Malaysian Flight, Crashed Plane?

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That hijacking for later use is pretty scary. The cargo capacity of those things is pretty damn big. Stripped down of accessories and filled with it’s max capacity of explosives it would be a devastating weapon. I can’t really conceive of the damage that would do.

The planes that hit the twin towers and pentagon were only carrying their fuel allocation.
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It wouldn’t hit any targets in the US because it would get shot down. The only reason the 911 planes were able to do what they did was because they were authorized flights.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That hijacking for later use is pretty scary. The cargo capacity of those things is pretty damn big. Stripped down of accessories and filled with it’s max capacity of explosives it would be a devastating weapon. I can’t really conceive of the damage that would do.

The planes that hit the twin towers and pentagon were only carrying their fuel allocation.
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It wouldn’t hit any targets in the US because it would get shot down. The only reason the 911 planes were able to do what they did was because they were authorized flights. [/quote]

It may not have anything to do with the US, I just find the whole idea to be both completely insane but entirely possible.

Also, we do have some pretty large interests like military bases and other institutions outside of our borders. Even if we aren’t a target at all, hitting a very large oil refinery or shipping depot would be like a biblical sized catastrophe. Some of the major cities of Asia have astronomical population density (compared to U.S. cities). Flying something like that into the center of Tokyo would be- I don’t even have words to describe evil.

edit: As an afterthought-Lets say you are an Asian terrorist group and want to do some harm. What do you suppose would wreak massive disruption in every possible way, quite literally bringing a country like China to it’s knees?

How about a jumbo jet full of several hundred thousand lbs. of high explosives flown full speed into the Three Gorges Hydroelectric Damn?

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
You do realize that the planning and execution of 9/11 was years in the making and cost millions of dollars, coordinated by a well funded and pretty sophisticated group of people, right?

Flying those planes into the buildings was just a brief but very memorable part of the entire operation. [/quote]

Millions?

I know the operation was complicated and years in the making, but this seems to be on a completely different scale.

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If the plane is under wraps and still operational, where ever it’s going is going to be a relatively short hop. Any flight within that 2500 mile (or what number they like today) radius is going to be verified and re-verified until the fate of the plane is known.

If this is an operation on a 911 scale it will be scary especially if the plane can be made legit to a point where it can go to a 5000 + mile cruising range.

I keep going back to the Iranians with the stolen passports, besides us they have a few enemies out there. More so, they’re chummy with China and Russia.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
You do realize that the planning and execution of 9/11 was years in the making and cost millions of dollars, coordinated by a well funded and pretty sophisticated group of people, right?

Flying those planes into the buildings was just a brief but very memorable part of the entire operation. [/quote]

Millions?

I know the operation was complicated and years in the making, but this seems to be on a completely different scale.[/quote]

Yeah, millions. They had at least 20 operatives here, living and sent to schools across the country to learn to fly planes, up to and including commercial aircraft.

The Bin Laden family- Not really the bunch of dirty cave dwellers. Bin Laden family - Wikipedia

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Oh I know that Bin Laden’s family is filthy rich; I just didn’t know that it was upwards to millions.

Though, maybe when you say millions I’m thinking tens of millions when you really just mean millions.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That hijacking for later use is pretty scary. The cargo capacity of those things is pretty damn big. Stripped down of accessories and filled with it’s max capacity of explosives it would be a devastating weapon. I can’t really conceive of the damage that would do.

The planes that hit the twin towers and pentagon were only carrying their fuel allocation.
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It wouldn’t hit any targets in the US because it would get shot down. The only reason the 911 planes were able to do what they did was because they were authorized flights. [/quote]

It may not have anything to do with the US, I just find the whole idea to be both completely insane but entirely possible.

Also, we do have some pretty large interests like military bases and other institutions outside of our borders. Even if we aren’t a target at all, hitting a very large oil refinery or shipping depot would be like a biblical sized catastrophe. Some of the major cities of Asia have astronomical population density (compared to U.S. cities). Flying something like that into the center of Tokyo would be- I don’t even have words to describe evil.

edit: As an afterthought-Lets say you are an Asian terrorist group and want to do some harm. What do you suppose would wreak massive disruption in every possible way, quite literally bringing a country like China to it’s knees?

How about a jumbo jet full of several hundred thousand lbs. of high explosives flown full speed into the Three Gorges Hydroelectric Damn?

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After those Chinese knife attacks a few weeks ago I agree that China could be a more likely target than a western country. Also a majority of passengers were chinese. Would this really be the flight to steal if you were a terrorist having nothing to do with the Asia region?

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[quote]magick wrote:
Oh I know that Bin Laden’s family is filthy rich; I just didn’t know that it was upwards to millions.

Though, maybe when you say millions I’m thinking tens of millions when you really just mean millions.[/quote]

His fathers company had assets of at least 5b at one point but not sure what his personal worth value was. I’ve seen OBLs worth as high as 300m. It probably went down throughout the years since he was funding terrorism and I’m not aware of how he made any money while being the most wanted person in the world for so long.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
Oh I know that Bin Laden’s family is filthy rich; I just didn’t know that it was upwards to millions.

Though, maybe when you say millions I’m thinking tens of millions when you really just mean millions.[/quote]

His fathers company had assets of at least 5b at one point but not sure what his personal worth value was. I’ve seen OBLs worth as high as 300m. It probably went down throughout the years since he was funding terrorism and I’m not aware of how he made any money while being the most wanted person in the world for so long.[/quote]

Sorry, I meant the funds the terrorists used for the 9/11 operation (which I didn’t know came up to millions, though in hindsight housing 20 people and teaching 13 or so how to fly must have costed a helluva lot), not Bin Laden’s family money. I knew that they were one of the richest family in the entire world.

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Examiner is back - Examiner.com

Has flight 370 landed? In a new breaking report out by KOS March 15, the Malayasian PM announced in a press conference that Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was not only deliberately hijacked, but that it landed at a specific spot in Central Asia.

According to the latest report, the most suspect area in question is “Kyrgyzstan and the province of Xinjiang, which is home to the Uyghurs:” This is making investigators ponder, "Is this is the territory where flight 370 landed?

This was said in the press conference:

"From this point onwards, the Royal Malaysian Air Force primary radar showed that an aircraft which was believed?but not confirmed?to be MH370 did indeed turn back. It then flew in a westerly direction back over peninsular Malaysia before turning northwest. Up until the point at which it left military primary radar coverage, these movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane.

“Today, based on raw satellite data that was obtained from the satellite data service provider, we can confirm that the aircraft shown in the primary radar data was flight MH370. After much forensic work and deliberation, the FAA, NTSB, AAIB and the Malaysian authorities, working separately on the same data, concur.”

Krgyzstan is where violent separatists of the Uyghur movement is most “active.” It was two weeks ago they were in the news for a knife attack at a train station, killing 29 people.

If flight 370 landed somewhere with a short runway or rough surface, the Boeing 777 is said to be capable of handling it.

As it stands now, MH370 is believed to have landed somewhere around the Chinese/Kyrgyz border.

It has been a whole week since the Malaysian plane went missing. Relatives are in hysterics and so many questions are unanswered. Are their loved ones alive? Who would have hijacked the jetliner? As investigators continue combing over this mystery, everyone holds on to hope that we will soon know what happened. Are they getting closer to knowing where flight 370 landed?

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This shit is just crazy! I am so anxious, this plane needs to get found immediately.

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It could be in Asia on the ground, but how to hide a plane that big? The best way would to re-identify it and mix it in with other planes. Then what to do with 230ish passengers? Keeping them alive is a logistic mess especially if you have to feed them somewhat and take care of bathroom needs, etc. Some need to be kept alive as bargaining chips. Or maybe not.

One thing that has been totally discounted is the China Sea oil rig worker that saw something burning fall from the sky and the China debris pictures. Those 3 large items have never been located and identified?

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[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
It could be in Asia on the ground, but how to hide a plane that big? The best way would to re-identify it and mix it in with other planes. Then what to do with 230ish passengers? Keeping them alive is a logistic mess especially if you have to feed them somewhat and take care of bathroom needs, etc. Some need to be kept alive as bargaining chips. Or maybe not.

One thing that has been totally discounted is the China Sea oil rig worker that saw something burning fall from the sky and the China debris pictures. Those 3 large items have never been located and identified?[/quote]

They determined the oil worker didn’t see shit and whatever pics showed up on Chinese sattelite were nothing.

Once you get the plane on the ground, I can’t believe camo’ing it would be too difficult and dealing with passengers becomes infinitely easier once you have other people on the same side as the hijacker to help. Although, it’s very possible all the passengers are dead.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
It could be in Asia on the ground, but how to hide a plane that big? The best way would to re-identify it and mix it in with other planes. Then what to do with 230ish passengers? Keeping them alive is a logistic mess especially if you have to feed them somewhat and take care of bathroom needs, etc. Some need to be kept alive as bargaining chips. Or maybe not.

One thing that has been totally discounted is the China Sea oil rig worker that saw something burning fall from the sky and the China debris pictures. Those 3 large items have never been located and identified?[/quote]

They determined the oil worker didn’t see shit and whatever pics showed up on Chinese sattelite were nothing.

Once you get the plane on the ground, I can’t believe camo’ing it would be too difficult and dealing with passengers becomes infinitely easier once you have other people on the same side as the hijacker to help. Although, it’s very possible all the passengers are dead.
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Either cover the plane up or mix it in with other planes once it gets a new look? Easier to hide it with like-items than anything. Then they have to get it started and up again, which means a rudimentary ground crew and equipment.

I agree that the passengers are dead and the plane will be used on a short hop to do whatever they want to do with it. Unless they can disguise it electronically as well.

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This is awesome: http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

TLDR: Malaysian plane flew directly behind another 777 bound for Spain in order to remain invisible to radar. Broke off to land in one of the -stans or Chinese desert.

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I would be looking into the background of the pilots. IMO, the plane did not crash. No one has taken credit if it did, and nothing has washed or floated up.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
This is awesome: http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

TLDR: Malaysian plane flew directly behind another 777 bound for Spain in order to remain invisible to radar. Broke off to land in one of the -stans or Chinese desert.[/quote]

This was mentioned on CNN too. But the talking-head expert said it would have shown up as a bigger blip on the radar. Not necessarily so if MH370 was right on top of it?

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Yes and no.

There are 2 types of radar, primary and secondary. ATC uses secondary. It’s relatively weak but works well enough over long distances because it operates like a game of Marco Polo. The radar pings the transponder in the plane and the transponder replies with altitude, speed, direction, call letters, etc. No transponder, no blip on the radar.

Primary radar is strong enough to receive the echo back, but isn’t used by ATC. It’s used by the military and India has already said it’s only used intermittently along their border. I’m guessing unless Pakistan is rattling sabres, they just don’t bother.

I’m not enamored with the theory I posted so much as the work the guy put into supporting it.

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India has a serious military compared to most of the region (they buy tons of US planes, etc.). Circle up between India and Burma heading north and radar of any type is sporadic and often unmanned for large periods of time. In dark and flying low it would be relatively easy to sneak even something as big as a 777 in between the lines.

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True, but jets are wildly inefficient at low altitude. You would lose a ton of range .