[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
CC wrote:
Yes, but you guys are still missing my point. As seen in the title of the thread, the OP was asking about Mr. Olympia.
I never said you can’t achieve a decent level of muscularity with the AD or other similar diet. I think the guy in that link looks great, especially at his height (as you mentioned Mis).
I was simply stating that no one, to my knowledge, has ever competed at the elite level of bodybuilding with that approach. We’re talking upwards of 300 pounds here, after dieting.
No complaining. This thread is still closer to being on topic than 95% of the threads on this forum.[/quote]
Oh, I wasn’t complaining, and I wholeheartedly agree with you both regarding your comments (outside of the context of the situation being discussed). Just as you said, the guy in that link has a physique far ahead of most people around here, myself included.
I just wanted to make sure that what I was trying to say was being understood correctly, that’s all.
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
low carb can be defined in so many ways. 50g of carbs per day seems really low. Is 250g-300g of carbs for someone who is 180 pounds low? I would say its somewhat moderate.
But, I do see your point. Since we are talking about Mr.Olympia, who weighs in around 300 pounds, if they ate 500 grams of carbs, that would be the same amount as the 180 pound guy eating 300g of carbs.[/quote]
That was going to be my post. Also, timing also plays such a huge part in it right? Unless it’s breakfast, pre, or post workout. I don’t really touch carbs. But that alone still gives me 200-250g.
Mind you I’m not a huge guy.
I think that the most popular method year round seems to be carb loading. Seems to work well for athletes and bodybuilders.
That was going to be my post. Also, timing also plays such a huge part in it right? Unless it’s breakfast, pre, or post workout. I don’t really touch carbs. But that alone still gives me 200-250g.
Mind you I’m not a huge guy.[/quote]
Not tryin’ to hammer ya here, but WTF? How do you get that many carbs WITHOUT touching them? I hope you were being sarcastic, because if not, get ready for the backlash!
That was going to be my post. Also, timing also plays such a huge part in it right? Unless it’s breakfast, pre, or post workout. I don’t really touch carbs. But that alone still gives me 200-250g.
Mind you I’m not a huge guy.
Not tryin’ to hammer ya here, but WTF? How do you get that many carbs WITHOUT touching them? I hope you were being sarcastic, because if not, get ready for the backlash![/quote]
You can easily take in that amount of carbs during breakfast, during your workout, and the two meals after working out…
50g breakfast
50g pre or during workout
75g post workout
75g 90min after postworkout
=250g…
[quote]GathCity wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
low carb can be defined in so many ways. 50g of carbs per day seems really low. Is 250g-300g of carbs for someone who is 180 pounds low? I would say its somewhat moderate.
But, I do see your point. Since we are talking about Mr.Olympia, who weighs in around 300 pounds, if they ate 500 grams of carbs, that would be the same amount as the 180 pound guy eating 300g of carbs.
That was going to be my post. Also, timing also plays such a huge part in it right? Unless it’s breakfast, pre, or post workout. I don’t really touch carbs. But that alone still gives me 200-250g.
Mind you I’m not a huge guy.
I think that the most popular method year round seems to be carb loading. Seems to work well for athletes and bodybuilders.
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I don’t understand why people who claim they aren’t very big are giving recommendations when the whole discussion is how it would benefit someone MUCH larger with MUCH greater goals in mind. I would never eat this way when GAINING. I eat like that when dieting and even then my endurance goes to shit.
[quote]shamus wrote:
Not tryin’ to hammer ya here, but WTF? How do you get that many carbs WITHOUT touching them? I hope you were being sarcastic, because if not, get ready for the backlash![/quote]
Is it me or is Shamus avatar/icon the size of an IMAX moviescreen?
[quote]Miserere wrote:
Somebody posted a link to another website where Serge Nubret says he ate 6-9 lbs of red meat a day, and about 1/2 lb of rice and beans.
Does Nubret qualify as an Olympian low-carber?[/quote]
He qualifies as someone who wasn’t afraid to bulk up to gain some size if he was eating like that.
[quote]Miserere wrote:
Professor X wrote:
He qualifies as someone who wasn’t afraid to bulk up to gain some size if he was eating like that.
He does say he was always in 85-90% competition shape all the time because of all the guest posing he did…
And 1/2 lb of rice or beans does not sound like a lot of carbs for someone his size.[/quote]
Yup, 1/2 lb cooked is not much at all. That’s a tremendous amount of meat though.
He also said he worked out 4 hrs a day so he probably burned off alot of what he ate.
X, you’re wrong about that bulking. Like the guy said he would stay in 90%contest shape year round. He said he didn’t believe in bulking, if he wanted to gain a kg it would be a kg of pure muscle.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
And 1/2 lb of rice or beans does not sound like a lot of carbs for someone his size.
Yup, 1/2 lb cooked is not much at all.
That’s a big assumption to think he was talking about the weight of beans and rice after cooking.
When someone mentions the weight of their rice and beans, it’s usually the weight before cooking.[/quote]
Not only that but I think it would be foolish to believe you are getting specifics from most of what you read. There are pro’s today who outweigh what Serge did by 40lbs who don’t get down 6lbs of beef a day (I have heard around 4lbs for some of the largest). To believe he was doing that with an absolute minimum of carb intake is a little outlandish. Serge wasn’t that big and Ronnie Coleman even in his first video where he showed his total daily intake of chicken and beef wasn’t eating 6lbs of beef alone…and he was much bigger than Serge even then.
I mean, let’s get real, I was getting down over 2-3lbs of beef a day for a while and that was in an all out attempt to gain more body weight expecting some body fat to come with it yet this guy was eating TWICE that and more? That would mean eating about 1lbs of beef at every single meal. Yet this was done while maintaining a single digit body fat percentage? But hey, it was written so it must be true…and Lee Priest is completely candid about his minimal anabolic use.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Miserere wrote:
Somebody posted a link to another website where Serge Nubret says he ate 6-9 lbs of red meat a day, and about 1/2 lb of rice and beans.
Does Nubret qualify as an Olympian low-carber?
He qualifies as someone who wasn’t afraid to bulk up to gain some size if he was eating like that. [/quote]
Did serge bulk up? he seemed to stay lean year round?
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Miserere wrote:
Somebody posted a link to another website where Serge Nubret says he ate 6-9 lbs of red meat a day, and about 1/2 lb of rice and beans.
Does Nubret qualify as an Olympian low-carber?
He qualifies as someone who wasn’t afraid to bulk up to gain some size if he was eating like that.
Did serge bulk up? he seemed to stay lean year round?[/quote]
We don’t know what Serge Nubret did year round aside from what he writes. He didn’t even live in this country. That is like saying Arnold never bulked up simply because you can’t find many pictures of him in the off season. At that time, there were very few pictures being taken without the bodybuilder being ready for it or at least knowing the camera was there. I would assume he didn’t go very far from competition weight, but I also don’t believe the man was eating close to over 6,000cals a day just from beef alone while also staying near competition shape so something sounds off either way.
Not only that but I think it would be foolish to believe you are getting specifics from most of what you read. There are pro’s today who outweigh what Serge did by 40lbs who don’t get down 6lbs of beef a day (I have heard around 4lbs for some of the largest). To believe he was doing that with an absolute minimum of carb intake is a little outlandish. Serge wasn’t that big and Ronnie Coleman even in his first video where he showed his total daily intake of chicken and beef wasn’t eating 6lbs of beef alone…and he was much bigger than Serge even then.
I mean, let’s get real, I was getting down over 2-3lbs of beef a day for a while and that was in an all out attempt to gain more body weight expecting some body fat to come with it yet this guy was eating TWICE that and more? That would mean eating about 1lbs of beef at every single meal. Yet this was done while maintaining a single digit body fat percentage? But hey, it was written so it must be true…and Lee Priest is completely candid about his minimal anabolic use.[/quote]
I think you should read the thread. Check it out, he lays out his training, diet, everything “specifically.”
He ate a shitload of food, but he also worked out for like 4 to 5 hrs a day so like I said before he probably burns alot of what he eats.
He also specifically said, “I didnt bulk,I stayed close to competition level year round (85% to 90%.)”
Not only that but I think it would be foolish to believe you are getting specifics from most of what you read. There are pro’s today who outweigh what Serge did by 40lbs who don’t get down 6lbs of beef a day (I have heard around 4lbs for some of the largest). To believe he was doing that with an absolute minimum of carb intake is a little outlandish. Serge wasn’t that big and Ronnie Coleman even in his first video where he showed his total daily intake of chicken and beef wasn’t eating 6lbs of beef alone…and he was much bigger than Serge even then.
I mean, let’s get real, I was getting down over 2-3lbs of beef a day for a while and that was in an all out attempt to gain more body weight expecting some body fat to come with it yet this guy was eating TWICE that and more? That would mean eating about 1lbs of beef at every single meal. Yet this was done while maintaining a single digit body fat percentage? But hey, it was written so it must be true…and Lee Priest is completely candid about his minimal anabolic use.
I think you should read the thread. Check it out, he lays out his training, diet, everything “specifically.”
He ate a shitload of food, but he also worked out for like 4 to 5 hrs a day so like I said before he probably burns alot of what he eats.
He also specifically said, “I didnt bulk,I stayed close to competition level year round (85% to 90%.)”[/quote]
I will read the thread, but that doesn’t change my opinion of what you and others stated he wrote. I do believe he stayed near competition shape. I don’t believe the 6lbs of beef a day thing. I hope he had stock in a leading brand of laxatives as well.
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
If you’re going to call me out at least know what you’re talking about. Did you read the thread? No, because if you did you would see where he says it was the cooked weight.[/quote]
Sorry, but I haven’t the time or desire to track down a thread where a famous person is supposedly quoted as saying something that doesn’t make sense.
I’ve seen too many articles where outlandish claims were made about various professional athletes diets to believe them any more. Just because someone is quoted as saying something doesn’t mean they actually said it or that it’s true.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
If you’re going to call me out at least know what you’re talking about. Did you read the thread? No, because if you did you would see where he says it was the cooked weight.
Sorry, but I haven’t the time or desire to track down a thread where a famous person is supposedly quoted as saying something that doesn’t make sense.
I’ve seen too many articles where outlandish claims were made about various professional athletes diets to believe them any more. Just because someone is quoted as saying something doesn’t mean they actually said it or that it’s true.[/quote]
Well it is actually Serge Nubret saying it. http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?topic=13814.0
Prof X he did say he also ate a lot of horsemeat so some it may have been beef and horsemeat, not sure. I am sure you could ask Serge any questions you need clarified on that message board.