[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Have any Muslim groups or Imams in England publicly condemned the actions of those two nutjobs?[/quote]
Pretty much every single one has made a statement condemning it. The idea that Islam actually encourages the violence is stupid. It’s exactly the same as Hitler thinking the Jews had a master plan, and that didn’t turn out too well…
They still haven’t done anything about it. Talk is cheap.
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
The idea that Islam actually encourages the violence is stupid. It’s exactly the same as Hitler thinking the Jews had a master plan, and that didn’t turn out too well…[/quote]
Um, no. There weren’t lots of Hitler’s, there was only one. There are lots of Islamic terrorist who, if they had the means, would commit world wide genocide of every human being who is not Islamic. This sounds far fetched but if you think about it objectively you will know it’s true.
I don’t know what Islam teaches, it might be a completely non-violent religion at face value for all I know. However, the culture of Islam is a breeding ground of ruthless intolerance for any other beliefs or customs. In addition to that it’s also a pretty damn oppressive culture to it’s own people.
I don’t know if the Islam religion actually encourages violence but I do know the Islam culture is about the most fucked up culture on the planet.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
The idea that Islam actually encourages the violence is stupid. It’s exactly the same as Hitler thinking the Jews had a master plan, and that didn’t turn out too well…[/quote]
Um, no. There weren’t lots of Hitler’s, there was only one. There are lots of Islamic terrorist who, if they had the means, would commit world wide genocide of every human being who is not Islamic. This sounds far fetched but if you think about it objectively you will know it’s true.
I don’t know what Islam teaches, it might be a completely non-violent religion at face value for all I know. However, the culture of Islam is a breeding ground of ruthless intolerance for any other beliefs or customs. In addition to that it’s also a pretty damn oppressive culture to it’s own people.
I don’t know if the Islam religion actually encourages violence but I do know the Islam culture is about the most fucked up culture on the planet.[/quote]
Hitler didn’t single handedly round up Jews, he may have started the anti semitic movement, but he certainly wasn’t the only supporter.
I really don’t think the problem is with Islam. The problem is with people who come from countries, or have ties with countries who feel those countries are being wrongly handled by the US and British military. It is everything to do with land and politics, and people have used Islam to get people to do what they want.
I certainly don’t disagree about issues with the culture though. I’ve heard some stories from friends that are horrible and incredibly racist. One of my friends has a cousin who married a black man. Her parents and grandparents haven’t spoken to her in 9 years, during this time she has had 2 children who have never met their grandparents purely because their dad is black. The same friend also had a relative marry a white girl, and they openly insulted her at her wedding, but the girl had no idea, she was given a tiara, which she was thrilled about, but apparently to have been given so little was a huge insult so everyone was laughing at her behind her back. And I have another friend who is 22, and she has been told by her parents that she has had enough time to find a man herself so her parents are going to start sorting it for her.
I openly tell them that their culture is fucked up. And they agree, they say their children will never have to put up with what they have had to
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
The idea that Islam actually encourages the violence is stupid. It’s exactly the same as Hitler thinking the Jews had a master plan, and that didn’t turn out too well…[/quote]
Um, no. There weren’t lots of Hitler’s, there was only one. There are lots of Islamic terrorist who, if they had the means, would commit world wide genocide of every human being who is not Islamic. This sounds far fetched but if you think about it objectively you will know it’s true.
I don’t know what Islam teaches, it might be a completely non-violent religion at face value for all I know. However, the culture of Islam is a breeding ground of ruthless intolerance for any other beliefs or customs. In addition to that it’s also a pretty damn oppressive culture to it’s own people.
I don’t know if the Islam religion actually encourages violence but I do know the Islam culture is about the most fucked up culture on the planet.[/quote]
Hitler didn’t single handedly round up Jews, he may have started the anti semitic movement, but he certainly wasn’t the only supporter.
I really don’t think the problem is with Islam. The problem is with people who come from countries, or have ties with countries who feel those countries are being wrongly handled by the US and British military. It is everything to do with land and politics, and people have used Islam to get people to do what they want.
I certainly don’t disagree about issues with the culture though. I’ve heard some stories from friends that are horrible and incredibly racist. One of my friends has a cousin who married a black man. Her parents and grandparents haven’t spoken to her in 9 years, during this time she has had 2 children who have never met their grandparents purely because their dad is black. The same friend also had a relative marry a white girl, and they openly insulted her at her wedding, but the girl had no idea, she was given a tiara, which she was thrilled about, but apparently to have been given so little was a huge insult so everyone was laughing at her behind her back. And I have another friend who is 22, and she has been told by her parents that she has had enough time to find a man herself so her parents are going to start sorting it for her.
I openly tell them that their culture is fucked up. And they agree, they say their children will never have to put up with what they have had to[/quote]
No problem with islam?
Yes the kingpins exploit brainwashed fools to do what they wish to further their own political agenda based on land/invasions, but what they advise (martyrdom, murdering infidels etc.) is in the koran.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
They still haven’t done anything about it. Talk is cheap.[/quote]
believe it or not jihadists don’t inform the larger muslim community of their plans. what the fuck were they supposed to do, thats like saying white people have not stopped rape or done anything about it afterwards to lower rape statistics, guess all white people support rape.
[quote]Yonatan wrote:
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
The idea that Islam actually encourages the violence is stupid. It’s exactly the same as Hitler thinking the Jews had a master plan, and that didn’t turn out too well…[/quote]
Um, no. There weren’t lots of Hitler’s, there was only one. There are lots of Islamic terrorist who, if they had the means, would commit world wide genocide of every human being who is not Islamic. This sounds far fetched but if you think about it objectively you will know it’s true.
I don’t know what Islam teaches, it might be a completely non-violent religion at face value for all I know. However, the culture of Islam is a breeding ground of ruthless intolerance for any other beliefs or customs. In addition to that it’s also a pretty damn oppressive culture to it’s own people.
I don’t know if the Islam religion actually encourages violence but I do know the Islam culture is about the most fucked up culture on the planet.[/quote]
Hitler didn’t single handedly round up Jews, he may have started the anti semitic movement, but he certainly wasn’t the only supporter.
I really don’t think the problem is with Islam. The problem is with people who come from countries, or have ties with countries who feel those countries are being wrongly handled by the US and British military. It is everything to do with land and politics, and people have used Islam to get people to do what they want.
I certainly don’t disagree about issues with the culture though. I’ve heard some stories from friends that are horrible and incredibly racist. One of my friends has a cousin who married a black man. Her parents and grandparents haven’t spoken to her in 9 years, during this time she has had 2 children who have never met their grandparents purely because their dad is black. The same friend also had a relative marry a white girl, and they openly insulted her at her wedding, but the girl had no idea, she was given a tiara, which she was thrilled about, but apparently to have been given so little was a huge insult so everyone was laughing at her behind her back. And I have another friend who is 22, and she has been told by her parents that she has had enough time to find a man herself so her parents are going to start sorting it for her.
I openly tell them that their culture is fucked up. And they agree, they say their children will never have to put up with what they have had to[/quote]
No problem with islam?
Yes the kingpins exploit brainwashed fools to do what they wish to further their own political agenda based on land/invasions, but what they advise (martyrdom, murdering infidels etc.) is in the koran.
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Christianity supports martyrdom and killing for yahweh as much as islamic scripture calls for muslims to kills those who oppose allah. the reason we such muslims kill more in the name of their religeon is that they are using it to fight oppression. many historians say that after the left wing factions in palestine and other occupied islamic lands failed to liberate the people, they reverted back to fundamentalism. the exact same thing happened in chechneya, nationalism failed against the russians, islamic fundamentalism rose.
it is basic human nature throughout history for oppressed people to use thei cultural spiritual beliefs to fight an oppressive force, yes it is dumb because islamic fundamentalism is every biut as oppressive as american occupation, i am not supporting it, i am merely stating thats what is happening.
most “muslims” are not muslims, they are brown people who uphold certain ceremonies like ramadan or weddings but don’t really believe anything.
most supposed muslim people in the uk right wingers quote as a source of islamification are atheists and just happen to be brown, racists don’t seem to get islam is a religeon, not a race.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
They still haven’t done anything about it. Talk is cheap.[/quote]
Problem is, being a fanatic means that they are utterly convinced that their methods and cause are righteous and backed by Allah.
A public condemnation from within their own faith will do little to change that. Recent events have shown that public, progressive action within Islam is met with violence, just as it is with outsiders.
The Pakistani teen who got shot in the head for trying raise the standard of education in schools is what happens when fundamentalism meets modern views:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
They still haven’t done anything about it. Talk is cheap.[/quote]
Problem is, being a fanatic means that they are utterly convinced that their methods and cause are righteous and backed by Allah.
A public condemnation from within their own faith will do little to change that. Recent events have shown that public, progressive action within Islam is met with violence, just as it is with outsiders.
The Pakistani teen who got shot in the head for trying raise the standard of education in schools is what happens when fundamentalism meets modern views:
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That girl is an incredibly brave girl, who opposes the fundamentalists and US occupation. Infact I believe she is a marxist and an advocate of permanent revolution ala leon trotsky. makes the 14 year old version of me look like such a lazy wanker haha.
I hate violence.
I don’t have any room in my heart for further hate towards the non-violent.
Fuck profiling.
If you try and lump people into groups that you deem more “dangerous,” you are spreading hate, and are part of the problem.
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
The Emirates project he’s talking about specifically sounds ridiculous, there is no way such grand areas as Liverpool, Manchester and even Birmingham would be subject to widespread Sharia Law, if the group were trying to make that happen and even remotely succeeding we’d already be in the midst of an official civil war by now.
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Lets party like its 1599…
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
Fuck profiling.
If you try and lump people into groups that you deem more “dangerous,” you are spreading hate, and are part of the problem.[/quote]
Yeah, cause if you dont, you are more likely to die and therefore no longer any problem to anyone.
Some people are more likely to kill you than other people.
Deal with it.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
The problem is how to separate those who won’t integrate and those who will.
Can you do this without racism? If you can, you’ve solved the underlying root cause of all this.
Unless you’re willing to deny the people that are willing to be productive members of society the opportunity to immigrate and start a life for themselves. As the child of immigrant parents (and since I wasn’t born in NZ, but rather moved over at three months, I’m technically an immigrant too), I do worry at some of the comments here.
I get you mean well, but you have no thought for the wider implications of your statements were they to influence political decision making.[/quote]
Seriously people, all you’re doing is stroking each others cocks gently while not actually fixing anything.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
The Emirates project he’s talking about specifically sounds ridiculous, there is no way such grand areas as Liverpool, Manchester and even Birmingham would be subject to widespread Sharia Law, if the group were trying to make that happen and even remotely succeeding we’d already be in the midst of an official civil war by now.
[/quote]
Lets party like its 1599…[/quote]
1642?
I assume that’s a Prince reference, nice Prince reference. Here’s Raspberry Beret, just in spite of Prince trying to hide his music from us younger souls.
I don’t get why people are questioning how MOST people are profiling Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE BLOWING US UP. Not Christians, not Jews, not Buddhists, not Mormons, not Catholics… MUSLIMS. Ever other day I hear on the news how another suicide bomber blew up a bus full of kids or whatever. Fuck them and their fucked up religion.
We’ve gotten so politically correct as a society that we cant even use common fucking sense to protect ourselves without someone calling us racist or “part of the problem”. Fuck that. You know what the problem is? A bunch of crazy MUSLIMS want to blow us up because they want to stay in the stone age, marry more than one women, and dominate the planet with their religion. THAT’S what the problem is. Not that people are saying, “well ya know Dave, there sure seem to be a lot of Muslim folks trying to kill us”. That’s simply an accurate observation.
I was at Rolling Thunder yesterday down at the Mall in Washington. I saw a bunch of bikers, white, black, brown and yellow. I saw a bunch of veterans, white black brown and yellow. Guess what I DIDN’T see? I didn’t see a bunch of fucking Muslims! In fact I don’t recall seeing a single one (although I’m sure there were a few there). Honestly, I felt pretty safe.
I also saw far less liberal fucktards wearing their skinny jeans and carrying their satchels than usual. Imagine that: being surrounded by patriots, many of whom have actually served our great country to preserve the rights and privileges that allow you to support your liberal political agenda, even though it puts their life, and the lives of all Americans at risk.
But most of you liberals are too fucking stupid to see that or even comprehend the character it takes to do that - much easier to just call them racist fascists.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I don’t get why people are questioning how MOST people are profiling Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE BLOWING US UP. Not Christians, not Jews, not Buddhists, not Mormons, not Catholics… MUSLIMS. Ever other day I hear on the news how another suicide bomber blew up a bus full of kids or whatever. Fuck them and their fucked up religion.
We’ve gotten so politically correct as a society that we cant even use common fucking sense to protect ourselves without someone calling us racist or “part of the problem”. Fuck that. You know what the problem is? A bunch of crazy MUSLIMS want to blow us up because they want to stay in the stone age, marry more than one women, and dominate the planet with their religion. THAT’S what the problem is. Not that people are saying, “well ya know Dave, there sure seem to be a lot of Muslim folks trying to kill us”. That’s simply an accurate observation.
I was at Rolling Thunder yesterday down at the Mall in Washington. I saw a bunch of bikers, white, black, brown and yellow. I saw a bunch of veterans, white black brown and yellow. Guess what I DIDN’T see? I didn’t see a bunch of fucking Muslims! In fact I don’t recall seeing a single one (although I’m sure there were a few there). Honestly, I felt pretty safe.
I also saw far less liberal fucktards wearing their skinny jeans and carrying their satchels than usual. Imagine that: being surrounded by patriots, many of whom have actually served our great country to preserve the rights and privileges that allow you to support your liberal political agenda, even though it puts their life, and the lives of all Americans at risk.
But most of you liberals are too fucking stupid to see that or even comprehend the character it takes to do that - much easier to just call them racist fascists. [/quote]
Are you too dumb to understand a western mainly white, christian army has killed thousands of times more than muslims have through “terrorism” ?
If we should be ok profiling muslims as fanatics, why shouldn’t Muslims profile all white people as imperialist supporting war bringers and blow up big towers?
How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]
you can’t just always victimize the attacker, blowing civilians up is not an appropriate response.
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]
you can’t just always victimize the attacker, blowing civilians up is not an appropriate response.[/quote]
Blowing up civilians was an appropriate response for america to 9/11 though? see here is my issue, either call American soldiers terrorists with equal ferocity as you call muslim bombers otherwise your argument has no validity.
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]
you can’t just always victimize the attacker, blowing civilians up is not an appropriate response.[/quote]
Blowing up civilians was an appropriate response for america to 9/11 though? see here is my issue, either call American soldiers terrorists with equal ferocity as you call muslim bombers otherwise your argument has no validity.[/quote]
Our troops in the field have to ask permission to return fire when some fucktard shoots at them.
We could make the typical ancient Roman response of razing a village at a country level.
We constrain ourselves.
And we don’t trick kids into wearing explosives and plowing themselves up.
You should read a dictionary more often.
[quote]2busy wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
How about we address the main problem, which is war for profit rather than the response which is muslims blowing shit up?[/quote]
you can’t just always victimize the attacker, blowing civilians up is not an appropriate response.[/quote]
Blowing up civilians was an appropriate response for america to 9/11 though? see here is my issue, either call American soldiers terrorists with equal ferocity as you call muslim bombers otherwise your argument has no validity.[/quote]
Our troops in the field have to ask permission to return fire when some fucktard shoots at them.
We could make the typical ancient Roman response of razing a village at a country level.
We constrain ourselves.
And we don’t trick kids into wearing explosives and plowing themselves up.
You should read a dictionary more often.[/quote]
Ask over 100,000 civillians murdered by US forces if the US military restrains itself lol. when the soldier went on a rampage and killed like 10 kids he was jsut crazy, when a muslim blows people up, all muslim resistance is terror.
white christian kills people = bad apple went crazy
muslims kills people = terrorist, senseless violence, fanatic, whole group is terrorist