to why both American and Chinese disease experts were taken to Diego Garcia where Flight 370 is now known to be, this report says, has as yet not been answered by either of these governments after repeated Foreign Ministry requests for ?explanations and clarification.?

What is to be known, this report says, is that as Malaysia has been forced to admit Flight 370 was, indeed, ?diverted? from its flight path as the GRU had previously reported, and as at least 25 nations are now involved in searching for it, it remains a mystery as to what is actually occurring.
Also known, this report concludes, is that Diego Garcia as a designated ETOPS emergency landing site for flight planning purposes of commercial airliners transversing the Indian Ocean, and as one of 33 emergency landing sites worldwide for the NASA Space Shuttle, it is ?inconceivable? that any type of aircraft, let alone Flight 370, can fly anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere without being tracked, monitored and recorded in totality.

The pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah supported political opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, whose recent court hearing about reversing an acquittal of charges, could be a reason for why this plane was possibly hijacked.

They quickly learned?as no doubt all of Shah?s friends knew?that the pilot was a strong supporter of Anwar Ibrahim?s People?s Justice Party. Indeed, Shah is believed to have attended Anwar?s court hearing on March 7 that overturned his 2012 acquittal on sodomy charges, a politically motivated case that the Malaysian government typically dusts off around election time. On Sunday, the U.K. and Malaysian press treated the revelation with the shock you might reserve for damning evidence. Shah was described?by an unnamed source?as a ?fanatical supporter of the country?s opposition leader.? Elsewhere, he is described (apparently by unnamed police sources) as ?fervent? and ?strident? in his political convictions. More than a week after the Boeing 777 disappeared, we lack a motive, a clear suspect, or even a crime scene, but we have our ?Anwar Ibrahim connection.? That is Malaysian politics.

There’s a possible alternative here. Not as sexy though.

^ Yeah, I’m not sure why that would cause you to hijack a plane, though, and not tell anyone about it. Can’t really send a message with no message.

The “opposition” leader was a pro-democracy candidate who was getting railroaded on a sodomy charge that he was acquitted for in 2011.

I’m definitely inclined to believe something like that, rather than these other theories. They just seem too far-fetched for me. My gut feeling is that it has ditched in the sea somewhere. I could easily be wrong though.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
There’s a possible alternative here. Not as sexy though.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/[/quote]

Except the plane was still flying hours later. The plane’s turns were programmed into autopilot, they weren’t made manually. If there’s a fire aboard, the first thing the pilot does is pull the breakers to attempt to isolate the source. No electrical, no autopilot.

Edit: I believe that post first came out 4 days ago. The author has since said that it is less likely as new info had been released.

It was determined that the pilot loaded 5 runways in the Indian Ocean in his flight simulator.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It was determined that the pilot loaded 5 runways in the Indian Ocean in his flight simulator.[/quote]

Hmmmmmmm…

Missing Malaysian jetliner: Maldives islanders saw ‘low flying plane’

NEW DELHI: As multiple nations search for the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 frantically, reports are emerging that the plane was spotted by some people near the Maldivian islands.

Maldivian news website Haveeru reported that residents of the remote Maldives island of Kuda Huvadhoo in Dhaal Atoll said they saw a “low-flying jumbo jet” around 6.15am (Maldivian time) on March 8, the day when the flight disappeared. It also said the residents reported that that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it like the planes operated by Malaysia Airlines.

Haveeru quoted an eyewitness as saying: “I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly.”

The eyewitness said many other people on the island have also seen the plane.

The missing Malaysia Airlines jet’s abrupt U-turn was programmed into the on-board computer well before the co-pilot calmly signed off with air traffic controllers, sources tell NBC News.

The change in direction was made at least 12 minutes before co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid said “All right, good night,” to controllers on the ground, the sources said.

The revelation further indicates that the aircraft’s mysterious turnaround was planned and executed in the cockpit before controllers lost contact with Flight 370. But it doesn’t necessarily indicate an ulterior motive.

The burning tire theory has merit, with 3 people in the cockpit, surely someone would have called in a mayday even if it took a few seconds? I like the 45,000 feet climb to try to snuff the fire out, pretty ingenious… especially if it worked. Still far fetched it could have still been a ghost ship until it ran out of fuel with all on board dead or close to dead.

[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
The burning tire theory has merit, with 3 people in the cockpit, surely someone would have called in a mayday even if it took a few seconds? I like the 45,000 feet climb to try to snuff the fire out, pretty ingenious… especially if it worked. Still far fetched it could have still been a ghost ship until it ran out of fuel with all on board dead or close to dead.

[/quote]

But a rapid climb to 45000 feet would create enough G forces that everybody would be pinned to their seats unable to even life their arm to press a button. There’s also a fire extinguisher which would be first choice. No, this is another one of those ‘good’ Muslims; like the one who crashed Air Egypt.

Black box:

co-polit: What are you doing?

pilot: (silence)

co-pilot: What are doing?

pilot: Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
The burning tire theory has merit, with 3 people in the cockpit, surely someone would have called in a mayday even if it took a few seconds? I like the 45,000 feet climb to try to snuff the fire out, pretty ingenious… especially if it worked. Still far fetched it could have still been a ghost ship until it ran out of fuel with all on board dead or close to dead.

[/quote]

But a rapid climb to 45000 feet would create enough G forces that everybody would be pinned to their seats unable to even life their arm to press a button. There’s also a fire extinguisher which would be first choice. No, this is another one of those ‘good’ Muslims; like the one who crashed Air Egypt.

Black box:

co-polit: What are you doing?

pilot: (silence)

co-pilot: What are doing?

pilot: Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar![/quote]

Only problem is that a burning tire isn’t going to be accessible with a fire extinguisher, especially if it leads to an electrical fire in the planes “guts”.