Losing Lbs and Getting Leaner

Thanks to everyone who posted a reply -I noticed that out of the replies posted there were a lot of comments, but not enough feedback providing a solution. I cannot jack my weight up to 185-190 lbs and then try to cut…it’s just not beneficial for soccer and the endurance committments that the sport requires. If you do a google search for pictures of David Beckham, Ronaldinho, Fredrik Ljungberg, etc, you’ll see that theyre not big at all - theyre cut and powerful. That’s what I want to achieve …I just need detailed assistance with structuring a workout routine and nutritional plan (what to eat, how much, and when).

I’ll become someone’s “Project” in essence if they want to commit to helping me.

Thanks

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
Thanks to everyone who posted a reply -I noticed that out of the replies posted there were a lot of comments, but not enough feedback providing a solution. I cannot jack my weight up to 185-190 lbs and then try to cut…it’s just not beneficial for soccer and the endurance committments that the sport requires. If you do a google search for pictures of David Beckham, Ronaldinho, Fredrik Ljungberg, etc, you’ll see that theyre not big at all - theyre cut and powerful. That’s what I want to achieve …I just need detailed assistance with structuring a workout routine and nutritional plan (what to eat, how much, and when).

I’ll become someone’s “Project” in essence if they want to commit to helping me.

Thanks[/quote]

Holy crap you’re never going to succeed if you can’t help yourself. With all of the information available on this site, and on the net in general, you need us to detail and structure a plan for you? Do you want one of us to come to your house and cook for you too?

Seriously though- those pro soccer players you mentioned have been at this a long time. Do you think they just started lean and cut? I’m sure they went through bulking and cutting stages too, unless they are just blessed with terrific genes. It’s called bulking in the off season. It’s too late for you this year, so just work on getting your diet dialed in and train hard.

Since you’re a newbie it is still possible for you to gain mass and lose fat at the same time. It is just important to realize that won’t last forever, and it won’t even start if you don’t. Pick a plan, stick with it, and stop expecting other people to take you on as a pet project. It’s not going to happen.

Most great soccer players never bulked.

They are very active and are gifted athletes. Some of them have great diets, others have horrible diets.

If you are playing and practicing on a regular basis you are probably getting enough cardio work in season. Run a few hills or sprints after practice.

You do need to do some upper body work.

Bench, row, overhead press and chin ups a few days a week.

With all your playing you probably don’t need as much lower body work but still squat and deadlift at least one day a week in season.

If you do it the day after your game you should have time to recover.

What is your diet like? Fixing it will get you lean. The training will build muscle to make you look good.

you’ve got good wheels mate but your upper body needs a lot of work, legs look pretty good.

From the looks of your photo, you look very soft & out of shape. Maybe your the water boy for the soccer team. J/k!

You must eat very unhealthy to be looking like this. I assume you don’t even lift, do you??

Anyways, good your going to do something about it!

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
Thanks to everyone who posted a reply -I noticed that out of the replies posted there were a lot of comments, but not enough feedback providing a solution. I cannot jack my weight up to 185-190 lbs and then try to cut…it’s just not beneficial for soccer and the endurance committments that the sport requires. If you do a google search for pictures of David Beckham, Ronaldinho, Fredrik Ljungberg, etc, you’ll see that theyre not big at all - theyre cut and powerful. That’s what I want to achieve …I just need detailed assistance with structuring a workout routine and nutritional plan (what to eat, how much, and when).

I’ll become someone’s “Project” in essence if they want to commit to helping me.

Thanks[/quote]

OK, I’m going to chime in here since I lift weights and also play soccer (although I am by no means, an expert). I’m 5’ 7" 193 lbs and would probably like to get a [i]touch[/i] leaner for the soccer season that will be starting shortly.

However, my intent in doing that is to hang onto every precious ounce of muscle I’ve earned from countless hours in the gym. I’m 3 inches shorter than you, but also 23 lbs heavier (and my speed is still very good).

The problem you are facing is an odd one (but one I have given thought to): soccer players (especially ones who play extensively) are not exactly the most jacked dudes in the world. They run such a God awful amount that it’s pretty difficult to have a lot of muscle. In addition, I don’t think your average soccer players spends very much time giving weight training much thought for improving their games.

Judging by your photos and your goals, I would absolutely URGE you not to take on a formal plan of cutting. That being said, I am also not saying you need to up your weight a bunch right before the season starts. That would just be crazy and if you are playing a lot, it would also be fruitless.

So what to do?

I think you can balance out your two goals if you approach it realistically. No one on here is going to create a tailor made plan for you for free, but if I can throw out a suggestion, take a look at Joe DeFranco’s Westside for Skinny Bastards II here on the site:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=667308

This will serve two purposes for you:

  1. Give you a structured program to follow; and

  2. Give you a program that focuses on performance (but will also give your build a kick in the pants as well).

Not to cut on you too hard, but saying you have a “good base of muscle mass on my body as a soccer player” is really not saying a whole lot. All of the players you described above may be cut, but none of them are “powerful” at all. Rooney is about as close as you will come to a powerful looking soccer player.

If you really want to look good for those photos AND still do well in soccer, cutting is just simply not an option. You will honestly just end up looking worse since post-cut, there will not be any muscle mass to go along with the leanness… and quite frankly, your game is going to suffer too.

Eat a healthy variety of foods, but be sure you eat enough, probably more than you are used to. Your body is going to need that fuel to build muscle from somewhere and if you are running 5X a week, that is going to be a severe drain on those resources you need for building muscle.

I hope that helps some. I can certainly appreciate your position, but as most people on here have pointed out, you need to focus getting some muscle built up and NOT buy into the idea that it will somehow be “non-functional”.

Kuz

Today’s tip comes from Alwyn Cosgrove:

3 Fat Loss Tips

For fat loss you need to observe some primary goals, including:

  1. Burn as many calories as possible through resting metabolic rate. Lean muscle is metabolically active, so building muscle or at least maintaining it is extremely important.

  2. Burn more calories through increased meal frequency (digestion burns calories).

  3. Burn more calories through macronutrient manipulation. The thermic effect of protein is twice as high as the thermic effect of fat or carbohydrate ? and it adds up!

This is what I want to look like…he’s got the long and lean physique that Id like to have for myself and he isnt “massy” - meaning he doesnt look like a typical bodybuilder -

Can someone PLEASE help me write a specific program?

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
This is what I want to look like…he’s got the long and lean physique that Id like to have for myself and he isnt “massy” - meaning he doesnt look like a typical bodybuilder -

Can someone PLEASE help me write a specific program?
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WTF?? That was scary shit. You want to look like a skinny teenager?

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
This is what I want to look like…he’s got the long and lean physique that Id like to have for myself and he isnt “massy” - meaning he doesnt look like a typical bodybuilder -

Can someone PLEASE help me write a specific program?
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Uhm, why did you even post that link. I almost had to spit out my food! I don’t like wasting food! Why? Well because if I waist food I might end up looking like that twat in the video!

Seriously, trust me, you don’t want to look like that.

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
This is what I want to look like…he’s got the long and lean physique that Id like to have for myself and he isnt “massy” - meaning he doesnt look like a typical bodybuilder -

Can someone PLEASE help me write a specific program?
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LOL @ “massy”.

Someone had to do it…

Anyway, check out Roberto Carlos’ stats:
http://robertocarlos03.terra.com.br/robertocarlos/

1,68m (5ft6") and 73kg (163lbs)

Marcel Desailly
http://marceldesailly.sports.fr/en/toutsavoir/ma_bio/index.asp

1,83m (6ft0") and 80kg (178lbs)

Sigurdt Rushfeldt

1,90m (6ft2") and 88kg (196lbs)

Although these guys aren’t “massy”, it shows that you don’t have to be skinny to play soccer. In my opinion, hitting the weights hard and focusing on the upper body would be the best option.

You might find that the SOCCER FORUMS might be more in line with what you want to do.

Evryone here will laugh at 5’10" , 170 and cutting.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Soccergod wrote:
I do have a good base of muscle mass on my body as a soccer player

No…you don’t, and perhaps putting more intensity into your weight training would help increase your metabolism enough to help you out in your goal. Like was said before, someone with very little muscle mass will not look “better” by losing even more weight. You will simply be leaner. There has to be something there to define, otherwise you just look skinny.[/quote]

This is one of those things that I wish I had figured out four years ago.

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
This is what I want to look like…he’s got the long and lean physique that Id like to have for myself and he isnt “massy” - meaning he doesnt look like a typical bodybuilder -

Can someone PLEASE help me write a specific program?
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Ouch.

This site is not the place for you bud. I’m not trying to be a pric,but you just shot yourself in the foot with that one.

Sexy kenny??? WTF was that video. Why oh why did I click.

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I think the best you can do is lookup one of the basic routines modify it as you wish. You seem to want a very specific type of workout in mind and you are torn between soccer/bradd pitt/bodybuilding goals. So who better to do this than yourself? The worst that can happen its a failure, and you will just have additional knowledge on what does not work. You can later come back and say something “I tried this for 3 months, didn’t work” and get better feedback.

Also aim to the fucking sky if you want to hit that far out mountain.

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
This is what I want to look like…he’s got the long and lean physique that Id like to have for myself and he isnt “massy” - meaning he doesnt look like a typical bodybuilder -

Can someone PLEASE help me write a specific program?
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It’s going to be difficult for you to find people here who understand your goals as most on this site prefer to look like they have some mass. However if you’re serious that you really want to be small and lean there is still information here that can help you. Here are some tips to get you started:

  1. Go read everything in the nutrition section so you at least have some idea of what you’re doing. The best person to design your diet is you as everyone is unique.

  2. Start keeping a food log, or plan your meals ahead of time and track compliance. If you can’t measure what you’re taking in, you have no way of knowing how to adjust it.

  3. Having more muscle burns more calories and makes you look leaner even at the same BF% so you’ll want to do some upper body work in addition to whatever you’ve got set now. Look through the training section and find something that is a whole body plan composed of compound lifts and start following it. TBT or WSFSB or something like that.

  4. Improve your food quality. Eat lots of meat, vegetables, and fruit. Try to eliminate all sugary drinks including juice. Oats are your friend. Try to take in most of your carbs first thing in the morning or right after you work out.

  5. Make sure you’re getting 1.5g of protein for each pound of lean body mass, or 1.0g per pound of body weight.

  6. Drink ALOT of water, at least a gallon a day. Green tea is good too.

  7. Take a fat burner like HOT-ROX but don’t expect miracles, this will only give you about a 5% boost over your nutrition plan. FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE!

  8. Make sure you’re taking creatine and fish oil.

  9. Measure your weight and bodyfat percentage on a regular basis, and record them so that you can compare them to your food log and see if you’re on track.

  10. Keep a workout log so you can track how well you’re doing.

  11. Be patient, everyone overestimates how hard it will be and underestimates how long it will take. A one pound a week change in body composition is good progress.

  12. Since you’re already playing alot of soccer, don’t go too
    crazy on the cardio.

  13. Make sure you’re getting at least 8 hours of sleep per night, and that your sleep schedule is regular. Try to fit in at least one nap per week.

  14. Cut out as much alcohol as you can, it lowers your testosterone.

  15. Try to eat every three hours, at least six times per day.

  16. Pay attention to who on the boards knows what they’re talking about, and who doesn’t. Try to listen to the ones who do.

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
This is what I want to look like…he’s got the long and lean physique that Id like to have for myself and he isnt “massy” - meaning he doesnt look like a typical bodybuilder -

Can someone PLEASE help me write a specific program?
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You are going to have to figure that out yourself.

How many days a week do you practice? For how long?

If you lift a few weights and burn a few pounds of fat you will look like the kid in that video. He is not very big.

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
This is what I want to look like…he’s got the long and lean physique that Id like to have for myself and he isnt “massy” - meaning he doesnt look like a typical bodybuilder -

Can someone PLEASE help me write a specific program?
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HA HA HA. That is some funny shit. I’d laugh out loud if I saw him doing that. There’s nothing but at best average muscle there. I especially like the stupid ass hat sideways thing…what is that anyway? The Rap music makes him seem tougher though!! LMAO!!!

[quote]Soccergod wrote:
This is what I want to look like…he’s got the long and lean physique that Id like to have for myself and he isnt “massy” - meaning he doesnt look like a typical bodybuilder -

Can someone PLEASE help me write a specific program?
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Oh my god…
speechless, absolutely speechless. Tearing off the shirt was my favorite part.