As much as I enjoy you beating him over the head (and I do), we should define our terms here. Does immediate mean like within hours? Or are we calling a few days immediate? Obviously testosterone isn’t cocaine, and when I hear ‘immediate’ I think of, well, immediate. But if someone said “within four days of injection there is a substantially higher serum testosterone level” then yeah, that would be accurate. Maybe he thinks he can feel those four days all on day one? I don’t know. I’m trying to understand why this conversation is even happening when the science is pretty easy to pick up on. But bless you for being more patient than I would be.
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Ok, but at trt doses there is absolutely no way that you are noticing the changes immediately following injection. Hell, on 125mg eod of test pp I notice absolutely nothing different for the duration of a blast. It’s 100% in your head. If you said “by day four of using 500mg twice a week I can notice a difference” I’d be inclined to believe you, especially since there’s some science there. But my man…you’re out on an island for a reason here.
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He gives himself a shot, feels something right away, and then goes for labs the next day to see what his serum levels are.
Even IF he would feel something right away, that feeling is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, because it provides zero indication of what the actual outcome of the protocol is.
He can’t grasp this. Yet he keeps insisting he’s right and he’s about as far away from being dialed in as I am from banging Jennifer Aniston.
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When I did my 500mg a week experiment for a bit (which I documented in a video about more not necessarily being better), I was pinning 250mg twice a week and it took THREE WEEKS until I noticed something.
This guy envisions the testosterone flowing through his veins, ester already totally cleaved off, working it’s magic like pixie dust. His mindset is so far from the truth it completely clouds his judgement.
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Some people are sensitive and do feel i right away. I tend to agree to Bosssa saying it doesnt mean you are dialed in, but I cannot agree that you cannot feel the test immediately. Some do and especially the sustanon, enanthate not in this extend felt it very weekly until it built up after a week(i used too large those then)
It’s in your head.
On your next reply, please copy and paste the previous sentence as a followup to your reply and it will save me from developing callouses on my fingertips. Thanks in advance.
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No its not in my head and thatbis crap
I’ll say I can feel a tight high pressure spot in the muscle during and after the injection. So I can indeed feel the test. I am now almost 8 hours past my shot, and if I rub my shoulder, I can still feel the test. Not sure if that is the right context though.
You feel it because you expect to feel it. There’s a reason that drugs are tested against a placebo and efficacy is determined by the alpha between the two outcomes. When a magician saws his lovely assistant in half you believe, just for a moment, that it actually happened that way. But that belief doesn’t make it true.
No. There are many other things Ive tried and expected to feel bu didnt. Im extremely aware of the physical sensations in my body. The longer I stay on a proticol the less I feel the immediate effect after the injection. And as I said I feel so potently only the sustanon
You didn’t copy paste as I asked. My fingers are bleeding.
It’s all in your head.
@mnben87 you feel a pressure because you’ve injected a substance into your muscle tissue. Something is now there that wasn’t before so the sensation is normal. This has nothing to do with the testosterone working immediately as what’s his face insists.
I was being facetious.
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My sincere and humble apologies for missing that one lol
You can bleed as much as you want but denying the truth wont change a thing.
Im tired of this crap, im our of the fruitless debate
Vonko, you asserted that Sust. Needs to be injected frequently as in ED or EOD. Then other’s said, no you don’t need to do that. They don’t need to prove that it isn’t necessary. You need to prove it is necessary. You have the burden of proof here. If you can’t support you claim, you should drop it. Otherwise you are in fact talking nonsense.
To me, it makes sense to base injection frequency off of the half life of the drug you are taking. When taking Sust. you are taking 4 different esters. Saying to pin it based on the shortest ester has logic behind it. If I were you that is the line of attack I would use.
For example say I am doing both Test E and Test P and they are in separate vials. I would not just pin the Test P twice a week because that is what I am doing with the Test E, I would pin it EOD to have fairly stable blood levels. This kinda shows that it is just a silly product overall, IMO.
Now this isn’t exactly a good argument, because Sust was developed to have the esters line up to give a fairly smooth delivery of T, but it is better than your line of argument.
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A delusion in your head is true to you, but demonstrable nonsense to the rest of us. Believing it to be true and actually being true are two separate things. Read any article on the pharmacokinetics of testosterone and this will be as clear as day.
Even with the trans-scrotal cream, which has a half life of 12-14 hours, nobody feels it when they apply it. The levels rise steadily in their body over time. Once levels are achieved it then takes time to determine the outcome. If your body is deficient in vitmain D, and you ingest a shit ton of vitamin d that day, it doesn’t mean that the body will miraculously make immediate use of all that vitamin D and immediately resolve all issues that were caused by the deficiency so that you can ‘feel it’ right away.
I can’t understand how it is possible that we have explained this in every way imaginable and you STILL don’t get it. Are you just slow? If you’re slow, you can say so and maybe we’ll cut you a break. You should still stop replying with this nonsense because it is nonsense to everyone in this forum except for you.
Yep exactly but I was thinking this is more than obvious. Of course I suggest taking it shortly because of the prop. After all this people claim to understand TRt.
But you are right Im not good at debating at all and dont plan to become. Its just not my thing. These days I had a bit more free time, but after all I wont change the mind of people deeply believing something to be true or false.
Like Dannny will never change my mind some guys cannot feel testosterone immediately after injection. A few times I mentioned this happens only with sustanon and people like you who have a sound logical thought would quickly understand why
Yes, it is totally silly product and the way it was designed doesnt work for too many people. But for me it works best from all esters done this way. For some reason I dont feel as good on enanthate on similar protocol. And I see no reason in trying to understand why. Just one of those things
Yes, this frequently occurs with people who are delusional. Doesn’t matter what you tell them, it’s pointless. Only their delusion is real to them, nothing else.
So we should expect you to be completely dialed in when, exactly? Now that you KNOW all the answers?