Think blasting with oxandrolone and prop x 6-8 weeks be healthier than adding nandrolone for blasts?
I loved it and will be doing that exact thing again sometime in January (plan was originally to do it now but the holidays make my schedule too hectic to really maximize my diet and training).
I’d say that with higher test it would be beneficial because it seems to help keep guys a little leaner. So you could bulk and maybe not get quite as much fat as you would on test alone. But that is pure speculation based on the few studies we have. My overall feeling about anavar is this: it couldn’t hurt. It’s like salt, it kind of goes on everything. If a cycle is planned out and doesn’t include an oral then adding anavar can only make it better.
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Nandrolone has some serious side effects, long term. It also has some potentially devastating side effects short term. The deca dick thing is real and it makes it a nonstarter for some of us. Your biggest risk with anavar is, really, you don’t gain as much. Otherwise you’d have to look pretty hard to find someone who took a reasonable dose and fucked up their kidneys or their liver. And nobody ever got ED from it.
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My issue with oxandrolone is my hdl goes from 47 to 17! That must increase cardiovascular risk
Ehh idk if test would give more keepable PURE lean mass. I think they’d be about equal
It does increase long term atherosclerotic plaque build up, and is incredibly unhealthy… but for 4-6 weeks occasionally it isn’t that bad. Say you use for 12 weeks yearly (2 6week cycles). In 10 years (520 weeks) you’ll spend 100 weeks with shitty lipids… I say 10 weeks because with each cycle it’ll probably take 5-7 days before lipids are sufficiently trashed
Long term serious risk do anavar would be lipids and letting BP run wild (and cardiac sides)
Through varying mechanisms…
If one has undiagnosed stage 2-3 hypertension on oxandrolone… over time this will induce profound damage as one keeps cycling
Wow Defy is now prescribing nandrolone($150 for 10ml) for guys that can’t take an AI but still need a larger T boost. I wonder why they picked that one over say Drostanolone. It also does not increase E2 and there is no Deca Dick to deal with. I can see my wife taking nandrolone for her osteoporosis and joint pain but not men.
@hrdlvn
Glad to see you back!
I wonder if the docs really even know about Deca dick? Maybe they get a few clients that get it but I wonder if they realize how many folks out there get it. I’m guessing of the entire population of deca users it’s a small minority but it seems to be a big enough percentage that the risk is real.
Drostanolone isn’t pharmaceuticay manufactured anymore. Nandrolone is (albeit in generic form I believe)
Most compounding pharmacies don’t have the resources to acquire the Raws needed to make drostanolone, and the compound within the medical world only exists as drostanolone propionate
The older and more learned I get the more I believe the safest option long term is to not mess with nandrolone or oxandrolone etc but to simply increase test. Maybe not blasting test, but adjust trt to get TT around 1000-1200 and stay there for years. Prob build decent muscle with much less sides etc.
just something sexy for test plus something else, at least for me
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I had some really bad sides from a recent aas experiment. I had to leave the forum for a while. Don’t want to go into it. You won’t find me in the TRT forums anymore those guys are a lost cause. I will offer help or at least my take on things in the pharma if I can.
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@hrdlvn
I hear you brother. Glad you’re back
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But my SHBG has raised three points so I clearly need to go from injecting 5x daily to 3x daily
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I discussed deca dick with the PA at defy. He indicated that in his experience at 100mg/week the risk was extremely low.
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Even if it were available I would not take drostanolone. I tried it last year for a short term trial and it absolutely fucked my lipids. I also didn’t feel especially good on it. There were basically zero benefits to me at TRT doses and ample side effects. So it was a nonstarter. I’m going to trial the nandrolone to see if it improves any of my subjective issues.
@InCorporeSano
I’m sure the risk isn’t that high on any dose but there’s enough of it happening that the risk is real and wouldn’t be worth risking for me.
The risk exists, so in my mind I’d need the reward to be pretty substantial. At 100mg I had improvement in my existing joint pain. Knowing that for me DD risk is effectively zero at 100mg I still will not be using it, since “effectively zero” and “zero” are not the same thing. But for you—or many others—it will be helpful at that dose.
My experience
I ran deca at 600 weekly and had no DD
Did get depressed as hell but I attributed that to zero test.
I often run trt test at 90 a week and run deca at 400 and have no issues
As for the long term sides? That’s what concerns me
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That’s the reason I won’t touch the stuff. I’ve had enough numb dick issues after taking finasteride for years