Currently on a 500MG test e cycle, my plan is to add another compound soon since my blast will last around 6 months (4-6 weeks in already). I never ran anything outside of testosterone, so i’m not really sure what i can run besides it, i just wanna increase anabolism with another compound.
Primo is not an option since my source doesn’t have it and i don’t trust any primo that isn’t Pharm Grade, plus it’s really expensive for me. I’m trying to get into the Idea of trying a 19 nor like mainly Deca with a relatively low dose or EQ but i’m not too sure.
EQ seems like a good candidate but i keep reading conflicting things that it doesn’t increase mass at all, same thing with Mast. Deca looks good from a mass pov as well as for joint lubrication but i’m a bit scared with the potential mental and sexual sides. I also played around with the idea of running low dose Var for a long period, but again, i’m not too sure.
Any help would be appreciated guys.
P.S : I’m on TRT already so not afraid of shutdown and will not do any PCT. I have also started HCG recently at around 300 IU E3D if that matters.
Given that building muscle takes time, o rather blast for a significant long time then maintain it on a cruise and spend that time cutting. As long as bloodwork is fine, i’m capping the blast at 6 months, anything bad happens and i’ll drop immediately to a cruise/TRT. The reason i would like to add a second compound at a low dose is just to try it out and see how i react to it side effect wise.
I was also playing around with the idea of low dose Tren (maybe 100MG per week or even lower)
So the test is just now reaching peak levels in your system. May I ask why not just let it work and see what you get from it before adding another drug?
Very, very wise of you.
I suggest NPP over Tren as the sides are not as bad for most people.
Another reason to run NPP. If you’re set on trying a 19Nor and it doesn’t go well, NPP will clear out fast if you need to stop. Also pro tip: I had bad mental sides from NPP and added 200mg/day P5P to my regimen and sides gone.
Just beware that this directly translates to “playing around with the idea of straining my kidneys for a long period.”
Only help I can offer is to suggest……
running the 500 test only, for a max of 20 weeks and see what you can get out of it.
Cruise on TRT for a couple months
then next cycle, try adding another compound as you mentioned.
Between now and then, do a bunch of research before you decide which compound to add to next cycle. Factors to consider when adding compound to next cycle:
A . What are your goals?
B. How much risk are you willing to take?
C. How much money are you willing to spend?
I genuinely hope all this input helps you. Good luck man.
I’m gonna start with saying this doesn’t seem like a great idea. But sounds like something I might try to do based on my current goals.
With that said, I’m highly intrigued (i’ve never gone over 14 weeks) and I think your best bet would be to maybe drop the test dose a bit (350-400/wk) and introduce a either several different short ester compounds (maybe 4 for 6 weeks each), or maybe 2 different mid-long ester compounds (each for 12 weeks).
I am personally a huge fan of 19-NORS, but a lot of people do not respond well to them and I don’t usually recommend them simply because of that. Is your goal to add mass? lean out? strength?
That’s a good plan too, just a bit impatient i guess since i’ve ran test at 300mg previously and the gains were okay but nothing world shattering.
Yes but i’m talking about a very low dose of 10 to 20mg since i’ve seen some studies on burn victims and elderly people where this dose didn’t have any negative impact (no significant one atleast) on major organs.
My goals is to add Mass over the next few years as well as some decent strength. Not looking to compete or anything like that
I’m okay with some risk provided that it doesn’t carry on to long term issues.
I honnestly don’t know, but it’s safe to say that i’m just looking for basic cost effective cycles for long term progress. I would like to find one or two other compounds that i can put on size with which would be a staple in my futur cycles, that are cost effective, that don’t carry out much risk in the long run and that can be ran succesfully. I don’t wanna run anything expensive because i don’t trust my source, i can get my hands on pharm grade test e (250MG per ml) from my local pharmacy as well as pharm grade deca (100MG per ml) and if i can work with just these two compounds then i’d be very happy and maye even healthy.
This is extremely helpful, i really appreciate the help man.
Just to put on Mass and strength. Leaning out is not an issue, i can lean out on a cruise since i’m not looking to be shredded or be on a stage anytime soon. I might just trim the fat off to have more bulking time, but that’s it. I’m perfectly okay with carrying around 15% bf.
Personally I love both NPP and tren, and also MENT, but it’s a whole different animal.
BUT you need to be fully aware of all of the sides with respect to the first two before you decide to jump on. I’m not talking about just bitch tits or getting moody. I’m referring to the cardio and neuro effects of these compounds.
EDIT: for bulking, nandrolone is much better than tren IMO
I’m 27 and 78 to 80KG at around 13 to 15% bf. I’m also 178 cm.
I’ve been on TRT and dabbled with cruise kind of doses of test of around 250mg to 300mg.
Bench is my weakest lift : 92,5 kg 1RM
Squat ass to grass : 140kg 1RM
Deadlift : 200kg 1RM
Pull ups : if i’m fresh i might do 10-12 reps with proper form
Honestly I think the most anabolic thing you can do right now is increase cals and make sure you’re getting ~8 hours sleep per night. There’s no need to add all of that extra stress to your body through drugs. With your current stats, it seems as though you should still be able to gain a lot of strength and mass off just test alone and a lot more cals.
I noticed a huge increase in performance and recovery once I dialed in my sleep. I was a habitual 4-5 hours per night sleeper (for the better part of 14 years), and I increased it to 7-8 hours in March of last year and it’s made a huge difference.
Stan Efferding talked about this in a seminar he did with Mark Bell. I’m paraphrasing, but he said something like “Most of you know who I am. With all my years of experience, and all my education, if I am telling you that sleep is THE most important factor, that should tell you something.”
I met Stan once one his US tour last year. Dude is a monster, but he’s also smart as fuck. He’s the one that REALLY got me interested in nutrition and sleep
I was going to make a suggestion but @RT_Nomad asked the right questions, and @wsmwannabe answered already.
At that weight and bodyfat(probably around 20 if you estemate 15) and those lifts are on the average side. I would think you can gain more just by focusing on correct training and eating.
You are already doing 500mg of test - that is ALOT. You will get twice as much out of it on a correct training program and better diet, than just doing what you do now and adding deca or tren.
The problem with adding good drugs to a shit lifestyle is once you take em away you also loose all the gains - been there, done that. 500mg of test is a solid blast - you can add HGH or Mk677 if you want something extra, but i wouldnt add other steroids at this point.
I don’t think you are going to like this, but I would stick to testosterone only until you get quite a bit more strength. Without seeing you lift, I’ll give you my opinion on when to put your health in anymore risk for some more muscle.
Bench Press: 1.5 times your bodyweight for 5 reps
Squat: (parallel) 2.0 times your bodyweight for 5 reps
Deadlift: 2.0 times your bodyweight for 5 reps
Pull ups: 20 reps
Using percentages you are there with your deadlift.
Your Bench Press needs to increase about 40kg and your Squat about 60kg
Accomplish this with a number of lifestyle changes, as mentioned by wsmwannabe, like sleep, diet, and add to that training strategy changes. Just strive to get stronger and bigger will come. Do higher reps on some workouts for muscle hypertrophy. Do lower reps for strength, so that you can do more weight for higher reps. High reps with little weight provides little hypertrophy benefits…
I appreciate the input and i’m welcoming any criticism good or bad. I will stick to people’s advices here since you guys have better knowledge that me.
Those studies use something like 2.5mg, once or twice daily, and they do indeed see a big impact on lipids and SHBG. Short term that’s prolly not a huge deal, but running for months on end? Idk, would personally take a few breaks and get labwork