Looking for Experienced Advice

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5’8"
195lbs
7-8% body fat
32" waist
17" arms
max bench at 218lbs was 405
max bench since weight loss ?
Cardio HIIT EveryDay 20 min 7 days a week
Workout-mon chest, tues shoulders, wed arms, thur back, fri legs. sat-sun rest…
Training 2 years very solid

Currently Tren A 75 EOD and Test Prop 200 EOD…been on for 11 weeks now and seem to be staying pretty lean and gaining size.used gh for 6 months prior just fr fat loss. weighed 218 two months ago , went on low carb / high protein diet and lost to 192. now cycling carbs and stay about 195.

totally ripped arms, chest, legs, etc…obliques are awesome.very vascular…cant get central abs to cut down…never been big on working legs however last week i started and will continue. i am thinking of changing to everyday on the tren and prop for 4 weeks then ramp off…

also thought of droping the prop and just running tren 75 everyday…will this cut the remaining fat from abdominals…so close…any help is apprecciated…

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ADVICE: Fix this “never been big on working legs however last week i started and will continue” PLEASE DO CONTINUE!!

Now as for the tren ace yes you really should be hitting that daily. Sounds like you’ve been going EOD for a few months though and are no worse for wear. Many prefer Prop ED as well but its not the greatest crime to us prop EOD. Anything will be better if its used more frequently than less it just gives stable blood levels.
I would not completely discontinue test prop. Cutting fat from abs is less about your AAS intake and more about your diet

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Nice try but there is a lot of shit that needs to be corrected.

First off that pic isn’t close to 8% bodyfat. Maybe it’s the before picture but that doesn’t look like 5’8 215 so Im guessing that it’s current. You have a damn fat roll under your pec and can barely see your abs jeesus christ.

Training your upper body for 2 years then hopping on a cycle is silly.

“Ramping” off the drugs is NOT an appropriate way to come off a cycle. Read the SERM/AI sticky now.

How old are you. My guess is 19. But I woudn’t be surprised at all if this was a decent troll job.

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To the OP: I concur with the second poster bones in many regards.

Firstly, with regards to your drug usage, running tren at 75mg ED is not going to shred off your belly fat. Like bones said, training for two years and jumping on cycle. Admittedly, it is better than some people try and do, you see/hear people work out for 3-6 months and then decide ‘steroids is right for me’

Secondly, WTF are you doing not training legs for the last two years?

Thirdly, running tren by itself is not really recommended. I know of one person in real life who does any drug he wants on its own at times (tren included) but this is someone who has been using steroids for the last 25 years.

4th, that picture is not of someone at 8% body fat. I commend you for what you have achieved, but where are you coming up with this 8% BF number? Start training legs, keep doing your carb cycling. If I were you, I would taper down off of the tren first (dropping your test dosage at the same time) and stay on the test for a few days/1 week longer than the tren and go into stasis/PCT.

At that time, work on your diet. Do not try to lose weight once you are recovering/post cycle, and after you have recovered. This period is a crucial time when you need to keep the right amount of healthy fats and protein coming to maintain the muscle you have, whilst your bodies androgen production comes back.

Do some research into supplements that can help target abdominal fat, to be honest I am not sure if any of them are efficable but it couldn’t hurt to investigate/try them. Things like carnisine, carnitine, other supplements, yohimbine.

TRAIN YOUR FUCKING LEGS FOR GODS SAKE.

Train them at least every 4-5 days

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thanks for the constructive critisism…the trainer at the gym checked my fat% … i have almost none in all locations checked except my abdominal region…i will check again, what is the correct procedure you use to check it and i will do the same.age is actually 31 and no its not the first cycle in 2 years. i always trained for size and strength prior to two months ago,i was 231 two years ago but the last 2 months is where the 218 to 193 comes into play. actually not my best picture however it is what it is…not sure what a troll job is but interested to know…again thanks for the critisism however a little advice attached to it may be helpful…for example more like idowhatican’s reply…

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A troll job is someone posting who is not legitamate.

The trainer at your gym was either completely inaccurate, being nice, or, you have ALL of your body fat right over your abdominals. You appear to be close to 12%, no lower.

The minimum for a bodyfat test done by a trainer at the gym should be three seperate spots on the body (it varies depending on whether you are a man or woman)

It is called the skinfold test, and it is generally accepted as an accurate representation of your body composition. Of course it varies from tester to tester depending on their ability. A real test should have at least 3 different sites on the body, and can be as much as 9.

Any ways, have someone else take it if it really matters to you. Your goal is to be shredded, right?

Like I said, cycle off, eventually go back on.

In the meanwhile, try doing some different kinds of cardio. Throw in 1-3 days of steady state cardio and/or low-intensity cardio.

Diet is what will get you shredded, not drugs. Plain and simple. If you want to look like a bodybuilder, you have to diet like them. Not just use the drugs that they do.

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thanks a million…he done the skinfold test and tested back of arm, thigh and side of abdominal region. all were very low accept abdominal, thats why im questioning.in morning i can see all abs very well. by end of day its like this picture… i posted here due to the gear being used to give whole perspectivei. i was doing the low carb diet and lost 20 lbs. now i am at a plateau and have just the fat on my abs to loose. i was just wondering what else to do that will finish me off. i will check bf% again and use a few diff methods. i started doing steady state on elliptical for 1 hour in am before meal , meal 1 hour later. and 20 higher intensity steady state cardio before workout in evenings then i do a pretty steady workout to keep heart rate up. 8 sets of 8… ust started 1 high 2 low carb cycling 56 carbs low days and 125 carbs high day…i hope this change will show results…again thanks

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The amount of carbs you are eating on your high carbs days is right around where your medium or moderate carb day should be. I could be mistaken, but research carb cycling and see if you should not have a low, medium and high carb structure. So, you could have 2 low carb days, 1 high carb, and 2 medium carb days… Or make it how your body needs it. 4 lows, 2 medium, 1 high. Whatever works

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dude, ur physique is similar to mine (tho my shoulder/traps are bigger, i think) and i’m riding 12-13% bodyfat measured with a laser (which i don’t think is anymore accurate than calipers in the grand scheme of things).

That ain’t 8%

405lbs bench press? Fucking hell, that’s well good. How come you went down so much?

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wait… maybe ur abs aren’t very well developed. My abs are clear visible, even with 12% bodyfat.

I know they say “abs” are all about diet, and to a large extent this is true - but they are a muscle group that needs to be trained, and they get harder/bigger.

As i do Muay Thai/MMA - my training involves A LOT of daily core/ab work - i.e chinnies, v-ups, lsits, russian twists, deadlift-twits etc…etc… daily.

You say you don’t do much “legs” - so you don’t do squats? This is a very good/important movement for developing the core. As are deadlifts.

Maybe ur core is underdeveloped and that’s why ur abs aren’t coming through… just a thought.

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[quote]WyldFlower wrote:

405lbs bench press? Fucking hell, that’s well good. How come you went down so much?

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0h wait, just re-read. U lost a ton of wait. I Guess that explains it.

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i have not maxed since my weight loss so i actually dont know my max bench now.just figured 25 lbs of bodyweight gone it had to drop…really i am not worrying about it tho. i just want a leaner overall look. i have discovered in the last two weeks how important legs are.i did work legs once and a while just not divoted.

if i skipped a day it was leg day and never really pushed myself at all on leg day. however… i can honestly see and feel a difference in my core, abs, and legs with just two good weeks of training. i never knew that those excercises worked the core as much as they do.squats kill em…

about the bf%,whatever it is it is…really irrelevant in the whole scheme of things…some show awesome abs at 12 and some have flat stomach and not real defined at 6…so my bad for ever bringing that up…what i do know is that i will continue to work legs and core and also i have started doing no exercises seated or very few anyway…

i will continue to diet and YES i can already feel the diff in taking tren everyday. fluctuation in blood levels not as bad…seems everyday is a GOOD day…lol thanks for all comments and as far as troll job,guess i still dont get it…i am what i am.