great thread.
my philosophy on steroids was greatly influenced by my many conversations with louie on the phone many years ago before he got so famous.
he told me in a peanut shell that he had been on non stop for over 20 years, never cycled, never came off.
he told me to get on a low dose of something fairly benign, and STAY on.
good advice.
Thats a great point that alot of people miss. Most powerlifters stay on smaller amounts but year round. I really think you could safely use amounts at 500mg total or under pretty much indefinetly and not have any real problems as long as you monitor your bloodwork and respond to issues such as estrogen control and the like. But most guys can’t do this because for any amount of exogenous angrogens you will still reach a plateau at some point. You have to accept this, if not you will continue to escalate your dosages chasing just a few more pounds and it never ends. I tell guys that want to juice now the whole truth and let them make their own decisions.
[quote]supermick wrote:
morepain wrote:
Just a quick note from personal experience. I used large amounts of anabolics for ten plus years, in the 1-2 gram range per week non-stop. Where it screwed me was mentally. When i decided to stop i had all labs run working with an internal medicine specialist. My test level was 7217, reference range 290-1100, so yes i was jacked! All other labs came back within normal ranges, no lipid problems, no problems on my CBC, PSA normal etc. My doctor was shocked, i attributed it to a healthy diet, lots of fish oil (10 to 15 grams daily), lots of water, and no recreational drugs or alcohol. Don’t get me wrong, i suffered big time coming off all this stuff, mentally primarily…but physically i never suffered any ill effects. I do have to take an HRT dose of test now but would have had to anyway, my test level was always very low that is why i originally started down the steroid path.
poper wrote:
I was wondering pretty much the same thing. Maybe the steroids would be the culprit to some of these negative effects Dave Tate is suffering from.
Your a good example of a conciencious user. Tate doesnt strike me as the kind of bloke who worries about fish oils, garlic caps, coq10, milk thistle or any other ancilleries.[/quote]
Well i don’t know if i would call it consciensious ; more like lucky with the amounts of stuff i was taking.