Proviron is great to run alongside TRT at low doses such as 25mg/day. Reduces bloat for sure, frees up more test, and increases sex drive, even at that low dose. I’d run it year round if it didn’t negatively impact my cholesterol.
@dextermorgan I think you may be spot on. Most of what you felt seems to be what one would expect of someone with anemia to experience after treatment. Seems as if that may have indeed been the case.
Although I have not had my HRT checked yet, I haven’t experienced much of a cardio boost at all, which also makes me hypothesise that it was the increased rbc that had a positive effect on your well being, as it did your cardio.
@unreal24278 How long is your trial? When I did my research before starting EQ most of the advice/research advised to not front load EQ. Perhaps have a look at the pros and cons, depending on how long your trial is.
Probs gonna get 20 weeks worth. Was contemplating long term use, but with the potential long term ailment towards my kidneys (of which will occur regardless haha) I’ve decided not to. It’s mere experimentation at this point. Going to slowly see what’s the minimum amount of T I can run and still feel good, so over time I’ll titrare the T dose down, perhaps increase the EQ dose to compensate (max 250mg eq)
Not FDA approved, not on the US market, you’ll have to acquire through other means (or take a trip to europe and ask for a script lol)
There’s very little to no direct anabolism within skeletal muscle from the use of this compound (inactivated via 3-HSD in skeletal muscle to very weak diol metabolites) and the oral bioavailability is only around 3%, that being said it does appear to be rather potent regarding providing an androgenic “grainy” look if lean (anecdotes purport this) and perhaps ER antagonism could reduce bloating somewhat if water retention isn’t adrenal/electrolyte related
Had cortisone shot today… been told to abstain from exercise for another week… but I’m so detrained I don’t want to wait another week (at least)
Start with cycling, leg workouts etc. want to avoid pushing a lot of blood up to/around the area of injection… that pretty much rules out deadlifting. Hack squats, leg press, extensions and curls are probably all fair game
As would be cycling (but not running)
I recall being asked what caused this, why, what preventative measures have I taken etc. and when I explain my ailment the response I usually get is “well stop exercising like that then”
Or “don’t push hard”
- all exercise irritates the shoulder, even jogging
- don’t push hard in the gym… what? This is one of the biggest problems in society today fuelling the obesity epidemic… people generally praise and accept a sedentary lifestyle, the notion of intensive exercise is seen as ‘too hardcore’.
You wont see any results from Primo at that dose to be honest. 200mg of EQ would probably give you better results than 200mg of Primo.
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Why has DHB not been considered here?
I’m in Central America.
I do not need to get any bigger, LOL.
You wont blast EQ but you’re just going to start a lifelong protocol with it? Alrighty then.
Because it’s a designer drug with very little history regarding safety or efficiency. I can get DHB cypionate but not comfortable with that… not even rodent studies exist on this stuff. That’s REALLY guinea pigging myself
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No… lasting for 20 weeks…
And yes, there is sense to this. Many are on TRT for life 1-200mg/wk, but they’re not comfortable using 600mg/wk for short durations of time… why?
Bro theyre not an EQ for life. Not under advice of a doctor anyway.
I think there are people who use EQ for HRT. Definitely people who use EQ as their base AAS in a cycle instead of test.
If I was going to try to set some powerlifting records, I would probably add EQ into a cruise dose. Not good enough atm to justify that.
I’ve heard stories, idk if it’s true
75 mg test 200 EQ is the same amount of base hormone (roughly hormone mg/mg) to 250mg mg test c, about the anabolic equiv of 200mg test, with what I’d assume would be far less water retention and androgenic equiv of 175 ish test
At least by the ratings it would be anabolic equivalent to 275 of test. AAS ratio is 100:50 for EQ. Test is 100:100. These ratios are goofy it seems.
Yes, because numerous elements are involved regarding anabolism
Estrogen in particular for one (both directly and indirectly), cns simulation (indirectly), igf-1, insulin etc
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Yeah, anecdotal evidence is probably better than the ratings. Otherwise I could grow a full beard after one tab of Halo.
From what I’ve researched, it seems EQ is about half of test on anabolism, androgenic, and e2 conversion. I would really like EQ to be as anabolic as test, it just does not appear to be true in reality.
Another thing to look a that that mg/mg, EQ contains far less base hormone compared to TC (so about 63mg/100mg vs 69-70mg/100mg)
The equiv hormonal amount of 200mg eq + 75mg test C would be about 250mg test C
Interestingly, Halotestin is FDA approved to treat androgen deficiency long term in men (dose 5-20mg daily), as is (understandably) methyltestosterone (despite cardiovascular risks, hepatotoxicity etc) it is a pill with a high oral bioavailability and is thus very simply and would likely have a high rate of patient compliance… I’ve been looking for some, and honestly the next time I go travelling (given I hope to be done drinking… ever… but at this age to say never again is a promise that’ll probably be broken) for say 3-4 weeks I’ll just buy some and use that at 5-10mg daily, I kept forgetting/not having the time to take my test in Europe (being in a hostel/staying with teenagers, don’t have much time to whip out a needle, draw, inject etc)
Problem with halo is effect on adrenals, modification of RAAS (more extensive than many others), pro hypertensive effect/ hepatotoxicity (is 3x more toxic than oxandroloen mg/mg in terms of being able to induce BSP retention)… we otherwise don’t have much human literature on the stuff… it’s known its safe/well tolerated for up to 12 wks at 30mg/day in male subjects (though evidence of hepatic strain was present in almost all subjects, similar to the 50-150mg/day anadrol trials in HIV+ patients and 50-100mg anadrol trials in elderly men lasting 12+ weeks) then there’s also the trials wherein its given to children with idiopathic short stature (with or without delayed puberty) doses tend to be 2.5-10mg/day for quite a while… safety profile for this kind of short term use isn’t bad
Dyslipidemia is probably the most common side effect, that and elevated AST/ALT
I emailed you, when you have time no rush .