[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Makavali you edited out half my response where I made points about comments you made and asked you questions. That is real weak of you.
I felt lazy.
EDIT: Also, a lot of this is personal. When you attack Islam, you attack a lot of my friends, who don’t resemble the people I’m sure you mean to attack.
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You are confusing Islam with people that happened to be born to a religion. Completely different things. Once you separate these things in your mind you will see more clearly.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
You are confusing Islam with people that happened to be born to a religion. Completely different things. Once you separate these things in your mind you will see more clearly.[/quote]
But wasn’t Osama and most of Al Qaeida born into Islam?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
You are confusing Islam with people that happened to be born to a religion. Completely different things. Once you separate these things in your mind you will see more clearly.
But wasn’t Osama and most of Al Qaeida born into Islam?[/quote]
So was Obama. So was my kids doctor. Obama rejected Islam completely. My kids doctor pays lip service to it much like most people pay lip service to their religions. Osama lives and breathes it.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
So was Obama. So was my kids doctor. Obama rejected Islam completely. My kids doctor pays lip service to it much like most people pay lip service to their religions. Osama lives and breathes it.[/quote]
A lot of my friends live and breathe Islam too, but they don’t go around hurting people in the name of Allah. Again, it’s a question of studying the religion and identifying what parts were added in by corrupt “religious officials”.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
So was Obama. So was my kids doctor. Obama rejected Islam completely. My kids doctor pays lip service to it much like most people pay lip service to their religions. Osama lives and breathes it.
A lot of my friends live and breathe Islam too, but they don’t go around hurting people in the name of Allah. Again, it’s a question of studying the religion and identifying what parts were added in by corrupt “religious officials”.[/quote]
I thought the koran was supposed to be the literal word of god relayed through Mohammad. How are the corrupt parts identified? Do they have a bibliography in the Koran that says these part are corrupt and should be ignored? And what about the Hadith and Sura? Didn’t Mohammad behave in a way that is consistant with these corrupt parts?
I think what you and a lot of people are missing about Islam, is that the Muslims who are not a problem for anyone are taking an interpretive reading of the Koran, Hadith and Sura where they just look the other way when they get to the nasty parts. Living in denial is not going to solve the problem of jihadism.
We have seen how this living in denial fails. Some of the London bombers came from good families that were neighborly, but then the younger generation came into contact with the wrong people who used the Koran, Hadith and Sura to turn the youngsters into jihadists.
The problem with Islam is there is too much support for the jihad on the books. Even if one generation takes a nonjihadist interpretation of their scripture, the next generation can flip because of it. Because their progeny can be fertile soil in which to sow the seeds of jihad, this makes the so called moderate Muslims a problem, even though they don’t want to be a problem.
Seriously, though, the later sayings of Mohammed abrogate the earlier ones. It turns out that there’s only about 7 sayings that are actually abrogated, they just happen to be the most important.
Verse: Q.9:5 (�?yat al-sayf, the “sword verse”)
* Abrogatee (mansūkh): Literally dozens of verses enjoining the umma's peacable conduct towards outside groups: Hibat All�?h and al-Nahh�?s cite 124 and 130 verses, respectively[56]. Ibn al Jawzī and Mustaf�? Zayd count 140 verses[57]
See, 9:5 abrogating dozens of verses supporting peaceable conduct towards outside groups is a huge problem.
The problem with Islam is there is too much support for the jihad on the books. Even if one generation takes a nonjihadist interpretation of their scripture, the next generation can flip because of it. Because their progeny can be fertile soil in which to sow the seeds of jihad, this makes the so called moderate Muslims a problem, even though they don’t want to be a problem.[/quote]
Good post. There is no solution for this problem because the guy that invented the religion was a killer and a slave trader. Islam makes it too easy to justify these actions.
We must be alert to the warning signs and react quickly to the jihadists.