Thanks trib i will check it out!
Yeah Chutec, shit i didnt know margarine was that bad, i thought butter was worse? Oh and i’m down to mostly plain oats now, rice is only for the first post workout meal. Is multigrain bread ok? Its pretty coarse, not those highly refined types.
I dont want to get all matrix on you, but we have been programmed to think that aniamal fat is bad and ‘low fat’ substitutes like margarine are the way to avoid heart and weight problems.
This couldnt be further from the truth. One set of fats is new, chemically altered, hydrogonated.
the other set of fats are naturally occuring and have been eaten by man for god knows how long.
which sounds like something you want to put in you?
now. weight and heart issues are on the up only recently (last 50 years).
the cause is a lack of exercise, combined with trans fats, refined (white) flour and refined sugar.
people have run away from villainised animal fat, straight into the waiting maw of carbohydrate/sugar heaven.
if someone wants to argue on behalf of the refining industry, and still thinks animal fat is the problem, please knock yourself out, i havent had a laugh in a while.
Jnev, dont swallow anything anyone tells you. take their information and go do your own broad research on it.
if people hadnt followed ‘science’ and ‘facts’ from the early 60s then we wouldnt be in such a terrible state now.
if your wanting to lose fat - if its white dont eat it.
the key words for bread are wholemeal, wholegrain.
multiseed and multi grain can conceivably hide the refined basis for the product.
you can eat carbs like oats if you want outside the carb ‘windows’ but if you arent seeing results, cut them out.
rant over.
sorry margarine just pisses me off.
Go hardcore and try the Velocity Diet… I’m thinking about it myself…
hey man…I went through the same pain till now. What everyone said above me is correct, you can’t spot reduce. The only way to get rid of it is proper diet and intense exercise
A great way to crank up the intensity is reduce the rest between each set and really diversify your training routine. I change up my workouts every week using different training methods (heavy duty training, turbulence training, 20 rep squats,…etc) all that good stuff. Its great because your body won’t have time to adapt and it will burn calories like crazy to keep up with the new demands you put on it.
I did this and went from 220 to 225 Ibs and dropped from 13% to 11% body fat.
Good luck with your training and eat healthy!!
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
You can’t lose fat and not lose muscle EFFECTIVELY at the same time. It’s like scratching your ass while you’re in a 100m dash.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This line seriously had me holding my abs in pain from laughter. Awesome.
[quote]akhilraman2000 wrote:
hey man…I went through the same pain till now. What everyone said above me is correct, you can’t spot reduce. The only way to get rid of it is proper diet and intense exercise
A great way to crank up the intensity is reduce the rest between each set and really diversify your training routine. I change up my workouts every week using different training methods (heavy duty training, turbulence training, 20 rep squats,…etc) all that good stuff. Its great because your body won’t have time to adapt and it will burn calories like crazy to keep up with the new demands you put on it.
I did this and went from 220 to 225 Ibs and dropped from 13% to 11% body fat.
Good luck with your training and eat healthy!![/quote]
Thanks dude!
Yeah i always cringe when i see people in the gym doin tons of ab workouts thinking they can spot reduce!
The past two days were not particularly good for me, especially with dieting! argh… nvm i will press on…
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Well, you can’t be best at both worlds. You can’t lose fat and not lose muscle EFFECTIVELY at the same time. It’s like scratching your ass while you’re in a 100m dash.
You see, weight loss is not selective. You will lose muscle and fat once you reduce your caloric intake. However, you can MINIMIZE muscle loss by doing a strength routine while you diet. It also helps if you eat less fat and more protein.
I’d also check out the physique clinics of those endo guys if I were you.[/quote]
I’m sorry but I couldn’t disagree more with this. I don’t see guys that know what they are doing lose tons of muscle getting in shape. Not bodybuilding contest lean which is a whole different story. I DO SEE people who panic diet and do crazy things with their diet and training to try to get lean who come out looking like skeletons.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
Well, you can’t be best at both worlds. You can’t lose fat and not lose muscle EFFECTIVELY at the same time. It’s like scratching your ass while you’re in a 100m dash.
You see, weight loss is not selective. You will lose muscle and fat once you reduce your caloric intake. However, you can MINIMIZE muscle loss by doing a strength routine while you diet. It also helps if you eat less fat and more protein.
I’d also check out the physique clinics of those endo guys if I were you.
I’m sorry but I couldn’t disagree more with this. I don’t see guys that know what they are doing lose tons of muscle getting in shape. Not bodybuilding contest lean which is a whole different story. I DO SEE people who panic diet and do crazy things with their diet and training to try to get lean who come out looking like skeletons. [/quote]
True, but I think people get lost in the process without a full understanding of how their own body works. When dieting, your main goal is to lose fat and hold onto the muscle mass you have. At least, it is your goal if you have half a clue what you are doing.
Some MAY experience a gain in muscle mass, however, if they had approached this as if that was the intent, they would have simply slowed down their own progress. That “gain” may be based on hormonal factors, or other variables that are basically beyond their control.
Many more when dieting WILL experience a loss in muscle mass because it takes a deep knowledge of what makes your own body adapt to prevent this. Most people jumping on treadmills for an hour before they lift some light weights really quick don’t have any sort of perspective on how to build or maintain their muscle mass. Their diets are usually much less than optimal and they don’t know how to push themselves in the weight room.
Obviously, experience is the greatest teacher. Very few people, however, are willing to put that time in and learn what works best for them. They are more likely to simply follow some guru while eternally remaining lost.
If someone’s goal was to avoid muscle loss during dieting, they would first need an understanding of what it takes for their body to gain muscle mass and maintain it optimally. Most of these guys are attempting to bypass that completely.
I haven’t seen that work for very many people yet.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
True, but I think people get lost in the process without a full understanding of how their own body works. When dieting, your main goal is to lose fat and hold onto the muscle mass you have. At least, it is your goal if you have half a clue what you are doing.
Some MAY experience a gain in muscle mass, however, if they had approached this as if that was the intent, they would have simply slowed down their own progress. That “gain” may be based on hormonal factors, or other variables that are basically beyond their control.
Many more when dieting WILL experience a loss in muscle mass because it takes a deep knowledge of what makes your own body adapt to prevent this. Most people jumping on treadmills for an hour before they lift some light weights really quick don’t have any sort of perspective on how to build or maintain their muscle mass. Their diets are usually much less than optimal and they don’t know how to push themselves in the weight room.
Obviously, experience is the greatest teacher. Very few people, however, are willing to put that time in and learn what works best for them. They are more likely to simply follow some guru while eternally remaining lost.
If someone’s goal was to avoid muscle loss during dieting, they would first need an understanding of what it takes for their body to gain muscle mass and maintain it optimally. Most of these guys are attempting to bypass that completely.
I haven’t seen that work for very many people yet.[/quote]
Yeah I can’t say I disagree here, my problem is I often times assume(and get proven wrong A LOT) that people are using common sense with their training and are taking down body fat because they have a good base of muscle under it.
Also having figured out some things on how to put on and therefore keep it. That’s entirely my fault and I need to stop assuming things about people on this site lately.
sorry to resurrect and possibly hijack a dying thread but one can reduce bodyfat regardless of size right? I’m not huge by any standards (5ft 10 160-162lbs) and my BF is probably around 13% but i really want to get to around 10-9%, my one fear is that I will lose whatever muscle gains I’ve made over the past year. Is there like a threshold where cutting stops working?
[quote]Octane wrote:
sorry to resurrect and possibly hijack a dying thread but one can reduce bodyfat regardless of size right? I’m not huge by any standards (5ft 10 160-162lbs) and my BF is probably around 13% but i really want to get to around 10-9%, my one fear is that I will lose whatever muscle gains I’ve made over the past year. Is there like a threshold where cutting stops working?[/quote]
You are 5’10 and only weigh 160lbs with 13% body fat. Unless you had a physique similar to those tortured at Auschwitz to start with, exactly how much muscle have you gained? Your lean body mass is less than 140lbs…which is pretty average for someone who has never lifted before. Yes, you will probably lose any muscle you gained, however much that was.
i couldnt tell you exact muscle vs fat (i was 142 now im around 160) I feel like numbers dont do me justice, i’m certainly not huge at all but saying I weigh 160lbs @ 5’10 makes me sound scrawny, i have a stocky build. Im really only @ a deficit of around 2-300 calories/day and still heavy lifting twice a week with 2 sessions of low speed long duration cardio. Gonna test it out for 2 weeks and if i experience any severe muscle loss I’ll quit
[quote]Octane wrote:
i couldnt tell you exact muscle vs fat (i was 142 now im around 160) I feel like numbers dont do me justice, i’m certainly not huge at all but saying I weigh 160lbs @ 5’10 makes me sound scrawny, i have a stocky build. Im really only @ a deficit of around 2-300 calories/day and still heavy lifting twice a week with 2 sessions of low speed long duration cardio. Gonna test it out for 2 weeks and if i experience any severe muscle loss I’ll quit [/quote]
‘I’m gonna ask some experienced guy his advice on whether to cut’
‘Oh, he didn’t tell me what I want to hear. I’m gonna do it anyway’
[quote]will to power wrote:
Octane wrote:
i couldnt tell you exact muscle vs fat (i was 142 now im around 160) I feel like numbers dont do me justice, i’m certainly not huge at all but saying I weigh 160lbs @ 5’10 makes me sound scrawny, i have a stocky build. Im really only @ a deficit of around 2-300 calories/day and still heavy lifting twice a week with 2 sessions of low speed long duration cardio. Gonna test it out for 2 weeks and if i experience any severe muscle loss I’ll quit
‘I’m gonna ask some experienced guy his advice on whether to cut’
‘Oh, he didn’t tell me what I want to hear. I’m gonna do it anyway’[/quote]
“I’m going to be a condescending douche and start a flame war”
I have a decent amount of fat to lose in problem areas that I’d rather take care of before I start gaining again. I personally learn through experience, i figure 2 weeks should be enough to notice any severe changes without causing irreversible damage. Everything I’ve read seems to state that losing fat b4 “bulking” is better, no disrespect meant to X, I’m thankful for his response.
[quote]Octane wrote:
will to power wrote:
Octane wrote:
i couldnt tell you exact muscle vs fat (i was 142 now im around 160) I feel like numbers dont do me justice, i’m certainly not huge at all but saying I weigh 160lbs @ 5’10 makes me sound scrawny, i have a stocky build. Im really only @ a deficit of around 2-300 calories/day and still heavy lifting twice a week with 2 sessions of low speed long duration cardio. Gonna test it out for 2 weeks and if i experience any severe muscle loss I’ll quit
‘I’m gonna ask some experienced guy his advice on whether to cut’
‘Oh, he didn’t tell me what I want to hear. I’m gonna do it anyway’
“I’m going to be a condescending douche and start a flame war”
I have a decent amount of fat to lose in problem areas that I’d rather take care of before I start gaining again. I personally learn through experience, i figure 2 weeks should be enough to notice any severe changes without causing irreversible damage. Everything I’ve read seems to state that losing fat b4 “bulking” is better, no disrespect meant to X, I’m thankful for his response.
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Or maybe I was trying to get you to think about why you asked the question in the first place and to consider the advice a little more seriously. Also, I’ve read those articles on this site too but listening to guys who have gotten truly big and lean it seems the problem of people hamstringing their progress by constantly bulking, cutting, bulking, cutting so that they’re going 2 steps forwards 1.5 steps backwards is what’s really keeping them from their goals.
Even if someone’s bulk ends up being too dirty dropping fat takes a lot less time than putting on muscle and is easier the more muscle you have. Just look at Dave Tate, who built a large base of muscle over 20 years then went from fat powerlifter to super lean in a few months.
All I’m saying is listen to the guys who have done it before you, especially when they don’t have to fill article after article with information. Oh and try to be a little less touchy.