I agree. Once the bland, boring eating becomes a habit, things just easily fall into place.
I’ve tried UD2 and other cyclical diets plenty of times. I always end up in the same conclusion: the carb up is make or break. It’s really that simple.
I usually go 10 days as opposed to 7 before a carb up. This allows for 3 HIIT sessions, 2 heavy strength sessions, and 3 lactate sessions. I have no problem going balls to the wall in the gym even on low carb, but I guess having a home gym helps in this regard (buy some stimulants—>bronkaid helps). Before the carb up I am definitely depleted.
Problem with early carb ups is that most diet books give the illusion of unlimited freedom. You don’t. You can’t eat everything in sight. It’s a carb up with moderate calories over maintenence, not an 8000+ cal binge (trust me I’ve been there.)
Outline what you are going to eat during the carb up, add in one meal of junk, and you’re done.
One more thing: once your brain likes ketones, cut down on total fat kcal a bit to accelerate fat loss.
Elusive whats the Status on you bro! Still going strong?
Yeah I guess so. Sorry I haven’t kept up to date, my internet was down. I’ve been following plan, but I appear the same and my weight hasn’t budged. I may have to reconsider my approach again.
[quote]hexx wrote:
I’ve tried UD2 and other cyclical diets plenty of times. I always end up in the same conclusion: the carb up is make or break. It’s really that simple.
I usually go 10 days as opposed to 7 before a carb up. This allows for 3 HIIT sessions, 2 heavy strength sessions, and 3 lactate sessions. I have no problem going balls to the wall in the gym even on low carb, but I guess having a home gym helps in this regard (buy some stimulants—>bronkaid helps). Before the carb up I am definitely depleted.
Problem with early carb ups is that most diet books give the illusion of unlimited freedom. You don’t. You can’t eat everything in sight. It’s a carb up with moderate calories over maintenence, not an 8000+ cal binge (trust me I’ve been there.)
Outline what you are going to eat during the carb up, add in one meal of junk, and you’re done. [/quote]
Hexx,
I’ve started a similar approach and would be keen to read what training programme you’re doing.
Using Thibaudeau’s guidelines, I’m currently using the following:
Monday - (Heavy) Legs, Abs
Tuesday - (Heavy) Upper Body
Thursday - HIIT sprints (10 mins and building up)
Saturday - (Lactate) Total body workout
The HIIT was only introduced today but I enjoyed it outdoors in the sun. Challenge will be to stick to it.
Diet-wise, I’ve been on low-carb for nine months and fat-loss progress has stalled. Follwing research into Lyle McDonald, backed by Fred Hatfield’s zigzag, etc, I’ve formulated my own plan, which consists of Sunday-Thursday max 1400kcals; Friday 2000kcals; Saturday 3200-3500kcals (high carb day). Again this is my first week on it. So far, so good.
Good luck, I’ll stay tuned for your progress.
Hey Elusive
Judging by your photos it looks like you made awesome progress on the UD 2.0. Is it worth revisiting?
Alternatively, Mauro DiPasquale’s Anabolic Solution may be worth a look or, if you’re feeling very open-minded/experimental, perhaps check out http://leangains.blogspot.com
Keep going bro (or else I’m going to overtake you on leanness ha ha!!)
I know what you mean Elusive I think your might be at a point now where you need to just eat a maintenance for a while just to give you body a break from dieting maby even consider a clean bulk during august??? Just a thought…your very lean now tho so Its really what you feel like that matters I find that If I diet for more than like 12 weeks I just cant go any longer…but everyones different!
Also, Ive been reading alot of Lyle McDonalds stuff lately…very interesting reading!
Keep us posted man!
I didn’t seem to make much progress on the UD 2.0. Its alot of hell during the week to have fun on friday, but I wasn’t seeing a return. I wouldn’t say I was lean right now. I’ve been eating whatever I want again for a couple of days, but for some reason I’m not concerned. I feel better, have great energy, and sleep alot better. I guess I’ve lost my motivation to keep dieting for now. We’ll see what happens.
Yeh…loss of motivation sucks. I was stuck like you are. Finally, this week I’ve been doing pretty good, and if I ‘cheat’ I’ve just made sure its just fruit. Keep on keepin’ on man.
[quote]elusive wrote:
I didn’t seem to make much progress on the UD 2.0. Its alot of hell during the week to have fun on friday, but I wasn’t seeing a return. I wouldn’t say I was lean right now. I’ve been eating whatever I want again for a couple of days, but for some reason I’m not concerned. I feel better, have great energy, and sleep alot better. I guess I’ve lost my motivation to keep dieting for now. We’ll see what happens.[/quote]
Your posts have still been helpful, regardless of the results. You obviously stuck to it to a ‘T,’ and it didn’t seem to work any better than anything else.
I was reading through a fitness forum where a bunch of people were trying Alwyn’s “Warp Speed Fat Loss.” Let’s just say that the average fat lost was much less than claimed. Since AC’s program is basically Lyle MacDonald’s UD 2.0, there aren’t really many surprises there. Also, most people lost motivation a certain way into it due to the extremity of it. It seems these gurus aren’t what they’re cracked up to be.
You saved me some money. Thanks.
Not trying to knock the diet, but I felt it was designed to make progress that was harder than it needed to be. I’m glad someone got some use out of this thread. When ever I plan on getting back on track, I’ll keep you guys posted as usual.
I know the feeling…keep it going tho!
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
hexx wrote:
I’ve tried UD2 and other cyclical diets plenty of times. I always end up in the same conclusion: the carb up is make or break. It’s really that simple.
I usually go 10 days as opposed to 7 before a carb up. This allows for 3 HIIT sessions, 2 heavy strength sessions, and 3 lactate sessions. I have no problem going balls to the wall in the gym even on low carb, but I guess having a home gym helps in this regard (buy some stimulants—>bronkaid helps). Before the carb up I am definitely depleted.
Problem with early carb ups is that most diet books give the illusion of unlimited freedom. You don’t. You can’t eat everything in sight. It’s a carb up with moderate calories over maintenence, not an 8000+ cal binge (trust me I’ve been there.)
Outline what you are going to eat during the carb up, add in one meal of junk, and you’re done.
Hexx,
I’ve started a similar approach and would be keen to read what training programme you’re doing.
Using Thibaudeau’s guidelines, I’m currently using the following:
Monday - (Heavy) Legs, Abs
Tuesday - (Heavy) Upper Body
Thursday - HIIT sprints (10 mins and building up)
Saturday - (Lactate) Total body workout
The HIIT was only introduced today but I enjoyed it outdoors in the sun. Challenge will be to stick to it.
Diet-wise, I’ve been on low-carb for nine months and fat-loss progress has stalled. Follwing research into Lyle McDonald, backed by Fred Hatfield’s zigzag, etc, I’ve formulated my own plan, which consists of Sunday-Thursday max 1400kcals; Friday 2000kcals; Saturday 3200-3500kcals (high carb day). Again this is my first week on it. So far, so good.
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I think you are going to burn out on 1400 cals >30g carbs with that regime. The first few days or weeks will be okay, but one of these days you’ll probably feel so zombie like and end up binging (this is not your fault, its your body fighting you). I did something similar with higher calories 1800 (and around 40-50g carbs), with a carb up on day 9 or 10. For me it would be heavy legs, heavy upper, 2-3 HIIT sessions (1 min 3mph, 1min 6mph,1min 10mph for 30 mins), 3 lactates (arms,chest/back,legs) + low intensity cardio throughout. I dropped about 2-3’’ off my waist with a moderate drop in weight, which was very satisfying.
[quote]hexx wrote:
JamesBrawn007 wrote:
hexx wrote:
I’ve tried UD2 and other cyclical diets plenty of times. I always end up in the same conclusion: the carb up is make or break. It’s really that simple.
I usually go 10 days as opposed to 7 before a carb up. This allows for 3 HIIT sessions, 2 heavy strength sessions, and 3 lactate sessions. I have no problem going balls to the wall in the gym even on low carb, but I guess having a home gym helps in this regard (buy some stimulants—>bronkaid helps). Before the carb up I am definitely depleted.
Problem with early carb ups is that most diet books give the illusion of unlimited freedom. You don’t. You can’t eat everything in sight. It’s a carb up with moderate calories over maintenence, not an 8000+ cal binge (trust me I’ve been there.)
Outline what you are going to eat during the carb up, add in one meal of junk, and you’re done.
Hexx,
I’ve started a similar approach and would be keen to read what training programme you’re doing.
Using Thibaudeau’s guidelines, I’m currently using the following:
Monday - (Heavy) Legs, Abs
Tuesday - (Heavy) Upper Body
Thursday - HIIT sprints (10 mins and building up)
Saturday - (Lactate) Total body workout
The HIIT was only introduced today but I enjoyed it outdoors in the sun. Challenge will be to stick to it.
Diet-wise, I’ve been on low-carb for nine months and fat-loss progress has stalled. Follwing research into Lyle McDonald, backed by Fred Hatfield’s zigzag, etc, I’ve formulated my own plan, which consists of Sunday-Thursday max 1400kcals; Friday 2000kcals; Saturday 3200-3500kcals (high carb day). Again this is my first week on it. So far, so good.
I think you are going to burn out on 1400 cals >30g carbs with that regime. The first few days or weeks will be okay, but one of these days you’ll probably feel so zombie like and end up binging (this is not your fault, its your body fighting you). I did something similar with higher calories 1800 (and around 40-50g carbs), with a carb up on day 9 or 10. For me it would be heavy legs, heavy upper, 2-3 HIIT sessions (1 min 3mph, 1min 6mph,1min 10mph for 30 mins), 3 lactates (arms,chest/back,legs) + low intensity cardio throughout. I dropped about 2-3’’ off my waist with a moderate drop in weight, which was very satisfying.
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I’m mid-way through my second week and I’ve got good news and bad news.
The good news is I’m 2.5lbs lighter (bodyfat 12%) and I’m sticking to my diet plan very well. The bad news is your prediction appears to be coming true in terms of burnout. I did an extra session of sprints last week, and together with work commitments, have developed constant headaches since Tuesday. I managed a heavy upper body session last night despite ths but my performance was poor (not surprising). I’m laying off any HIIT meantime and will judge things Friday whether I’m fit for a lactate workout.
I’ve had these headaches before when I was overtrained so seems like I’ve hit the wall again. I’ll keep to the diet but sacrafice some of the activity until full fitness resumes - hopefully not too long.
Quick update for myself. I totally fell off the diet wagon. I’ve been basically on a see food diet. However, I feel great with lots of energy and I’ve been hitting the weights hard. My strength is making progress every workout it seems.
I finally got 300 on my flat bench and have been hitting 500+ on my deadlifts once again. I posted the deadlift vids in my profile if anyone wants to take a look. My short term goal for the dead is 550+ and I feel it will be easily achievable. O yeah, sleep is great =)
Shit Elusive 300 flat bench…Very impresive Im only benching like 190 but it may be in part due to my runing several half marathon’s this summer and basically just running like 50+ miles a week with my training I need to get back at it Im starting August 1st I just got a log going in the training log forum! Anyways good to see the strenth is comming along ttyl
Thats alot of running. Its tough to maintain strength with all that. Im definitly going to check out your log!
yah I know I was running alot of races like 13 in 4 months so Now Its go time! I might run once or twice a week just for a half hour just to keep fat loss to a minimum but Im looking at building some serious size now! lol yah stay tuned Im keep poping in here as well!
I’m just praying muscle memory holds true and I gain my strenth back FAST lol