[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
Do all christians and jews really believe in only eating shit bread?
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[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
Yes I am aware they did not eat the shit dude lol.
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Assuming you were aware… use better syntax next time.[/quote]
I will try better to form correct sentences, English is my second language.
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
Dude, I am not arguing that, I am giving their rationale.
By the way let me state. Fuck Islam, fuck mohammed, fuck all terrorism. But have the same outrage at imperialist state terror.
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I’m saying they have no rationale. They have no clue. They are imbeciles who reason like children and that’s why they were captivated by extremist preaching. I am almost sure they had a chip on their shoulders, some angst, some sense of life isn’t fair, and some “mentor” directed their frustrations against “imperial” soldiers. Rationale? The soldier they killed could very well have been a Muslim himself. They did it for women? They mean the women they treat like dogs and mutilate? They are two weak-minded pussies who vented their frustrations on someone who probably would have risked his life to save theirs. It’s like that loser in Boston. He had issues with life and blamed America for his shortcomings. He could have gone back to his birth country if he was having such a hard time here but instead he believes he has the right to punish other people because he can’t get what he wants. That’s vanity. Go to school. Get a job. Don’t kill people.
Imperialist state terror? That doesn’t exist in today’s world. You have Russians and Arabs buying football teams in England. You have the Saudis buying US fighters. Western nations are training the Afghan army and police. These idiots think it’s Muslims vs the world? I’ll believe that when sheiks stop driving Ferraris.
The problem is how to separate those who won’t integrate and those who will.
Can you do this without racism? If you can, you’ve solved the underlying root cause of all this.
Unless you’re willing to deny the people that are willing to be productive members of society the opportunity to immigrate and start a life for themselves. As the child of immigrant parents (and since I wasn’t born in NZ, but rather moved over at three months, I’m technically an immigrant too), I do worry at some of the comments here.
I get you mean well, but you have no thought for the wider implications of your statements were they to influence political decision making.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
Dude, I am not arguing that, I am giving their rationale.
By the way let me state. Fuck Islam, fuck mohammed, fuck all terrorism. But have the same outrage at imperialist state terror.
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I’m saying they have no rationale. They have no clue. They are imbeciles who reason like children and that’s why they were captivated by extremist preaching. I am almost sure they had a chip on their shoulders, some angst, some sense of life isn’t fair, and some “mentor” directed their frustrations against “imperial” soldiers. Rationale? The soldier they killed could very well have been a Muslim himself. They did it for women? They mean the women they treat like dogs and mutilate? They are two weak-minded pussies who vented their frustrations on someone who probably would have risked his life to save theirs. It’s like that loser in Boston. He had issues with life and blamed America for his shortcomings. He could have gone back to his birth country if he was having such a hard time here but instead he believes he has the right to punish other people because he can’t get what he wants. That’s vanity. Go to school. Get a job. Don’t kill people.
Imperialist state terror? That doesn’t exist in today’s world. You have Russians and Arabs buying football teams in England. You have the Saudis buying US fighters. Western nations are training the Afghan army and police. These idiots think it’s Muslims vs the world? I’ll believe that when sheiks stop driving Ferraris. [/quote]
That is a hollow meaningless thing to say. How are soldiers protecting muslims abroad, you seem to think the entire population wants them out of their country for some religeous reason, not because they are massacring thousands of people so a few white buisnessmen can make money selling the bombs, blowing shit up and make money rebuilding it, aswell as those who profit from the oil being sold in dollars opposed to foreign currency, those who mine for billions and trillions worth of minerals and the private contractors getting no bid contracts.
No its because muslims just don’t get we are giving them democracy.
you are in the 1 percent who still thinks soldiers are occupying countries for good.
What a horrific and tragic incident.
The worst part for me is that now these animals are being treated at the expense of us taxpayers, and we can look forward to footing the bill their long-term (15 years?) stay in the 4* prison system.
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
Dude, I am not arguing that, I am giving their rationale.
By the way let me state. Fuck Islam, fuck mohammed, fuck all terrorism. But have the same outrage at imperialist state terror.
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I’m saying they have no rationale. They have no clue. They are imbeciles who reason like children and that’s why they were captivated by extremist preaching. I am almost sure they had a chip on their shoulders, some angst, some sense of life isn’t fair, and some “mentor” directed their frustrations against “imperial” soldiers. Rationale? The soldier they killed could very well have been a Muslim himself. They did it for women? They mean the women they treat like dogs and mutilate? They are two weak-minded pussies who vented their frustrations on someone who probably would have risked his life to save theirs. It’s like that loser in Boston. He had issues with life and blamed America for his shortcomings. He could have gone back to his birth country if he was having such a hard time here but instead he believes he has the right to punish other people because he can’t get what he wants. That’s vanity. Go to school. Get a job. Don’t kill people.
Imperialist state terror? That doesn’t exist in today’s world. You have Russians and Arabs buying football teams in England. You have the Saudis buying US fighters. Western nations are training the Afghan army and police. These idiots think it’s Muslims vs the world? I’ll believe that when sheiks stop driving Ferraris. [/quote]
That is a hollow meaningless thing to say. How are soldiers protecting muslims abroad, you seem to think the entire population wants them out of their country for some religeous reason, not because they are massacring thousands of people so a few white buisnessmen can make money selling the bombs, blowing shit up and make money rebuilding it, aswell as those who profit from the oil being sold in dollars opposed to foreign currency, those who mine for billions and trillions worth of minerals and the private contractors getting no bid contracts.
No its because muslims just don’t get we are giving them democracy.
you are in the 1 percent who still thinks soldiers are occupying countries for good.[/quote]
No. I just don’t believe it’s because they are Muslims. And what country are you talking about? Afghanistan? It has a government and it is working with western nations so a good number of Afghans want Western help keeping the Taliban from taking over again. I’m pretty sure that given a choice between the Taliban and having western soldiers there, Afghan women would prefer western soldiers so it isn’t the entire population.
I’m not justifying any of the wars over there but the idea that a few young men who are willing to behead another person speak for every Muslim is wrong. If it really was about Islam vs everyone else then they wouldn’t be engaged in business with the west.
I’m sure a lot of people in the ME don’t exactly love the US but I wouldn’t be surprised if they dislike(and fear)the fundamentalists even more. How many Muslims from the ME immigrate to western nations? How many westerners immigrate to the ME? That tells you something about just how much they hate the west. The World Cup is headed to the ME. Maybe they don’t hate us as much as some of them would have us believe. What exactly is their agenda?
I would like to have a moment of silence in Solidarity for the English.
I am Welch and my family came to the American colonies back in the 1600’s. I feel for you brothers.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I would like to have a moment of silence in Solidarity for the English.
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x2.
I find this very troubling, I’m of English descent and have family in the UK who’ve served in the army, the brazeness of these guys particularly gets to me.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I would like to have a moment of silence in Solidarity for the English.
I am Welch and my family came to the American colonies back in the 1600’s. I feel for you brothers.[/quote]
If theres one thing we hate more than terrorists its sheep shagging taffs 
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
Dude, I am not arguing that, I am giving their rationale.
By the way let me state. Fuck Islam, fuck mohammed, fuck all terrorism. But have the same outrage at imperialist state terror.
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I’m saying they have no rationale. They have no clue. They are imbeciles who reason like children and that’s why they were captivated by extremist preaching. I am almost sure they had a chip on their shoulders, some angst, some sense of life isn’t fair, and some “mentor” directed their frustrations against “imperial” soldiers. Rationale? The soldier they killed could very well have been a Muslim himself. They did it for women? They mean the women they treat like dogs and mutilate? They are two weak-minded pussies who vented their frustrations on someone who probably would have risked his life to save theirs. It’s like that loser in Boston. He had issues with life and blamed America for his shortcomings. He could have gone back to his birth country if he was having such a hard time here but instead he believes he has the right to punish other people because he can’t get what he wants. That’s vanity. Go to school. Get a job. Don’t kill people.
Imperialist state terror? That doesn’t exist in today’s world. You have Russians and Arabs buying football teams in England. You have the Saudis buying US fighters. Western nations are training the Afghan army and police. These idiots think it’s Muslims vs the world? I’ll believe that when sheiks stop driving Ferraris. [/quote]
That is a hollow meaningless thing to say. How are soldiers protecting muslims abroad, you seem to think the entire population wants them out of their country for some religeous reason, not because they are massacring thousands of people so a few white buisnessmen can make money selling the bombs, blowing shit up and make money rebuilding it, aswell as those who profit from the oil being sold in dollars opposed to foreign currency, those who mine for billions and trillions worth of minerals and the private contractors getting no bid contracts.
No its because muslims just don’t get we are giving them democracy.
you are in the 1 percent who still thinks soldiers are occupying countries for good.[/quote]
No. I just don’t believe it’s because they are Muslims. And what country are you talking about? Afghanistan? It has a government and it is working with western nations so a good number of Afghans want Western help keeping the Taliban from taking over again. I’m pretty sure that given a choice between the Taliban and having western soldiers there, Afghan women would prefer western soldiers so it isn’t the entire population.
I’m not justifying any of the wars over there but the idea that a few young men who are willing to behead another person speak for every Muslim is wrong. If it really was about Islam vs everyone else then they wouldn’t be engaged in business with the west.
I’m sure a lot of people in the ME don’t exactly love the US but I wouldn’t be surprised if they dislike(and fear)the fundamentalists even more. How many Muslims from the ME immigrate to western nations? How many westerners immigrate to the ME? That tells you something about just how much they hate the west. The World Cup is headed to the ME. Maybe they don’t hate us as much as some of them would have us believe. What exactly is their agenda? [/quote]
Where do we disagree? i agree its not a muslim thing, what i am saying is some people under occupation or against it use their religion as a way to fight back. not saying i advocate religious groups fighting imperialism rather than secular ones.
The reason they come to the west is because imperialism uses the third world as mass slave pools of labour, the first world offer better conditions, the they move here we can’t be that bad argument is terrible, they move here because we made THERE that bad.
Also womens rights has nothing to do with the war, that is a false arguement, just ask the RAWA, feminist revolutionaries of afgghanistan, they say things are just as bad for women under the occupation as before, with the added risk of being shot or bombed.
Hell, the AA and police practise the rape, selling and owning of small boys, bacha bazi which the taliban outlawed after they beat the rival faction and emerged from the mujahadeen, is that an argument that the taliban were good? NO! So women are not benefiting from the occupation, but even if they did even a tiny bit, it does not mean its a legit reason for occupation, like the fact if the taliban regained control boys would stop being raped as part of popular culture, still wouldn’t be reason to support the taliban.
As much as I don’t necessarily like it, I agree largely with what harrypotter has said.
I’m not racist, I have plenty of Asian friends. But I do notice a massive divide within the Asian community in this country. There seems to be the Asians who don’t care about religion or race, who mix with everyone and no one even really thinks about the colour of their skin, I have no problem at all with any of these people, as I am friends with many.
Then there are groups of Asians, I have to say mostly Asian men in particular, who have their Asian groups, and keep themselves apart from whites and other nationalities. I do think it is partly to do with their sexist culture, the Asian women I know want to be rid of their parents and grandparents beliefs to do with marriage and the woman’s role and so much prefer to mix with whites and others. Whereas the men are treated better in their culture and so they tend to be much more interested in family and other Asian friends than integrating properly with other ethnicities.
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
As much as I don’t necessarily like it, I agree largely with what harrypotter has said.
I’m not racist, I have plenty of Asian friends. But I do notice a massive divide within the Asian community in this country. There seems to be the Asians who don’t care about religion or race, who mix with everyone and no one even really thinks about the colour of their skin, I have no problem at all with any of these people, as I am friends with many.
Then there are groups of Asians, I have to say mostly Asian men in particular, who have their Asian groups, and keep themselves apart from whites and other nationalities. I do think it is partly to do with their sexist culture, the Asian women I know want to be rid of their parents and grandparents beliefs to do with marriage and the woman’s role and so much prefer to mix with whites and others. Whereas the men are treated better in their culture and so they tend to be much more interested in family and other Asian friends than integrating properly with other ethnicities.[/quote]
why should people have to integrate, when europeans move to north america, or Australia and new Zealand we don’t take on aborigine culture.
if i move to Spain i don’t get pressured to speak spanish and wear spanish fashion or eat spanish food.
fuck integration. Also you know some asians who dont care about race or religion but some do, i know plenty of brits who don’t care about race and culture and plenty who do, you didn’t really make any point.
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
As much as I don’t necessarily like it, I agree largely with what harrypotter has said.
I’m not racist, I have plenty of Asian friends. But I do notice a massive divide within the Asian community in this country. There seems to be the Asians who don’t care about religion or race, who mix with everyone and no one even really thinks about the colour of their skin, I have no problem at all with any of these people, as I am friends with many.
Then there are groups of Asians, I have to say mostly Asian men in particular, who have their Asian groups, and keep themselves apart from whites and other nationalities. I do think it is partly to do with their sexist culture, the Asian women I know want to be rid of their parents and grandparents beliefs to do with marriage and the woman’s role and so much prefer to mix with whites and others. Whereas the men are treated better in their culture and so they tend to be much more interested in family and other Asian friends than integrating properly with other ethnicities.[/quote]
why should people have to integrate, when europeans move to north america, or Australia and new Zealand we don’t take on aborigine culture.
if i move to Spain i don’t get pressured to speak spanish and wear spanish fashion or eat spanish food.
fuck integration. Also you know some asians who dont care about race or religion but some do, i know plenty of brits who don’t care about race and culture and plenty who do, you didn’t really make any point.
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I was responding to harrypotter’s post about the general divide between races in the UK. My point was that in my opinion, the reason for the divide is down to some Asian people not wanting to associate with other ethnicities and keep to themselves. This inevitably causes some friction.
If you immigrate to another country, you should be adjusting yourself to how things work in that country.
That doesn’t necessarily mean discarding your own culture, but finding a way to to mix your cultural intricacies with the new country that has chosen to adopt you.
Most of these fucked up assholes left their shit-hole countries to find better lives.
Instead of improving their station in life, they brought their shit-hole ways with them, and want the country they immigrated to, to adjust to them.
Sorry bro, doesn’t work that way.
sharkonesie, your statement about Europeans not adopting Native American, Aborigine, etc, culture is a couple hundred years too late, we know better now than to annihilate cultures via immigration, something that some Muslims don’t seem to have clued in on yet.
Just because it didn’t happen then, doesn’t make it right, and doesn’t mean we should let the history repeat itself, so smarten up, you sound like some angry, brain-washed teenager.
Finally, these Muslim radicals need to be put down by their own.
Especially if they aren’t representing what some Muslims believe isn’t true Islam.
This is an internal problem that needs to be addressed by the Muslim community, thus far they haven’t addressed it, and as someone else stated it may be because they condone it, whether publicly or in private.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Are the descriptions of England in this article accurate?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/349337/islams-parallel-emirate-uk [/quote]
Some of that sounds like total bullshit. There are certain areas that have become muslim-dominant, and cater to muslim groups, but they’re not entirely segregated to the point of refusing non-muslim individuals from entering. The Emirates project he’s talking about specifically sounds ridiculous, there is no way such grand areas as Liverpool, Manchester and even Birmingham would be subject to widespread Sharia Law, if the group were trying to make that happen and even remotely succeeding we’d already be in the midst of an official civil war by now.
There are people and communities that decide not to segregate completely, and sometimes even go so far as to garner contempt for non-muslims, but they are not so subservient to a kind of dictatorial religious rule that they would become independent states of union, that’s insane to even theorise.
This article is silly, it’s running entirely on racism, bigotry and blind agreement for it’s support. I’m not pro-Islam, and I will not defend any imposition of Sharia Law on British legality, but it’s not happening even nearly to the extent the journalist is reporting it to be.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Are the descriptions of England in this article accurate?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/349337/islams-parallel-emirate-uk [/quote]
No, those were planned actions from an extremist organisation which has since been dissolved and criminalised.
It is important to note that the majority of Muslims in Britain don’t support that kind of behaviour and are a valuable part of British society. It’s just the actions of some that ruin it for everyone, which is unfortunate.
Have any Muslim groups or Imams in England publicly condemned the actions of those two nutjobs?
