[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Today, the Danes bottled out and apologized.
Some other newspapers with more spine like France-Soir reprinted the cartoons, claiming: We have the right to caricature god.[/quote]
And just so we are clear - Jyllands Posten apologized if the cartoons offended anybody, but they did not apologize for printing them 
[quote]Kailash wrote:
But to libel Muhammad libels all Muslims, and has provoked many ignorant crimes against real-live people.[/quote]
I was feeling rather negatively about and angry toward Muslims after reading this post, but then I saw a comedian named Ahmed Ahmed on the Carson Daily show and my perspective was a bit changed…what an opposite, and much better, outlook…and it also made me think about muslim people of middle eastern descent whom I know who call themselves American and are fine, peace loving, kind, caring, conscientious, constructive people. People like the above poster try to incite anger inside of non-muslim people in their goals to create bloodshed, war, chaos, devastation, destruction and human suffering. They are also causing pain and suffering to other Muslims at the same time. They want us to be consumed by hate. They want this world to be filled with hate. And then I think about what the bible says about those who incite hate and where this truly comes from. Calling for murder in the name of your God? Give me a break!
Anyway, check out this comedian Ahmed Ahmed, he’s super duper funny!
[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
Imagine if people were coming out in the streets burning Arab flags and demanding the large scale death of Muslims everywhere. The Muslim world would be outraged if a couple of good ole Southern boys, hung the heads of Muslims on the Talahatchie bridge. Yet this is how we see the Muslims acting daily on the news and in the papers.
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Our own American people would be outraged by this, hunt the southern boys down, arrest and prosecute them. Flag burners would be arrested. We’d do this in the name of equal rights-- muslims, blacks, whites, asians, christians, protestants, gays, the very young, the elderly, men, women, etc…are all equal citizens with equal rights in our coutry. A crime against anyone is still a crime against a living, valuable human being.
These kinds of ideals and standing strong for what’s right are what makes our country so great. The radical Muslims who are calling for death and retaliation are unified by Hate…we Americans, we stand strong and are unified by Love. No one can take our pride, our spirit, our beliefs in and our Love for our Great Nation away from us. Nobody. God Bless America, we will always be the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, and we will always stand strongly Unified!
Mohammed and his girlfriend uschi
[quote]p1nt wrote:
Mohammed and his girlfriend uschi[/quote]
See that’s just fucking hilarious
Humour is my religion!
chinadoll:
Sekularized muslims make some good positive points, but the problem is, that they don’t dare challenge fanatic muslims as they will face the same anger and threats. They will be considered just as “infidel” as any Westerner.
It’s a fact that Islam spawn millions of highly dangerous fanatic fundamentalists that constitutes a threat to anyone who doesn’t live life by the Koran.
Personally I have plenty of moderate muslim friends and not a single one of them bothers to get all worked up about this case. They don’t approve of the cartoons, but they have understanding for our freedom of expression and our tendencies to make fun of everything we danm well want to - of course in a tasteful manner.
Whether or not the cartoons were tasteful, I think they proved a point that needed to be proved. They displayed a stereotype, and as it seems this is not just a stereotype.
The cartoons showed Mohammed with a bomb in his turban, and what do the muslims do? They threaten us with suicidebombings? How ironic(and stupid) is that?
It’s the equivalent of telling a murderer that he is a murderer, and then he replies: “I’m not at murderer! I will kill you!!” Hah!
I’m very much against the religion of Islam and any organized religion whatsoever.
I can’t say I know, but I was always pretty sure that the extremists are a small portion of muslims, and they clearly make the most noise, but they seem to make enough noise that you all blame Islam. It also seems like you guys overestimate the capabilities of the average muslim.
What are normal people supposed to do that the U.S. military can’t? The only people that could help don’t want to.
Also, think about that fact that most of these people grow up in a culture of extremism and violence. We’d all be the same way in that situation. They see their situation and hear the propaganda being spouted, and they come to their conclusions. It’s certainly a result of the culture.
It’s not okay, but it’s because of the culture. It’s not okay here either, but we KNOW that. The situation is comparable to any impoverished, crime-ridden slum anywhere in the world, save for religious fanaticism leads to a more extreme situation.
I just saw the movie Syriana, and I felt it had a pretty solid portayal of how extremism can be bred.
Just little over an hour ago, the danish embassy i Syria was burned to the ground.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THEM!?
[quote] It also seems like you guys overestimate the capabilities of the average muslim.
What are normal people supposed to do that the U.S. military can’t? The only people that could help don’t want to. [/quote]
Veruvius,
You do have a point, however, let me ask you this.
If they will not police their own actions, should the rest of the world stand by and allow these terrorist actions?
What you are talking about is fear. When people knuckle under to fear, then the lawless are in power.
It takes brave people to risk their lives for what is right, for freedom, or whatever. All the quiet sheep muslims that are allowing the terrorists to speak for them need to find their own voices.
If they do not, they will also share responsibility in where we are heading. Make no mistake about it, the western world understood being angry about our presence in the Middle East and the meddling in their affairs.
However, what we have just witnessed is a true clash of cultures. Nobody in the west will bow down to censorship and repression by threats. We value our freedom, it was won at great expense, and there is no surer way to unite us than to attempt coercion by threat of terrorism.
The road is being paved. Perhaps the only people that can stop it from being travelled is those that are fair minded muslims, if they have the courage to speak.
I can only hope I’m wrong.
[quote]vroom wrote:
However, what we have just witnessed is a true clash of cultures. Nobody in the west will bow down to censorship and repression by threats. We value our freedom, it was won at great expense, and there is no surer way to unite us than to attempt coercion by threat of terrorism.
The road is being paved. Perhaps the only people that can stop it from being travelled is those that are fair minded muslims, if they have the courage to speak.
I can only hope I’m wrong.[/quote]
I hope so to, but I fear that you’re not.
[quote]doogie wrote:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/
Yesterday (Thursday) Mullah Krekar, the alleged leader of the Islamist group Ansar al-Islam who has been living in Norway as a refugee since 1991, said that the publication of the Muhammad cartoons was a declaration of war. ?The war has begun,? he told Norwegian journalists. Mr Krekar said Muslims in Norway are preparing to fight. ?It does not matter if the governments of Norway and Denmark apologize, the war is on.?
Islamist organizations all over the world are issuing threats towards Europeans. The Islamist terrorist group Hizbollah announced that it is preparing suicide attacks in Denmark and Norway. A senior imam in Kuwait, Nazem al-Masbah, said that those who have published cartoons of Muhammad should be murdered. He also threatened all citizens of the countries where the twelve Danish cartoons [see them all here, halfway down the page] have been published with death.[/quote]
These guys need to brush up on their European history. Do they really think Europeans lack the capability to fight back? It’s only a matter of time before they forego their smokes and expressos and re-acquaint themselves with their machine guns.
I gotta agree with FightingIrish that I hate organized religon as well. I mean its not like we have enough diffrences to hate eachother or make fun of eachother but we need more.
Another thing that is really hard to get for me is when people let their religon run their lives. Like this situation muslims can’t take this simple joke but react in violent ways. Here’s an experience I had last year. A friend of mine died in a car accident. This was the same day it happend I found out earlier then later that night me nd my friend were at his house on the computer and a friend of ours who is a a christian to the max logged on. We told him what happend, and this was his reaction:
“Wow dude are you serious?”
“Dude that is just nuts”
“He went to hell too…”
“I tried to turn him to christianity but he refused”
I mean come on, it could be your opinion that this happend but to actually tell people this is fucked up. I mean he was his friend too. A lot of people were pissed at him, but after a few months i forgave him thinking that he learned his lesson about being such a douche bag. But then later he says the same kind of shit. Hes over in Asia trying to convert people to christianity and he said that he can feel satan working there when he hears the muslim call for prayer. I mean I respect everybody’s choice of religon, Personally I just believe in god but do not follow a certain religon because all of them seem fucked up. I think people just take some shit too seriously. What I belive is god put us on this earth and that we should live our lives the way we see fit.
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Man you’re so full of shit, why dont you go and write FUCK JESUS in one of your papers and watch what happens.
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Kailash wrote:
harris447 wrote:
You cannot slander or libel Allah or Muhammad, as they are fictional characters in the public domain.
But to libel Muhammad libels all Muslims, and has provoked many ignorant crimes against real-live people.
Then that is their fault, not ours.
You can’t fucking kill people for making jokes. Its not fucking karma, its fucking murder, by assholes.
Fuck Mohammud, Fuck Jesus, Fuck Abraham.
Ooooo yea I said it. So who’s going to come and kill me?
This whole thing is fucking retarded. Let them boycott. If some psychopath tries to bomb a building because someone breaks Mohammud’s balls, or Jesus’s balls, shoot that cocksucker on the spot, and string him up as a fucking warning to the others.
You all know my politics. But there is a breaking point here. If a comic can ignite a war, then fuck both sides, and their gods.
When shit goes down like that, me and Zeus will be chillen, drinking whiskey, and laughing at people who murder over comics. Cause you know Zeus is definitly the man, and Aphrodite is smokin. My superheroes are definitly the coolest.
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What the fuck was the that supposed to mean? What papers? What the hell are you talking about?
Boycotting is one thing. Rioting is another…over a fucking comic. They are taking themselves far too seriously…
[quote]vroom wrote:
My ass faces east when I take a dump. Does that count for anything?[/quote]
Dude that is the funniest fucking thing I have heard in years, and check out my username I hear funny shit all the time!!
Yo Osama I dump in your general direction!!!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Nobody in the west will bow down to censorship and repression by threats. We value our freedom, it was won at great expense, and there is no surer way to unite us than to attempt coercion by threat of terrorism.[/quote]
Well said Vroom!
[quote]vroom wrote:
It also seems like you guys overestimate the capabilities of the average muslim.
What are normal people supposed to do that the U.S. military can’t? The only people that could help don’t want to.
Veruvius,
You do have a point, however, let me ask you this.
If they will not police their own actions, should the rest of the world stand by and allow these terrorist actions?
What you are talking about is fear. When people knuckle under to fear, then the lawless are in power.
It takes brave people to risk their lives for what is right, for freedom, or whatever. All the quiet sheep muslims that are allowing the terrorists to speak for them need to find their own voices.
If they do not, they will also share responsibility in where we are heading. Make no mistake about it, the western world understood being angry about our presence in the Middle East and the meddling in their affairs.
However, what we have just witnessed is a true clash of cultures. Nobody in the west will bow down to censorship and repression by threats. We value our freedom, it was won at great expense, and there is no surer way to unite us than to attempt coercion by threat of terrorism.
The road is being paved. Perhaps the only people that can stop it from being travelled is those that are fair minded muslims, if they have the courage to speak.
I can only hope I’m wrong.[/quote]
Nicely said.
I can’t even say how infuriated by this whole thing. They truly are unifing the western world against them though.
Most times, I think their actions stem from our meddling. But this is simply out of control.
At this point, if they want to control our governments, our writers, by doing this by burning things down when they don’t agree…
Fuck’em. Kill’em all.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Muslim outrage huh. OK … let’s do a little historical review. Just some lowlights:
* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
* A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
* Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
* Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.
Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims … no Muslim outrage … but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.
Come on, is this really about cartoons? They’re rampaging and burning flags. They’re looking for Europeans to kidnap. They’re threatening innkeepers and generally raising holy Muslim hell not because of any outrage over a cartoon. They’re outraged because it is part of the Islamic jihadist culture to be outraged. You don’t really need a reason. You just need an excuse. Wandering around, destroying property, murdering children, firing guns into the air and feigning outrage over the slightest perceived insult is to a jihadist what tailgating is to a Steeler’s fan.
I know and understand that these bloodthirsty murderers do not represent the majority of the world’s Muslims. When, though, do they become outraged? When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule? Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims in a New York Times article three years ago. “As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?”
Indeed. Why not? [/quote]
You said it, Doogie. This post should go down in history as the sentiment felt by many westerners.
[quote]Kailash wrote:
vroom wrote:
Those cartoons were pretty damned tame. You think the almighty has no ability to deal with humor? You are responsible for your behavior under your belief system…
First of all… “humor”? This was a clearly baited attack against Arabs and Muslims by depicting them as scimtar-weilding fanatics, with Muhammad wearing a turban bomb. As if the very fact of being Muslim or Arabic predisposes one to being a freak terrorist.
How about Lucky Charms throwing cartoon, marshmallow looking bombs at children on a bus? That might even be a little funnier and less targeting of an established religion - but it’s still indecent to libel all Irish in that way. And especially if one clearly states that they were attempting to provoke a hurt reaction, as in this situation!
Duh duh duh duh… DUH![/quote]
I very much doubt we’d boycott USA goods or burn lucky charms boxes in the street. In fact your post is more offensive than the example it contains would be.
"Muslims believe that the Jewish God is the same as Allah and that Jesus is a divinely inspired prophet, but not a divinity. Thus, both the Torah and New Testament are accepted as divine texts, but Muslims believe them to have been corrupted (both accidentally through errors in transmission and intentionally by Jews and Christians over the years).
Muslims revere the Qur’an as the final uncorrupted word of God brought through the last prophet, Muhammad, and Islam is viewed as a final correction of Judaism and Christianity."
Just a little info on the whole three religions, one god point that was brought up earlier.
I’d like to leave with an excerpt from The Devil’s Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce that should enrage all faiths equally.
FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.
CHRISTIAN, n.
One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.
Too bad he didnt write a defintion for Jew and Muslim
OK just to let you all know whats been happening in the UK here. There is another side to the freedom of speech issue, that of the arrest of two members of the British National Party who spoke out against Islam in a PRIVATE meeting that was secretly recorded. The BNP are totally right-wing and speak out against immigration to the UK from Islamic (and other) countries.
They faced 7 seven years imprisonment for speaking their minds. Compare that to the some 700 muslims who openly marched through the capital London calling for Jihad and all the rest of it and for the destruction of Britain in a repeat of 7/7 (and by the way no British paper even printed the cartoons) in an ILLEGAL protest and not 1 single arrest is made.
Now I dont agree with either sides views but whats good for one is good for all. It is quite simply Political Correctness gone mad, we are being held for ransom in our own country.
Im trying hard not to be biased here but the following points stand out:
A picture of Muhammed is shown with the implication that he/Muslims are suicide bombers. They say ‘thats not true, we’re going to blow you up for saying so’
Their religion has been offended, they respond by burning the Danish flag which has on it a cross, the universal symbol of Christianity.
Compared to the great advances in medicine, technology etc by the west, Islamic countries have contributed nothing to the world.
These extremist types do not represent the Muslim population who I hope will be more active in condemning them.
We (Europe) need to stop being so damned PC and show that we’re not to be fucked with!
Final (and best!) point : If it does go to all out war east vs west, who would win?
Yes.
Yes we would.