Looking for advice (programming)

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If you already paid, that’s literally buy-in. You seem excited to do the DY program. It’s pretty tough to lift as hard and heavy as you possibly can, and get smaller and weaker. I don’t see a reason not to just give it a run?

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Dude I think Deep Water would transform you. The diet and training are rigid and intentionally and directly difficult. I really want to hit this one again. Just thinking about it is getting me excited. I think the volume (both in terms of food and work) particularly for your chest, which you mentioned being a point of emphasis, would really help bring up your bench. I think there’s a good chance you even get a little bit leaner when you do this program. That was my experience. I gained 8 pounds when I ran it and at least LOOKED leaner afterwards. Excited to see what you end up doing.

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Its another one of those threads


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I really want to hit this one again. Just thinking about it is getting me excited.

So fun biology fact of the day: as part of the process of labor, the brain releases oxytocin, which, along acting as a pain reliever, also has a amnestic effect, allowing the mother to forget the pain of childbirth. This was a necessary survival mechanism for our species, because if the woman actually remembered how painful the experience was, they’d never want to go through it again.

I am a firm believer that Deep Water does the same thing, because much like you, I have to constantly fight my desire to re-run the program ALL the time, because each time I DO run the program I’m amazed at just how awful it is. Intellectually, I KNOW that it is one of the most painful training experiences I’ve ever endured
but my lizard brain keeps saying “do it again do it again!”

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I am a bit interested, but have a lot of hesitation
not quite a sunken cost deal yet. Looking into the Deep Water and Bryant stuff mentioned earlier in the thread. This is a pivot week so I don’t have to decide today.

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What do we call the Opposite of Program Hopping?

Instead of being so attracted to new stuff that you change routines too often, you’re so hesitant that you keep doing the same stuff for too long.

I feel like this is the Worst part of Starting Strength. We’ve seen lots of guys get “stuck” in the linear, sets of 5 reps, low-low bar, long rest mind set as the only way.

Sometimes the best part of a new program is the fresh perspective about what works. Or finding a new way to make things hard.

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HIT Jedi, right?

I kid. It’s a great point. Training dogma is built on this reverse-FOMO kind of mentality.

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My brain loved the gains that I made so much that it just ignored how much I had to suffer to get there. The oxytocin philosophy makes too much sense

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What do we call the Opposite of Program Hopping?

Let’s refer to it as “Aaron Rodgering”, in honor the most sacked quarterback of all time at 590, referencing when a player refuses to get rid of the ball when the current plan just plain ain’t working.

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It looks like he wants to extend his lead, football gossip says he’s going to play this weekend with the broken wrist.

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Those guys can get pretty silly, but they do have a complete “system.” Going all the way on work sets does make the question of How Many easier to answer.

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Definitely something I got caught up in. I got hurt a lot because of it lol.

Between the both options though, I think staying with one routine would be the better of the two options if there was no other choice

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For sure! I actually don’t have any issue with the approach - obviously it works. I think they (and a lot of folks) tend to stress out and confuse “a way” for “the way”

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One more bump here. So I listed barbbells and dumbbells as the available equipment in the thread. There is now the first 24-hour gym in Manhattan with full machines. So if you guys have any program recs with machines, let me know.

(Not advertising for it, just happy to find one finally.)

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I have a client that trains here. Great gym!

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Why not cycle A, B, and C every 12-16 weeks? Powerbuilding is a nice bridge between them.

Start with C: emphasize building some size

Into A: transition to more power focus with powerbuilding

Then B: focus solely on strength

Then cycle back to C, where you can put your added strength back into hypertrophy focus, hitting better numbers on those 8-12 rep sets.

Ideally, you could even throw in a 4th cycle that’s more performance focused where you add in some speed and plyo work. Things like jumps, throws, cleans, sprints, etc. This would probably be best between before or after powerlifting phase.

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