This should be a separate topic from my log. I accept the advice that I should calm down and stop overthinking, but seems I’ve not understood correctly how this ester works when I choose it for treatment. My questions are:
If I inject 20 mg daily sustanon, are the esters every day the same ratio/amounts? According to @highpull no. A guy I know that products testosterone says yes.
Turned out the last ester is much longer than anticipated - 15 days. I thought to be 8-9. Is it true such long ester can have different half life every time it is injected?
According to @dbossa as well the ester is not suitable for proper TRT and many guys struggle with it. I would like to understand why.
With one component having a half life of about 2 weeks it will take a little longer to reach steady state levels (about 8 to 10 weeks) but other than that there is no reason to believe that it’s not as suitable/useful as eg cypionate.
I don’t think anyone can say that daily sustanon is or isnt’ suitable for daily injections because all it takes is some random guy saying he feels better injecting sustanon daily.
Who would we to say it isn’t possible? I think some men need a certain variability in hormonal swing to feel good on TRT. It might not have anything to do with the multiple esters, it might just be the smaller amount of androgens for which the body prefers.
I would think you could achieve steadier hormone levels on daily sustanon because you body will metabolize the short ester quickly leaving the mid-long ester to stack up and creat very steady levels.
For the fact sustanon is dosed further apart (every 2 weeks) than the cypionate and enanthate ester is proof enough that more stable hormone levels are a reality.
I would argue that weekly sustanon is going to produce steadier levels versus cypionate. I’ve heard some doctors in the UK mention sustanon aromatase more than cypionate in some individuals.
You could always do the steroid calc for all the different esters in sustanon at once and see how it looks on paper. I don’t love it having prop in it since it’s half life is so short but it’s a small amount so maybe it’s fine
If I knew this at the beginning I would take enanthate from my dealer. First now I have to wait more, second for every change in protocol I will have to wait too much.
The misunderstanding came because my proclduct omnadren used to be different than sustanon and the last ester to be shorter(at least what I found in the literature). But in the last years they made it absolutely identical to sustanon. I learned that after I started and my TRT initial enthusiasm passed away.
So basically the first two weeks I was on my own prosuction and the first two esters(propinate and phenylpropinate). Then my t ceased. After a week or two the third ester isocarporate will build up, but for the last to kick in that is by the way MOST I will wait and wait and wait…
You know how I found my daily dosing is quite unique, I started out 10mg daily and after a week, I was in front of my computer and had according to Dr. Saya some kind of immune system response and WTF just happened where my whole body just tensed up, I dropped down to 6mg daily, felt blah for days without any change, then increased to 7mg daily and I was like “ok” I felt great for weeks and got greedy and thought, what about 8mg daily.
So I tried 8mg daily and at the end on the day I clearly felt as if this was too much and it could only get worse from there on out, so I decreased back to 7mg daily and return to how I felt days prior. So I know on day one if I found the correct dose which I did for 4.5 weeks and felt normal the entire time as if I was in a stable state for 98% of the time.
I could feel fluctuations 2-4 hours before my injections, but no complaint from me because I was back to feeling good again right after my injection.
You see what is the problem with the omnadren? In future for every change in protocl instead of the 5-6 weeks on enanthate I will need to wait 10 weeks on this stuff. This sounds depressing now. Seems I made the wrong choice based on my clear misunderstanding of the facts
But switching now to enanthate will be tricky. I will loose the quick esters. I can add 5-10mg propinate for the first weeks but I risk side effects and feeling whoever knows high. I can shoot up like that aromatase and erythocitosis for both of which I seem to have a lot of room but I do not wanna push them
