[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
What is the purpose of using glutamine if it is converted to glucose anyway?
For instance, what is the difference between 20g of glutamine in a PWO drink as opposed to 20g of simple sugar carbs?
I know it’s been posted before, but I guess I’m still confused.[/quote]
Bump for the same question. I’m also confused about this. I recently started to use Thibs protocol of BCAAs before my workout for energy and then the high dose glutamine glycine PWO shake since I’m on a keto diet trying to cut. Each drink makes me feel slightly ill and nauseas and flushed. Originally I used to use gatorade and whey pre workout which gave me amzaing pumps and great workout performance and cornflakes with whey post workout which gave me noticable recovery beneefits. If the glutamine and glycine are going towards glycogen replenishment why not just use carbs. And if the BCAAs are being used for energy why not just use carbs agian since you;re burning them off anyway.
[quote]as wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
What is the purpose of using glutamine if it is converted to glucose anyway?
For instance, what is the difference between 20g of glutamine in a PWO drink as opposed to 20g of simple sugar carbs?
I know it’s been posted before, but I guess I’m still confused.
Bump for the same question. I’m also confused about this. I recently started to use Thibs protocol of BCAAs before my workout for energy and then the high dose glutamine glycine PWO shake since I’m on a keto diet trying to cut. Each drink makes me feel slightly ill and nauseas and flushed. Originally I used to use gatorade and whey pre workout which gave me amzaing pumps and great workout performance and cornflakes with whey post workout which gave me noticable recovery beneefits. If the glutamine and glycine are going towards glycogen replenishment why not just use carbs. And if the BCAAs are being used for energy why not just use carbs agian since you;re burning them off anyway.[/quote]
I wish I had a good answer for you, but I don’t! This is what Thibs said to do so I do it.
Have you looked through his thread the “Thib Zone” for the answer? Or even just asking in his thread?
Also, there is a new thread in T-Cell Alpha regarding BCAAs.
Brant_Drake is a great source of info for those doing low carb or the AD Diet. Hope he doesn’t mind me throwing his name out. And also New Damage is currently mega dosing with BCAAs
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
as wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
What is the purpose of using glutamine if it is converted to glucose anyway?
For instance, what is the difference between 20g of glutamine in a PWO drink as opposed to 20g of simple sugar carbs?
I know it’s been posted before, but I guess I’m still confused.
Bump for the same question. I’m also confused about this. I recently started to use Thibs protocol of BCAAs before my workout for energy and then the high dose glutamine glycine PWO shake since I’m on a keto diet trying to cut. Each drink makes me feel slightly ill and nauseas and flushed. Originally I used to use gatorade and whey pre workout which gave me amzaing pumps and great workout performance and cornflakes with whey post workout which gave me noticable recovery beneefits. If the glutamine and glycine are going towards glycogen replenishment why not just use carbs. And if the BCAAs are being used for energy why not just use carbs agian since you;re burning them off anyway.
I wish I had a good answer for you, but I don’t! This is what Thibs said to do so I do it.
Have you looked through his thread the “Thib Zone” for the answer? Or even just asking in his thread?
Also, there is a new thread in T-Cell Alpha regarding BCAAs.
Brant_Drake is a great source of info for those doing low carb or the AD Diet. Hope he doesn’t mind me throwing his name out. And also New Damage is currently mega dosing with BCAAs
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LOL. I do it also because Thibs said to do it. Don’t get me wrong the BCAA protocol does give me endurance and stamina to sustain the workout but I don’t feel great on it and it doesn’t work as good as the gatorade and whey. The glutamine glycine thing I recently had to quit all together. Just made me feel very unhealthy or strange, hard to describe kind of ill like. It also seemed to make me retain water. I haven’t asked Thibs this question because I asked him a few other ones that he never answered for some reason and I don’t want to get on his bad side lol.
7:30p
Pot roast
Spinach salad with full fat italian dressing
some badass cheese and summer sausage
ZMA an hour before bed and fake milk/whey/bcaa shake at bed.
So my carbs are the 1 (sometimes 2) pieces of fruit and the PWO drink. PWO drink probably has 20 or 25 carbs since I’m lowering the gatorade and adding in glutamine. Minimal carbs in the nuts. No grains, no oats, etc. My breakfasts sometimes will be scrambled eggs with sausage or bacon, but you get the general gist. Dinner will sometimes be a fish, etc. This is accurate 75% of the time, but the constant is the vegetable and fruit intake. I really could use more veggies since I need to shit regularly. When I say spinach salad, it’s a lot of spinach, like 1/2 one of those bags of the fresh you get at the store.
7:30p
Pot roast
Spinach salad with full fat italian dressing
some badass cheese and summer sausage
ZMA an hour before bed and fake milk/whey/bcaa shake at bed.
So my carbs are the 1 (sometimes 2) pieces of fruit and the PWO drink. PWO drink probably has 20 or 25 carbs since I’m lowering the gatorade and adding in glutamine. Minimal carbs in the nuts. No grains, no oats, etc. My breakfasts sometimes will be scrambled eggs with sausage or bacon, but you get the general gist. Dinner will sometimes be a fish, etc. This is accurate 75% of the time, but the constant is the vegetable and fruit intake. I really could use more veggies since I need to shit regularly. When I say spinach salad, it’s a lot of spinach, like 1/2 one of those bags of the fresh you get at the store. [/quote]
What do you weigh? You don’t look like you are taking in a lot of calories. Sure you want to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight but you don’t want to go so low you chew off an arm.
I also have 1/2 scoop of Grow! Whey before a workout.
I have a pretty good spreadsheet for figuring out calories and fats and protien ratios. If you want to PM me your email address I will be happy to send it to you.
7:30p
Pot roast
Spinach salad with full fat italian dressing
some badass cheese and summer sausage
ZMA an hour before bed and fake milk/whey/bcaa shake at bed.
So my carbs are the 1 (sometimes 2) pieces of fruit and the PWO drink. PWO drink probably has 20 or 25 carbs since I’m lowering the gatorade and adding in glutamine. Minimal carbs in the nuts. No grains, no oats, etc. My breakfasts sometimes will be scrambled eggs with sausage or bacon, but you get the general gist. Dinner will sometimes be a fish, etc. This is accurate 75% of the time, but the constant is the vegetable and fruit intake. I really could use more veggies since I need to shit regularly. When I say spinach salad, it’s a lot of spinach, like 1/2 one of those bags of the fresh you get at the store.
What do you weigh? You don’t look like you are taking in a lot of calories. Sure you want to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight but you don’t want to go so low you chew off an arm.
I also have 1/2 scoop of Grow! Whey before a workout.
I have a pretty good spreadsheet for figuring out calories and fats and protien ratios. If you want to PM me your email address I will be happy to send it to you.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
musclephd wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Almonds are a preferred nut but they do still have carbs so you should be checking the ratios.
One ounce (about 23 count) of roasted almonds contain only 1.5g of effective carbs!
I get what you are saying about subtracting the indigestible fiber from the total carb count, but I really only do that for my green fibrous vegetables. That is the way Thibs recommends. Carbs are just soooooo sneaky!
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You can safely subtract the indigestible fiber from the total carbs for anything, because, well, the fiber is indigestible and cannot be used by the body
Besides almonds, I also like pistachios. They are a bit more carby, at 5g effective carbs per 1oz (roughly 2oz with shells). Nuts are a great snack when you are out and about, or stuck in LA traffic.
But for someone not fat adapted yet, you are right, they better be counting every carb first couple of weeks.
[quote]whereami wrote:
Glutamine effectiveness is trivial. Why not just keep the carbs pre/post workout - you’ll still have 23 other hours in the day to go low carb.[/quote]
For Octobergirl. Not sure if you’re still interested in the answer to the difference between the carbs post workout vs Thibs glutamine shake, but I did a little thinking and some research and this is what I believe the answer is; When doing a keto diet the BCAAs before hand and the glutamine glycine protocol post workout will not boot you out of ketosis, while still providing energy for the workout and refilling glycogen stores afterwards. That’s the benefit of glutamine. When doing a low carb diet that doesn’t invlove ketosis then you could stick with the carbs pre and post workout, and yes you still have 23 hours a day to low carb it.
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
What do you weigh? You don’t look like you are taking in a lot of calories. Sure you want to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight but you don’t want to go so low you chew off an arm.
6’2" 235-240[/quote]
Have you figured out how much protein you are taking in? You should be shooting for at least 1gram of protein per pound.
So you need 240grams of protein. Divide that by the meals you plan on eating a day, say 6, and you should be shooting for 40grams of protein per meal.
Now… I don’t know if you are muscular or if you are soft, but you may want to calculate by Lean Body Mass if you feel you are still eating too much protein. You should still hit the 1g/1lb, but you can adjust the weight if you have a bit of weight to lose.
It just didn’t seem like you were eating that much protein.
7:30p
Pot roast
Spinach salad with full fat italian dressing
some badass cheese and summer sausage
ZMA an hour before bed and fake milk/whey/bcaa shake at bed.
So my carbs are the 1 (sometimes 2) pieces of fruit and the PWO drink. PWO drink probably has 20 or 25 carbs since I’m lowering the gatorade and adding in glutamine. Minimal carbs in the nuts. No grains, no oats, etc. My breakfasts sometimes will be scrambled eggs with sausage or bacon, but you get the general gist. Dinner will sometimes be a fish, etc. This is accurate 75% of the time, but the constant is the vegetable and fruit intake. I really could use more veggies since I need to shit regularly. When I say spinach salad, it’s a lot of spinach, like 1/2 one of those bags of the fresh you get at the store. [/quote]
some things i would change:
6-10 is a long time without food, eat another meal in between your first two
be careful with the beef jerky when cutting, as it may contain more sugar and/or maltodextrin in the ingredients than you think. check the labeling. for the meals with jerky or nuts: instead, have a small handful of mixed nuts and a whey/casein mix protein shake
get a better pwo drink
cut dairy out altogether (though i don’t know much about CC milk, so maybe its ok)
more than two servings of veggies each day
protein and fat meals or protein and carbs, but don’t mix carbs and fat. (at the very least save the banana/apple for the meals around your workout time)
sausage, bacon, and cheese need to be kept to a minimum when cutting, or else you may take in too many calories. (when i first started low-carbing, i was taking in too many calories from fat to compensate. they add up quickly.)
