London Machete Attack

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[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

you can’t just always victimize the attacker, blowing civilians up is not an appropriate response.[/quote]

Blowing up civilians was an appropriate response for america to 9/11 though? see here is my issue, either call American soldiers terrorists with equal ferocity as you call muslim bombers otherwise your argument has no validity.[/quote]

Our troops in the field have to ask permission to return fire when some fucktard shoots at them.

We could make the typical ancient Roman response of razing a village at a country level.

We constrain ourselves.

And we don’t trick kids into wearing explosives and plowing themselves up.

You should read a dictionary more often.[/quote]

Also, this argument is so offensive, it is like when the nazi apologists said well Hitler wasn’t the same as the soviets, he built hospitals in poland and the other lands he invaded. Guess what, having ROE does not make your extermination of an entire peoples any less savage. If you ahve to compare your force to the Roman empire to see it in a positive light, you are really in a murky moral area

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[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I don’t get why people are questioning how MOST people are profiling Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE BLOWING US UP. Not Christians, not Jews, not Buddhists, not Mormons, not Catholics… MUSLIMS. Ever other day I hear on the news how another suicide bomber blew up a bus full of kids or whatever. Fuck them and their fucked up religion.

We’ve gotten so politically correct as a society that we cant even use common fucking sense to protect ourselves without someone calling us racist or “part of the problem”. Fuck that. You know what the problem is? A bunch of crazy MUSLIMS want to blow us up because they want to stay in the stone age, marry more than one women, and dominate the planet with their religion. THAT’S what the problem is. Not that people are saying, “well ya know Dave, there sure seem to be a lot of Muslim folks trying to kill us”. That’s simply an accurate observation.

I was at Rolling Thunder yesterday down at the Mall in Washington. I saw a bunch of bikers, white, black, brown and yellow. I saw a bunch of veterans, white black brown and yellow. Guess what I DIDN’T see? I didn’t see a bunch of fucking Muslims! In fact I don’t recall seeing a single one (although I’m sure there were a few there). Honestly, I felt pretty safe.

I also saw far less liberal fucktards wearing their skinny jeans and carrying their satchels than usual. Imagine that: being surrounded by patriots, many of whom have actually served our great country to preserve the rights and privileges that allow you to support your liberal political agenda, even though it puts their life, and the lives of all Americans at risk.

But most of you liberals are too fucking stupid to see that or even comprehend the character it takes to do that - much easier to just call them racist fascists. [/quote]

Are you too dumb to understand a western mainly white, christian army has killed thousands of times more than muslims have through “terrorism” ?

If we should be ok profiling muslims as fanatics, why shouldn’t Muslims profile all white people as imperialist supporting war bringers and blow up big towers?

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

First of all, our military is very diverse - it’s not “mainly white”, it’s about 30% minorities (about consistent with our population). Second, are you too stupid to know the difference between an armed militant and an innocent civilian?

Our soldiers in occupied areas have orders not to fire unless fired upon. The political correct hand tying of our soldiers means more of them are killed to keep liberal assholes like you happy.

As for “war for profit”, are you fucking retarded? These wars have cost us almost a trillion dollars of taxpayer money! That’s not “profit”, you stupid liberal fuck. If we wanted a profit, we’d have annexed a few oilfields in Iraq and paid for the war that way.

Now I’m sure you’re gonna start whining about collateral damage. That’s when, IN WAR, bad shit happens to civilians. The US does it’s best to limit collateral damage. We avoid drone strikes in populated areas. We TRY to keep it to a minimum and punish officers and soldiers when mistakes happen. It’s tough sometimes because these jihad crazy fucks don’t wear uniforms and tend to hide behind women and children or set up control centers in hospitals or schools, effectively using innocent people as human shields. So sometimes mistakes happen and innocent people are injured or killed. If they tried to leave the area, it’s probably likely that the fucking Muslims using them as shields would have killed them anyway. But despite tactical disadvantage, we try to protect civilians. That’s not what they do. These fucking Muslims TARGET our civilians. They kill innocent people just going about their day. It’s not like accidentally killing one of the kids in the compound of Abu Takesituptheass. If you are too stupid to see the difference, then this conversation is over.

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[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

you can’t just always victimize the attacker, blowing civilians up is not an appropriate response.[/quote]

Blowing up civilians was an appropriate response for america to 9/11 though? see here is my issue, either call American soldiers terrorists with equal ferocity as you call muslim bombers otherwise your argument has no validity.[/quote]

Our troops in the field have to ask permission to return fire when some fucktard shoots at them.

We could make the typical ancient Roman response of razing a village at a country level.

We constrain ourselves.

And we don’t trick kids into wearing explosives and plowing themselves up.

You should read a dictionary more often.[/quote]

Ask over 100,000 civillians murdered by US forces if the US military restrains itself lol. when the soldier went on a rampage and killed like 10 kids he was jsut crazy, when a muslim blows people up, all muslim resistance is terror.

white christian kills people = bad apple went crazy

muslims kills people = terrorist, senseless violence, fanatic, whole group is terrorist
[/quote]

Apples and Oranges comparison.

One went crazy. Another had some Mullah promising him 72 virgins in heaven.

I doubt you have been traveling through a crowd with your wife and children listening to some self proclaimed mullah on a loud speaker saying that Muslims need to kill the white man, kill his wife and his children.

I haven’t heard any Christian sermons advocating killing non Christians.

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[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

you can’t just always victimize the attacker, blowing civilians up is not an appropriate response.[/quote]

Blowing up civilians was an appropriate response for america to 9/11 though? see here is my issue, either call American soldiers terrorists with equal ferocity as you call muslim bombers otherwise your argument has no validity.[/quote]

Our troops in the field have to ask permission to return fire when some fucktard shoots at them.

We could make the typical ancient Roman response of razing a village at a country level.

We constrain ourselves.

And we don’t trick kids into wearing explosives and plowing themselves up.

You should read a dictionary more often.[/quote]

Also, this argument is so offensive, it is like when the nazi apologists said well Hitler wasn’t the same as the soviets, he built hospitals in poland and the other lands he invaded. Guess what, having ROE does not make your extermination of an entire peoples any less savage. If you ahve to compare your force to the Roman empire to see it in a positive light, you are really in a murky moral area[/quote]

Please list what race we systematically exterminated?

I know more about the horrors of WW2 then you can imagine.

I’m also pretty sure you’ll blame the US for WW2.

You are a typical progressive whiner.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I don’t get why people are questioning how MOST people are profiling Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE BLOWING US UP. Not Christians, not Jews, not Buddhists, not Mormons, not Catholics… MUSLIMS. Ever other day I hear on the news how another suicide bomber blew up a bus full of kids or whatever. Fuck them and their fucked up religion.

We’ve gotten so politically correct as a society that we cant even use common fucking sense to protect ourselves without someone calling us racist or “part of the problem”. Fuck that. You know what the problem is? A bunch of crazy MUSLIMS want to blow us up because they want to stay in the stone age, marry more than one women, and dominate the planet with their religion. THAT’S what the problem is. Not that people are saying, “well ya know Dave, there sure seem to be a lot of Muslim folks trying to kill us”. That’s simply an accurate observation.

I was at Rolling Thunder yesterday down at the Mall in Washington. I saw a bunch of bikers, white, black, brown and yellow. I saw a bunch of veterans, white black brown and yellow. Guess what I DIDN’T see? I didn’t see a bunch of fucking Muslims! In fact I don’t recall seeing a single one (although I’m sure there were a few there). Honestly, I felt pretty safe.

I also saw far less liberal fucktards wearing their skinny jeans and carrying their satchels than usual. Imagine that: being surrounded by patriots, many of whom have actually served our great country to preserve the rights and privileges that allow you to support your liberal political agenda, even though it puts their life, and the lives of all Americans at risk.

But most of you liberals are too fucking stupid to see that or even comprehend the character it takes to do that - much easier to just call them racist fascists. [/quote]

Are you too dumb to understand a western mainly white, christian army has killed thousands of times more than muslims have through “terrorism” ?

If we should be ok profiling muslims as fanatics, why shouldn’t Muslims profile all white people as imperialist supporting war bringers and blow up big towers?

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

First of all, our military is very diverse - it’s not “mainly white”, it’s about 30% minorities (about consistent with our population). Second, are you too stupid to know the difference between an armed militant and an innocent civilian?

Our soldiers in occupied areas have orders not to fire unless fired upon. The political correct hand tying of our soldiers means more of them are killed to keep liberal assholes like you happy.

As for “war for profit”, are you fucking retarded? These wars have cost us almost a trillion dollars of taxpayer money! That’s not “profit”, you stupid liberal fuck. If we wanted a profit, we’d have annexed a few oilfields in Iraq and paid for the war that way.

Now I’m sure you’re gonna start whining about collateral damage. That’s when, IN WAR, bad shit happens to civilians. The US does it’s best to limit collateral damage. We avoid drone strikes in populated areas. We TRY to keep it to a minimum and punish officers and soldiers when mistakes happen. It’s tough sometimes because these jihad crazy fucks don’t wear uniforms and tend to hide behind women and children or set up control centers in hospitals or schools, effectively using innocent people as human shields. So sometimes mistakes happen and innocent people are injured or killed. If they tried to leave the area, it’s probably likely that the fucking Muslims using them as shields would have killed them anyway. But despite tactical disadvantage, we try to protect civilians. That’s not what they do. These fucking Muslims TARGET our civilians. They kill innocent people just going about their day. It’s not like accidentally killing one of the kids in the compound of Abu Takesituptheass. If you are too stupid to see the difference, then this conversation is over.[/quote]

I certainly think there is a huge distinction between the US military killing civilians as collateral and some people deliberately targeting civilians. However try explaining to a mother or father that a US soldier killed their son, but it’s ok, because they were really trying to kill a militant. Do you not think they are going to be slightly pissed off at America?

I am certainly not trying to defend them then going off an supporting suicide bombings and the like. But at the same time you have to be able to see that as far as they are concerned, their country is being invaded, civilians are being killed, and they want to do something about it.

If the equivalent happened to the US, the country attacking would probably get nuked and many more civilians would die. You can’t expect your country to wage war, and then not have any sort of backlash

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[quote]harrypotter wrote:
I am not heading over to PWI to say this.

All of this bleating about how they’re not true followers of Islam, how Islam is peaceful and whatnot.

Bull, fucking shit. Everyone in Western Europe with a functioning brain behind closed doors hates Islam for what it is and its followers. So they dont represent your religion? Why is it then that you dont stamp it out? Why are your countries infested with corruption, harsh economic realities and stone age cultural values?

Suppressing women? Sharia law? Kill those who do not believe in your ideals?

Sounds like something a mentally ill person believes in, probably why these two cockneys are muslim in the first place. “Our lands” they call them, and here is me thinking black people originated from Africa. This is what makes Islam dangerous, you can have any person with a slight mental incapacity thinking they belong to Muslim lands because they read a few pages in the Koran, saw the many beheading videos on the internet and DVDs and learned to shout Allah Ackbar.

How else can people believe in such backwards “peaceful” religions if its not for being mentally ill?

If this was two white guys of the EDL butchering two Muslims and praising Christianity and the UK for being a bastion of the crusades, here is what will happen.

  • Birmingham, large parts of London and dozens of other towns and cities would erupt in a riot
  • Openly racist and fascist muslim gangs would murder people on the streets, white women will get special treatment
  • Christian enclaves across Asia, Africa and the ME would be bombed and openly attacked.

Now tell me where us white British people are regarding one of our soldiers being chased, beaten, mutilated and almost beheaded on our streets near a large mosque with a soldiers barracks nearby.

Our boys are told to not wear uniforms for fear of backlash reprisals on them by people. These people in the asian/muslim populations I think you’ll find. Not white ordinary English people.

Thats like having won WW2 we let all the Germans in and they were free to spit on our troops. Wanna take a bet as to what would of happened?

We in Britain are always told how good we have it with multiculturalism, inviting Muslims into our country is a huge bonus!

If you call having schools with English being a third dialect, large swathes of cities with no English culture anywhere, openly abusive gangs of muslims who beat people they dont like the look of or find out they’re gay/christian etc and open hatred for white women as progressive, then please direct me to the place that is fast becoming a shit hole.

Sweden, Norway and Denmark are suffering but these societies have a terrible government in place, they’re soft. Nothing like those days of viking carnage.

You people in the USA don’t see this, I highly doubt Muslims would get anywhere near the say-so they have over here on your turf, you’d shoot them first. Nationalistic pride is a given for you but over here in Europe, Nationalism is pretty much a “get the fuck out of our country” and we’re heading towards it.

France, UK, Greece. They’re moving towards it quite eagerly tbh.

Oh and before anybody labels me a racist, give it a rest, your kind has had its say and its about time realism slapped you in the face. We’re not compatible with the majority of different cultures and people. Especially ones which tend to become overly violent at the drop of a coin.[/quote]

Couldn’t agree more, I have witnessed things go drastically down hill with every ‘minority’ so quick to pull the race card rendering any kind of justice ‘racist’. Well, from what I can see on the streets, in the offices, classrooms and gyms is that the white working British are now the minority and its only further down hill from here by the looks of it. I don’t agree with some of the EDL’s associations or ideals but becoming a member seems more appealing with every news story coming out along these lines

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And for any non British reading this not relating to how things have turned for the worse in this country I advise you watch this video

This is not an isolated occurrence

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I don’t get why people are questioning how MOST people are profiling Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE BLOWING US UP. Not Christians, not Jews, not Buddhists, not Mormons, not Catholics… MUSLIMS. Ever other day I hear on the news how another suicide bomber blew up a bus full of kids or whatever. Fuck them and their fucked up religion.

We’ve gotten so politically correct as a society that we cant even use common fucking sense to protect ourselves without someone calling us racist or “part of the problem”. Fuck that. You know what the problem is? A bunch of crazy MUSLIMS want to blow us up because they want to stay in the stone age, marry more than one women, and dominate the planet with their religion. THAT’S what the problem is. Not that people are saying, “well ya know Dave, there sure seem to be a lot of Muslim folks trying to kill us”. That’s simply an accurate observation.

I was at Rolling Thunder yesterday down at the Mall in Washington. I saw a bunch of bikers, white, black, brown and yellow. I saw a bunch of veterans, white black brown and yellow. Guess what I DIDN’T see? I didn’t see a bunch of fucking Muslims! In fact I don’t recall seeing a single one (although I’m sure there were a few there). Honestly, I felt pretty safe.

I also saw far less liberal fucktards wearing their skinny jeans and carrying their satchels than usual. Imagine that: being surrounded by patriots, many of whom have actually served our great country to preserve the rights and privileges that allow you to support your liberal political agenda, even though it puts their life, and the lives of all Americans at risk.

But most of you liberals are too fucking stupid to see that or even comprehend the character it takes to do that - much easier to just call them racist fascists. [/quote]

Are you too dumb to understand a western mainly white, christian army has killed thousands of times more than muslims have through “terrorism” ?

If we should be ok profiling muslims as fanatics, why shouldn’t Muslims profile all white people as imperialist supporting war bringers and blow up big towers?

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

First of all, our military is very diverse - it’s not “mainly white”, it’s about 30% minorities (about consistent with our population). Second, are you too stupid to know the difference between an armed militant and an innocent civilian?

Our soldiers in occupied areas have orders not to fire unless fired upon. The political correct hand tying of our soldiers means more of them are killed to keep liberal assholes like you happy.

As for “war for profit”, are you fucking retarded? These wars have cost us almost a trillion dollars of taxpayer money! That’s not “profit”, you stupid liberal fuck. If we wanted a profit, we’d have annexed a few oilfields in Iraq and paid for the war that way.

Now I’m sure you’re gonna start whining about collateral damage. That’s when, IN WAR, bad shit happens to civilians. The US does it’s best to limit collateral damage. We avoid drone strikes in populated areas. We TRY to keep it to a minimum and punish officers and soldiers when mistakes happen. It’s tough sometimes because these jihad crazy fucks don’t wear uniforms and tend to hide behind women and children or set up control centers in hospitals or schools, effectively using innocent people as human shields. So sometimes mistakes happen and innocent people are injured or killed. If they tried to leave the area, it’s probably likely that the fucking Muslims using them as shields would have killed them anyway. But despite tactical disadvantage, we try to protect civilians. That’s not what they do. These fucking Muslims TARGET our civilians. They kill innocent people just going about their day. It’s not like accidentally killing one of the kids in the compound of Abu Takesituptheass. If you are too stupid to see the difference, then this conversation is over.[/quote]

Not to profit the government or the population, to profit the industrialist cunts and private influences. really, you are just using strawmen, no one said the wars rofit the government or public. nice strawman but blown down.

as for me not being able to tell between innocent civillian and armed militant, those numbers i quoted are… wait for it… CIVILLIAN DEATHS IN IRAQ!

I am not a liberal, another fallacy blown out of the water.

I mean, do you have a single counter to my arguement?

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[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

you can’t just always victimize the attacker, blowing civilians up is not an appropriate response.[/quote]

Blowing up civilians was an appropriate response for america to 9/11 though? see here is my issue, either call American soldiers terrorists with equal ferocity as you call muslim bombers otherwise your argument has no validity.[/quote]

Our troops in the field have to ask permission to return fire when some fucktard shoots at them.

We could make the typical ancient Roman response of razing a village at a country level.

We constrain ourselves.

And we don’t trick kids into wearing explosives and plowing themselves up.

You should read a dictionary more often.[/quote]

Also, this argument is so offensive, it is like when the nazi apologists said well Hitler wasn’t the same as the soviets, he built hospitals in poland and the other lands he invaded. Guess what, having ROE does not make your extermination of an entire peoples any less savage. If you ahve to compare your force to the Roman empire to see it in a positive light, you are really in a murky moral area[/quote]

Please list what race we systematically exterminated?

I know more about the horrors of WW2 then you can imagine.

I’m also pretty sure you’ll blame the US for WW2.

You are a typical progressive whiner.

[/quote]

I am not a progressive.

My grandad served in ww2 and was smart enough to see it was a war between imperialist factions for hegemony and territory. Millions of good hardworking men were sent to kill one another for the rich.

How did the allies have any moral superiority over the Nazi regime?

Britain controlled colonies where millions were killed both purposely and by accident through the forced exportation of foodstuff for sale by the empire for profit. Some historians compare the starvation in india caused by the empire to the ukranian holodomor. France was busy commiting genocide in vast parts of Africa and Russia was itself a horrific authoritarian regime. As for America, well you know its recent neo colonial expansionist history.

How were nations that openly and proudly had brutal colonial territories in any moral position to oppose german colonialism against her neighbors?

The personal attacks of “liberal progressive” are so redundant, I am not even political I merely study history and have no agenda, which means i criticise all sides because they pretty much all do horrific shit.

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And the circle of jerking continues ever forward.

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[quote]The Ox Man wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I don’t get why people are questioning how MOST people are profiling Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE BLOWING US UP. Not Christians, not Jews, not Buddhists, not Mormons, not Catholics… MUSLIMS. Ever other day I hear on the news how another suicide bomber blew up a bus full of kids or whatever. Fuck them and their fucked up religion.

We’ve gotten so politically correct as a society that we cant even use common fucking sense to protect ourselves without someone calling us racist or “part of the problem”. Fuck that. You know what the problem is? A bunch of crazy MUSLIMS want to blow us up because they want to stay in the stone age, marry more than one women, and dominate the planet with their religion. THAT’S what the problem is. Not that people are saying, “well ya know Dave, there sure seem to be a lot of Muslim folks trying to kill us”. That’s simply an accurate observation.

I was at Rolling Thunder yesterday down at the Mall in Washington. I saw a bunch of bikers, white, black, brown and yellow. I saw a bunch of veterans, white black brown and yellow. Guess what I DIDN’T see? I didn’t see a bunch of fucking Muslims! In fact I don’t recall seeing a single one (although I’m sure there were a few there). Honestly, I felt pretty safe.

I also saw far less liberal fucktards wearing their skinny jeans and carrying their satchels than usual. Imagine that: being surrounded by patriots, many of whom have actually served our great country to preserve the rights and privileges that allow you to support your liberal political agenda, even though it puts their life, and the lives of all Americans at risk.

But most of you liberals are too fucking stupid to see that or even comprehend the character it takes to do that - much easier to just call them racist fascists. [/quote]

Are you too dumb to understand a western mainly white, christian army has killed thousands of times more than muslims have through “terrorism” ?

If we should be ok profiling muslims as fanatics, why shouldn’t Muslims profile all white people as imperialist supporting war bringers and blow up big towers?

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

First of all, our military is very diverse - it’s not “mainly white”, it’s about 30% minorities (about consistent with our population). Second, are you too stupid to know the difference between an armed militant and an innocent civilian?

Our soldiers in occupied areas have orders not to fire unless fired upon. The political correct hand tying of our soldiers means more of them are killed to keep liberal assholes like you happy.

As for “war for profit”, are you fucking retarded? These wars have cost us almost a trillion dollars of taxpayer money! That’s not “profit”, you stupid liberal fuck. If we wanted a profit, we’d have annexed a few oilfields in Iraq and paid for the war that way.

Now I’m sure you’re gonna start whining about collateral damage. That’s when, IN WAR, bad shit happens to civilians. The US does it’s best to limit collateral damage. We avoid drone strikes in populated areas. We TRY to keep it to a minimum and punish officers and soldiers when mistakes happen. It’s tough sometimes because these jihad crazy fucks don’t wear uniforms and tend to hide behind women and children or set up control centers in hospitals or schools, effectively using innocent people as human shields. So sometimes mistakes happen and innocent people are injured or killed. If they tried to leave the area, it’s probably likely that the fucking Muslims using them as shields would have killed them anyway. But despite tactical disadvantage, we try to protect civilians. That’s not what they do. These fucking Muslims TARGET our civilians. They kill innocent people just going about their day. It’s not like accidentally killing one of the kids in the compound of Abu Takesituptheass. If you are too stupid to see the difference, then this conversation is over.[/quote]

I certainly think there is a huge distinction between the US military killing civilians as collateral and some people deliberately targeting civilians. However try explaining to a mother or father that a US soldier killed their son, but it’s ok, because they were really trying to kill a militant. Do you not think they are going to be slightly pissed off at America?

I am certainly not trying to defend them then going off an supporting suicide bombings and the like. But at the same time you have to be able to see that as far as they are concerned, their country is being invaded, civilians are being killed, and they want to do something about it.

If the equivalent happened to the US, the country attacking would probably get nuked and many more civilians would die. You can’t expect your country to wage war, and then not have any sort of backlash
[/quote]

For the record, I am personally against drone strikes. I find the collateral damage to be unacceptable. My point was that the US does not DELIBERATELY target civilians, unlike these Muslim assholes.

I agree that if MY son or daughter were killed by a US drone, I would probably make it my life’s mission to wage war against the US any way I knew how. I would lose. But I would probably try anyway.

But it’s not just violence against the US. Today in Iraq, over 66 people were killed in sectarian violence, shiite against suni. The target? Supermarkets. The victims? Women and children.

These people are fucking sick. They don’t distinguish combatants from civilians. They just want to kill anyone their mullah tells them to.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

as for me not being able to tell between innocent civillian and armed militant, those numbers i quoted are… wait for it… CIVILLIAN DEATHS IN IRAQ!

[/quote]

Yes, it’s sickening how many Iraqi civilians have been killed by Muslim countrymen.[/quote]

You should really read the news sometime… the US military have killed thousands of civilians, including women and children. That’s not to excuse the deaths responsible by terrorists, but if you really believe that the US don’t have an awful lot of innocent blood on their hands as well you are wrong.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]The Ox Man wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I don’t get why people are questioning how MOST people are profiling Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE BLOWING US UP. Not Christians, not Jews, not Buddhists, not Mormons, not Catholics… MUSLIMS. Ever other day I hear on the news how another suicide bomber blew up a bus full of kids or whatever. Fuck them and their fucked up religion.

We’ve gotten so politically correct as a society that we cant even use common fucking sense to protect ourselves without someone calling us racist or “part of the problem”. Fuck that. You know what the problem is? A bunch of crazy MUSLIMS want to blow us up because they want to stay in the stone age, marry more than one women, and dominate the planet with their religion. THAT’S what the problem is. Not that people are saying, “well ya know Dave, there sure seem to be a lot of Muslim folks trying to kill us”. That’s simply an accurate observation.

I was at Rolling Thunder yesterday down at the Mall in Washington. I saw a bunch of bikers, white, black, brown and yellow. I saw a bunch of veterans, white black brown and yellow. Guess what I DIDN’T see? I didn’t see a bunch of fucking Muslims! In fact I don’t recall seeing a single one (although I’m sure there were a few there). Honestly, I felt pretty safe.

I also saw far less liberal fucktards wearing their skinny jeans and carrying their satchels than usual. Imagine that: being surrounded by patriots, many of whom have actually served our great country to preserve the rights and privileges that allow you to support your liberal political agenda, even though it puts their life, and the lives of all Americans at risk.

But most of you liberals are too fucking stupid to see that or even comprehend the character it takes to do that - much easier to just call them racist fascists. [/quote]

Are you too dumb to understand a western mainly white, christian army has killed thousands of times more than muslims have through “terrorism” ?

If we should be ok profiling muslims as fanatics, why shouldn’t Muslims profile all white people as imperialist supporting war bringers and blow up big towers?

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

First of all, our military is very diverse - it’s not “mainly white”, it’s about 30% minorities (about consistent with our population). Second, are you too stupid to know the difference between an armed militant and an innocent civilian?

Our soldiers in occupied areas have orders not to fire unless fired upon. The political correct hand tying of our soldiers means more of them are killed to keep liberal assholes like you happy.

As for “war for profit”, are you fucking retarded? These wars have cost us almost a trillion dollars of taxpayer money! That’s not “profit”, you stupid liberal fuck. If we wanted a profit, we’d have annexed a few oilfields in Iraq and paid for the war that way.

Now I’m sure you’re gonna start whining about collateral damage. That’s when, IN WAR, bad shit happens to civilians. The US does it’s best to limit collateral damage. We avoid drone strikes in populated areas. We TRY to keep it to a minimum and punish officers and soldiers when mistakes happen. It’s tough sometimes because these jihad crazy fucks don’t wear uniforms and tend to hide behind women and children or set up control centers in hospitals or schools, effectively using innocent people as human shields. So sometimes mistakes happen and innocent people are injured or killed. If they tried to leave the area, it’s probably likely that the fucking Muslims using them as shields would have killed them anyway. But despite tactical disadvantage, we try to protect civilians. That’s not what they do. These fucking Muslims TARGET our civilians. They kill innocent people just going about their day. It’s not like accidentally killing one of the kids in the compound of Abu Takesituptheass. If you are too stupid to see the difference, then this conversation is over.[/quote]

I certainly think there is a huge distinction between the US military killing civilians as collateral and some people deliberately targeting civilians. However try explaining to a mother or father that a US soldier killed their son, but it’s ok, because they were really trying to kill a militant. Do you not think they are going to be slightly pissed off at America?

I am certainly not trying to defend them then going off an supporting suicide bombings and the like. But at the same time you have to be able to see that as far as they are concerned, their country is being invaded, civilians are being killed, and they want to do something about it.

If the equivalent happened to the US, the country attacking would probably get nuked and many more civilians would die. You can’t expect your country to wage war, and then not have any sort of backlash
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For the record, I am personally against drone strikes. I find the collateral damage to be unacceptable. My point was that the US does not DELIBERATELY target civilians, unlike these Muslim assholes.

I agree that if MY son or daughter were killed by a US drone, I would probably make it my life’s mission to wage war against the US any way I knew how. I would lose. But I would probably try anyway.

But it’s not just violence against the US. Today in Iraq, over 66 people were killed in sectarian violence, shiite against suni. The target? Supermarkets. The victims? Women and children.

These people are fucking sick. They don’t distinguish combatants from civilians. They just want to kill anyone their mullah tells them to.[/quote]

To play devil’s advocate here, why should citizens in a democracy be distinguished from combatants at all? It makes sense in a fascist dictatorship but in a society where we elect our leaders and have control over their actions (and lets be honest most of the action is well sanctioned by the civilians) then shouldn’t they also expect consequences to agreeing to go into a war?

From the radical Muslim point of view this is why there is no distinction between civilians and combatants and like it or not or whether or not it offends your cultural standards it does stand up to logic.

Perhaps it’s hard to swallow when you tell the world how your democracy is superior because the government represents the people that the people shouldn’t bear the consequences of that government.

[Edit re-read and I missed your comments about the Shiites vs the Sunni and my comments don’t apply to those battles]

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

For the record, I am personally against drone strikes. I find the collateral damage to be unacceptable. My point was that the US does not DELIBERATELY target civilians, unlike these Muslim assholes.

I agree that if MY son or daughter were killed by a US drone, I would probably make it my life’s mission to wage war against the US any way I knew how. I would lose. But I would probably try anyway.

But it’s not just violence against the US. Today in Iraq, over 66 people were killed in sectarian violence, shiite against suni. The target? Supermarkets. The victims? Women and children.

These people are fucking sick. They don’t distinguish combatants from civilians. They just want to kill anyone their mullah tells them to.[/quote]

Well no disagreements there. I’m not against the war. They are some seriously sick people, and they need to be stopped. I’m just amazed at how some people think the Muslim community as a whole support the actions of the extremists

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[quote]The Ox Man wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I don’t get why people are questioning how MOST people are profiling Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE BLOWING US UP. Not Christians, not Jews, not Buddhists, not Mormons, not Catholics… MUSLIMS. Ever other day I hear on the news how another suicide bomber blew up a bus full of kids or whatever. Fuck them and their fucked up religion.

We’ve gotten so politically correct as a society that we cant even use common fucking sense to protect ourselves without someone calling us racist or “part of the problem”. Fuck that. You know what the problem is? A bunch of crazy MUSLIMS want to blow us up because they want to stay in the stone age, marry more than one women, and dominate the planet with their religion. THAT’S what the problem is. Not that people are saying, “well ya know Dave, there sure seem to be a lot of Muslim folks trying to kill us”. That’s simply an accurate observation.

I was at Rolling Thunder yesterday down at the Mall in Washington. I saw a bunch of bikers, white, black, brown and yellow. I saw a bunch of veterans, white black brown and yellow. Guess what I DIDN’T see? I didn’t see a bunch of fucking Muslims! In fact I don’t recall seeing a single one (although I’m sure there were a few there). Honestly, I felt pretty safe.

I also saw far less liberal fucktards wearing their skinny jeans and carrying their satchels than usual. Imagine that: being surrounded by patriots, many of whom have actually served our great country to preserve the rights and privileges that allow you to support your liberal political agenda, even though it puts their life, and the lives of all Americans at risk.

But most of you liberals are too fucking stupid to see that or even comprehend the character it takes to do that - much easier to just call them racist fascists. [/quote]

Are you too dumb to understand a western mainly white, christian army has killed thousands of times more than muslims have through “terrorism” ?

If we should be ok profiling muslims as fanatics, why shouldn’t Muslims profile all white people as imperialist supporting war bringers and blow up big towers?

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

First of all, our military is very diverse - it’s not “mainly white”, it’s about 30% minorities (about consistent with our population). Second, are you too stupid to know the difference between an armed militant and an innocent civilian?

Our soldiers in occupied areas have orders not to fire unless fired upon. The political correct hand tying of our soldiers means more of them are killed to keep liberal assholes like you happy.

As for “war for profit”, are you fucking retarded? These wars have cost us almost a trillion dollars of taxpayer money! That’s not “profit”, you stupid liberal fuck. If we wanted a profit, we’d have annexed a few oilfields in Iraq and paid for the war that way.

Now I’m sure you’re gonna start whining about collateral damage. That’s when, IN WAR, bad shit happens to civilians. The US does it’s best to limit collateral damage. We avoid drone strikes in populated areas. We TRY to keep it to a minimum and punish officers and soldiers when mistakes happen. It’s tough sometimes because these jihad crazy fucks don’t wear uniforms and tend to hide behind women and children or set up control centers in hospitals or schools, effectively using innocent people as human shields. So sometimes mistakes happen and innocent people are injured or killed. If they tried to leave the area, it’s probably likely that the fucking Muslims using them as shields would have killed them anyway. But despite tactical disadvantage, we try to protect civilians. That’s not what they do. These fucking Muslims TARGET our civilians. They kill innocent people just going about their day. It’s not like accidentally killing one of the kids in the compound of Abu Takesituptheass. If you are too stupid to see the difference, then this conversation is over.[/quote]

I certainly think there is a huge distinction between the US military killing civilians as collateral and some people deliberately targeting civilians. However try explaining to a mother or father that a US soldier killed their son, but it’s ok, because they were really trying to ki

I am certainly not trying to defend them then going off an supporting suicide bombings and the like. But at the same time you have to be able to see that as far as they are concerned, their country is being invaded, civilians are being killed, and they want to do something about it.

If the equivalent happened to the US, the country attacking would probably get nuked and many more civilians would die. You can’t expect your country to wage war, and then not have any sort of backlash
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Fuck so what if these countries were invaded… 9/11 and various other attacks happened well before these wars were started. Don’t remember the bible teaching to kill non believers !

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[quote]docholliday7777 wrote:

[quote]The Ox Man wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I don’t get why people are questioning how MOST people are profiling Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE BLOWING US UP. Not Christians, not Jews, not Buddhists, not Mormons, not Catholics… MUSLIMS. Ever other day I hear on the news how another suicide bomber blew up a bus full of kids or whatever. Fuck them and their fucked up religion.

We’ve gotten so politically correct as a society that we cant even use common fucking sense to protect ourselves without someone calling us racist or “part of the problem”. Fuck that. You know what the problem is? A bunch of crazy MUSLIMS want to blow us up because they want to stay in the stone age, marry more than one women, and dominate the planet with their religion. THAT’S what the problem is. Not that people are saying, “well ya know Dave, there sure seem to be a lot of Muslim folks trying to kill us”. That’s simply an accurate observation.

I was at Rolling Thunder yesterday down at the Mall in Washington. I saw a bunch of bikers, white, black, brown and yellow. I saw a bunch of veterans, white black brown and yellow. Guess what I DIDN’T see? I didn’t see a bunch of fucking Muslims! In fact I don’t recall seeing a single one (although I’m sure there were a few there). Honestly, I felt pretty safe.

I also saw far less liberal fucktards wearing their skinny jeans and carrying their satchels than usual. Imagine that: being surrounded by patriots, many of whom have actually served our great country to preserve the rights and privileges that allow you to support your liberal political agenda, even though it puts their life, and the lives of all Americans at risk.

But most of you liberals are too fucking stupid to see that or even comprehend the character it takes to do that - much easier to just call them racist fascists. [/quote]

Are you too dumb to understand a western mainly white, christian army has killed thousands of times more than muslims have through “terrorism” ?

If we should be ok profiling muslims as fanatics, why shouldn’t Muslims profile all white people as imperialist supporting war bringers and blow up big towers?

How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]

First of all, our military is very diverse - it’s not “mainly white”, it’s about 30% minorities (about consistent with our population). Second, are you too stupid to know the difference between an armed militant and an innocent civilian?

Our soldiers in occupied areas have orders not to fire unless fired upon. The political correct hand tying of our soldiers means more of them are killed to keep liberal assholes like you happy.

As for “war for profit”, are you fucking retarded? These wars have cost us almost a trillion dollars of taxpayer money! That’s not “profit”, you stupid liberal fuck. If we wanted a profit, we’d have annexed a few oilfields in Iraq and paid for the war that way.

Now I’m sure you’re gonna start whining about collateral damage. That’s when, IN WAR, bad shit happens to civilians. The US does it’s best to limit collateral damage. We avoid drone strikes in populated areas. We TRY to keep it to a minimum and punish officers and soldiers when mistakes happen. It’s tough sometimes because these jihad crazy fucks don’t wear uniforms and tend to hide behind women and children or set up control centers in hospitals or schools, effectively using innocent people as human shields. So sometimes mistakes happen and innocent people are injured or killed. If they tried to leave the area, it’s probably likely that the fucking Muslims using them as shields would have killed them anyway. But despite tactical disadvantage, we try to protect civilians. That’s not what they do. These fucking Muslims TARGET our civilians. They kill innocent people just going about their day. It’s not like accidentally killing one of the kids in the compound of Abu Takesituptheass. If you are too stupid to see the difference, then this conversation is over.[/quote]

I certainly think there is a huge distinction between the US military killing civilians as collateral and some people deliberately targeting civilians. However try explaining to a mother or father that a US soldier killed their son, but it’s ok, because they were really trying to ki

I am certainly not trying to defend them then going off an supporting suicide bombings and the like. But at the same time you have to be able to see that as far as they are concerned, their country is being invaded, civilians are being killed, and they want to do something about it.

If the equivalent happened to the US, the country attacking would probably get nuked and many more civilians would die. You can’t expect your country to wage war, and then not have any sort of backlash
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Fuck so what if these countries were invaded… 9/11 and various other attacks happened well before these wars were started. Don’t remember the bible teaching to kill non believers ! [/quote]

You can keep going back and find a justification from either side, if you want to and then keep escalating back and forth…

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[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

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How did the allies have any moral superiority over the Nazi regime?

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Are you shitting me???

Did the allies round up gypsies, the disabled and 6 million Jews and systematically murder them.

When American troops walked into a liberated town in Germany would it be normal for them to rape an attractive girl that caught their fancy even if it was in the front of a restaurant full of people.

Yes or No?

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Back to the UK, anyone interested in learning about how these “home-grown” terrorists are radicalised should check out The Islamist by Ed Husain, his personal account of how he got involved with then disentangled himself from radical Islam. The gist of it is that in Britain there is a generation of young Muslims who feel a disconnect from their traditional parents and their values, yet not quite British enough to feel like they belong UK society.

The Islamists then swoop in on this lack of identity, and in university groups or certain mosques they show graphic videos of atrocities committed against Muslims in the Balkans, Chechnya, or any other conflict involving Muslims, thereby rallying these young people around a common cause, providing the sense of belonging that had previously been missing.

It’s well worth the read for a unique take on the matter.

Going back a few pages, and as much as it pains me to say it, the French have definitely shown more balls with their version of multiculturalism than the UK has. The UK version is too self-effacing about its own culture, while simultaneously being too deferential to others: a combination that is far from conducive to integration.

Finally, why the hate against satchels?