You’re right, its not that low. I guess I’m used to seeing case studies of patients with problems and not trained athletes. It is out of “normal” range but again, trained athletes are not normal lol. But if it’s artificially low in someone on a BB then maybe the dose is too high.
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I take atenolol for the exact reasons you specified earlier. The cardioselectivity is preferable compared to say, propranolol
My resting HR off atenolol still rarely climbs above 65, typically 55-60, lower in the mornings at 45-50. My BP is just low, there’s a genetic component, my mother as a teenager never had BP measured above 90/60
Beta blocker isn’t merely indicated for treatment of my autonomic instability, it’s by far the most helpful medication I’ve ever used in relation to treating social phobia (not as effective as propranolol due preference to blocking b1 adrenergic receptor subtype rather than b1 and b2, however the lack of tachycardia induced when socializing in general is tremendously helpful)
Propranolol had unpleasant side effects for me and DID drop my BP further. My dose is relatively low, 50mg/day
Sounds like you have it figured out. I’ve never heard of anyone with that low of a blood pressure as normal… you got some nice genetics. Your kidneys must be as fresh as a springtime meadow
My great uncle (I think, not certain what an uncle is, the brother of one of my grandparents) died at age 102, grandmothers are late 80s and mid 90s (both smoked frequently)
Grandpa died of a stroke at 60…
#genetics
I’ve had a genetic analysis performed, it appears I harbour many genes indicative of longevity… which is a bitch as I deal with chronic pain now, I’ll be like Ronnie Coleman by the time I’m 50…
I’ve actually wanted to get genetic analysis done! How/where did you do that? Price?
It’s nooooottttt particularly cheap. I’ll check my purchase records tomorrow as I can’t remember the exact price
I don’t do anything other than dr prescribed trt. Though he is generous on the amount he will prescribe.
My RHR right now is 59. Back when I was a competitive triathlete, my RHR was 40. My PCP sent me for additional test because it was not normal in his eyes. When I do cardio, i max out in the 150’s when I crest a big hill on my bike. I bump up into the 140’s often, but drop back to 110 range when just rolling.
23&me does the testing. It was $169 when I attempted to do it. My sample was rejected twice, so I never got my results.
How much does he prescribe?
Triathlete training is highly strenuous in nature, the cardiac remodeling/adaptations that’d occur from the aerobic+Anerobic components of the training would be rather significant
Get some eccentric LVH from the running/swimming and some phat concentric LVH from uphill running/sprints and cycling.
And perhaps some right ventricular remodeling too Yeet
(Long term significance unknown lol)
If I don’t take a beta blocker I can max out at around 210 from all out sprinting
What are your guys’ opinions on adding an oral like Dbol or Anavar? Do you like using them in the first, middle, or final weeks? If in the final weeks, do you run it up until PCT? Curious to see your guys’ preference.
Assuming Dbol, how quickly do you feel it? Does it take a few days until you start to notice anything or do you notice within a few hours? Do you only take on training days or prefer to keep levels constant with daily or BID/TID dosing?
Total thread hi-jack
My bro gets 210mg a week prescribed. Doc will give you what you need to be at 1200 at trough. My bro skips his dosage before his labs so he comes back low and gets more.
As for HR, i have gone past 160’s before. I was borderline passing out. I had to slow way down. I believe all the times it happened I was doing half ironman triathlons. Twice it was on the bike and once on the run. Heat played a factor in two of them, humidity played a factor in the other.
HR variability and max achievable HR is both highly genetic and dependent on age. Typically the younger you are the higher you can get it
How is this even possible? What’s the reasoning for making this a scheduled drug (scheduled is probably a US only term but same meaning)
Today is 4 days after my first pin and I feel a little fuller/harder. Maybe its just because I pushed a little harder in the gym and I’m feeling the tightness that comes naturally after a good session. But either way, I feel like I just want to flex constantly. Not a bad feeling.
Edit: I’m also urinating way more frequently today. Is this normal while on cycle? I don’t remember drinking extra yesterday.
Never mind, figured it out.
My HR when not affected by caffeine or stress is about 65-68 bpm. When affected as described it can be as high as 100 bpm
After serious consideration and more research, I would like to include dianabol in this cycle. It seems that others have had much success and the effects on the liver and lipids are a bit overblown.
If I include Dbol for 4 weeks, would you all recommend to start it once I get it (few days from now, beginning of week 3), mid-cycle (weeks 6-9), end of cycle, or end of cycle up to the beginning of PCT?
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In europe it’s different from country to country. Austria: OTC Germany: Prescription only
and so on. The reason is as follows: in Germany you have to prove a drug to be safe and effective but especially safe if you want OTC sale. That has not been done for melatonin apparently. In the US you have to prove that something is harmful to schedule it.
The difference is a difference in thinking: the US values personal freedom and responsibility, the German government values regulation and laws because we Germans are too stupid to decide for ourselves if we want to use melatonin, you know
@lordgains
I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast and the guest may have been Dr. Rhonda Patrick (maybe not) but they took 10,000mg of melatonin daily (they worked up to that amount over time). I had to rewind and make sure I heard it correctly. I believe it was for benefits of it’s cancer reducing effects long term. I just tried to find it but couldn’t fast enough. Will look again later but the guest also said it’s one of the only substances you can’t overdose on (die from taking too much).