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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Yes it does, because I have NEVER seen him fat. He thinks that 10% plus is fat. But for most people it doesn’t work that way, it depends on your genetics. I actually brought him up as part of illustrating the argument.

Yes some people can lean gain and get massive naturally. Those people are few and far between. For MOST its only possible to lean gain to appreciable size with gear. Without it you have to be prepared to get a bit fat IF you want to get freaky. You can build an impressive physique the lean way naturally, but you will NEVER hit freak status, unless you are in the absolute minority of rare genetic freaks.
[/quote]

You were doing okay for a while but now you’re slippin’. Avoid CAPITALIZING words for emphasis if you don’t want people to suspect SOMETHING is FISHY.

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His friend walks around like this, only two inches taller.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
His friend walks around like this, only two inches taller. [/quote]

He may put on a pair of shorts if he’s going to a bar with bigfoot or catching a movie with the yeti but yeah basically that’s his friend casually walking around everywhere.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
The boob analogy is the definition of a straw man.

MassiveGuns, two questions for you if you don’t mind. A. What two lifters are you talking about questioning their natural status two their face? B. Do you in fact have massive guns? If so do you have a picture and training tips? Thank you.[/quote]

Well put.

I don’t think massive gunz got the memo that his friend has the same dimensions(and a natty to boot) as top(assisted) IFBB pros.

Just astounding.[/quote]

The world is round. NEWSFLASH!
[/quote]

Not only my friend, but wade johnson and bud jeffries. Both 300+ strength monsters accepted as natural lifters. But of course they can’t exist because statistics says so. [/quote]

Dude people can reach a bloaty 300lbs natty…people cannot get to 225lbs at 5’7" and 6% bodyfat natty.

Or maybe they can…but NEWSFLASH! nobody has ever seen it.[/quote]

Nobody in your sample selection. And of course an internet lifting forum represents the entire human race. I mean between the 50 or so people in this thread they all are on speaking terms with the other 6 billion, so we know that since no-one here has seen someone freaky natty that such people don’t exist.

What would bud jeffries or wade johnson look like if all they ate was protein and salad all day? Its not that big a stretch to see its possible.
[/quote]

I’ll absolutely concede that there could be some freak out there that could do this(natty that is)…no question.

But until that person comes outside into the sunshine then it is just a myth.

But I take it your friend did his gaining at a pretty low bodyfat right? I mean eating meat and salad all day long is a pretty strict diet.

So that kinda proves that a lean person can gain a ton of size, right?[/quote]

Yes it does, because I have NEVER seen him fat. He thinks that 10% plus is fat. But for most people it doesn’t work that way, it depends on your genetics. I actually brought him up as part of illustrating the argument.

Yes some people can lean gain and get massive naturally. Those people are few and far between. For MOST its only possible to lean gain to appreciable size with gear. Without it you have to be prepared to get a bit fat IF you want to get freaky. You can build an impressive physique the lean way naturally, but you will NEVER hit freak status, unless you are in the absolute minority of rare genetic freaks.
[/quote]

Exactly why we are amazed(and justifiably skeptical) by your friends physique.

As it was pointed out above to get to 6% bodyfat WITH anabolics is something that only the top pro’s can do.

So when you say that he is one of the biggest lean natty bb’s any of us have ever seen…you gotta see where we are coming from.

Walking around at 6% bodyfat 5’7" and 225lbs…is like a somebody walking out of the stands and beating Usain Bolt in a footrace.[/quote]

He is not a bodybuilder. He does not look in proportion, but he is 225 at slightly shorter than me. Maybe if he hadnt’t already been accused of steroid use the n a picture might have been an option. You know that your weight fluctuates during the day don’t you? So 225 at the end of the day could be 216 in the morning on an empty stomach. Lets say he was at his heaviest when weighed in the day. I’ve already admitted the estimation in his height so lets say he is 5 9 for the sake of it. The chemically assisted bodybuilder who competes at 225 of dense water depleted muscle will balloon up 30lbs after coming off the drugs. Is that a fair comparison to a natural?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
The boob analogy is the definition of a straw man.

MassiveGuns, two questions for you if you don’t mind. A. What two lifters are you talking about questioning their natural status two their face? B. Do you in fact have massive guns? If so do you have a picture and training tips? Thank you.[/quote]

Well put.

I don’t think massive gunz got the memo that his friend has the same dimensions(and a natty to boot) as top(assisted) IFBB pros.

Just astounding.[/quote]

The world is round. NEWSFLASH!
[/quote]

Not only my friend, but wade johnson and bud jeffries. Both 300+ strength monsters accepted as natural lifters. But of course they can’t exist because statistics says so. [/quote]

Dude people can reach a bloaty 300lbs natty…people cannot get to 225lbs at 5’7" and 6% bodyfat natty.

Or maybe they can…but NEWSFLASH! nobody has ever seen it.[/quote]

Nobody in your sample selection. And of course an internet lifting forum represents the entire human race. I mean between the 50 or so people in this thread they all are on speaking terms with the other 6 billion, so we know that since no-one here has seen someone freaky natty that such people don’t exist.

What would bud jeffries or wade johnson look like if all they ate was protein and salad all day? Its not that big a stretch to see its possible.
[/quote]

I’ll absolutely concede that there could be some freak out there that could do this(natty that is)…no question.

But until that person comes outside into the sunshine then it is just a myth.

But I take it your friend did his gaining at a pretty low bodyfat right? I mean eating meat and salad all day long is a pretty strict diet.

So that kinda proves that a lean person can gain a ton of size, right?[/quote]

Yes it does, because I have NEVER seen him fat. He thinks that 10% plus is fat. But for most people it doesn’t work that way, it depends on your genetics. I actually brought him up as part of illustrating the argument.

Yes some people can lean gain and get massive naturally. Those people are few and far between. For MOST its only possible to lean gain to appreciable size with gear. Without it you have to be prepared to get a bit fat IF you want to get freaky. You can build an impressive physique the lean way naturally, but you will NEVER hit freak status, unless you are in the absolute minority of rare genetic freaks.
[/quote]

Exactly why we are amazed(and justifiably skeptical) by your friends physique.

As it was pointed out above to get to 6% bodyfat WITH anabolics is something that only the top pro’s can do.

So when you say that he is one of the biggest lean natty bb’s any of us have ever seen…you gotta see where we are coming from.

Walking around at 6% bodyfat 5’7" and 225lbs…is like a somebody walking out of the stands and beating Usain Bolt in a footrace.[/quote]

He is not a bodybuilder. He does not look in proportion, but he is 225 at slightly shorter than me. Maybe if he hadnt’t already been accused of steroid use the n a picture might have been an option. You know that your weight fluctuates during the day don’t you? So 225 at the end of the day could be 216 in the morning on an empty stomach. Lets say he was at his heaviest when weighed in the day. I’ve already admitted the estimation in his height so lets say he is 5 9 for the sake of it. The chemically assisted bodybuilder who competes at 225 of dense water depleted muscle will balloon up 30lbs after coming off the drugs. Is that a fair comparison to a natural?
[/quote]

A natural usually holds less water, which would make him even more impressive at a similar weight of an assisted person. Who walks around at 6% (Stage ready) all year long?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
The boob analogy is the definition of a straw man.

MassiveGuns, two questions for you if you don’t mind. A. What two lifters are you talking about questioning their natural status two their face? B. Do you in fact have massive guns? If so do you have a picture and training tips? Thank you.[/quote]

Well put.

I don’t think massive gunz got the memo that his friend has the same dimensions(and a natty to boot) as top(assisted) IFBB pros.

Just astounding.[/quote]

The world is round. NEWSFLASH!
[/quote]

Not only my friend, but wade johnson and bud jeffries. Both 300+ strength monsters accepted as natural lifters. But of course they can’t exist because statistics says so. [/quote]

Dude people can reach a bloaty 300lbs natty…people cannot get to 225lbs at 5’7" and 6% bodyfat natty.

Or maybe they can…but NEWSFLASH! nobody has ever seen it.[/quote]

Nobody in your sample selection. And of course an internet lifting forum represents the entire human race. I mean between the 50 or so people in this thread they all are on speaking terms with the other 6 billion, so we know that since no-one here has seen someone freaky natty that such people don’t exist.

What would bud jeffries or wade johnson look like if all they ate was protein and salad all day? Its not that big a stretch to see its possible.
[/quote]

I’ll absolutely concede that there could be some freak out there that could do this(natty that is)…no question.

But until that person comes outside into the sunshine then it is just a myth.

But I take it your friend did his gaining at a pretty low bodyfat right? I mean eating meat and salad all day long is a pretty strict diet.

So that kinda proves that a lean person can gain a ton of size, right?[/quote]

Yes it does, because I have NEVER seen him fat. He thinks that 10% plus is fat. But for most people it doesn’t work that way, it depends on your genetics. I actually brought him up as part of illustrating the argument.

Yes some people can lean gain and get massive naturally. Those people are few and far between. For MOST its only possible to lean gain to appreciable size with gear. Without it you have to be prepared to get a bit fat IF you want to get freaky. You can build an impressive physique the lean way naturally, but you will NEVER hit freak status, unless you are in the absolute minority of rare genetic freaks.
[/quote]

Exactly why we are amazed(and justifiably skeptical) by your friends physique.

As it was pointed out above to get to 6% bodyfat WITH anabolics is something that only the top pro’s can do.

So when you say that he is one of the biggest lean natty bb’s any of us have ever seen…you gotta see where we are coming from.

Walking around at 6% bodyfat 5’7" and 225lbs…is like a somebody walking out of the stands and beating Usain Bolt in a footrace.[/quote]

He is not a bodybuilder. He does not look in proportion, but he is 225 at slightly shorter than me. Maybe if he hadnt’t already been accused of steroid use the n a picture might have been an option. You know that your weight fluctuates during the day don’t you? So 225 at the end of the day could be 216 in the morning on an empty stomach. Lets say he was at his heaviest when weighed in the day. I’ve already admitted the estimation in his height so lets say he is 5 9 for the sake of it. The chemically assisted bodybuilder who competes at 225 of dense water depleted muscle will balloon up 30lbs after coming off the drugs. Is that a fair comparison to a natural?
[/quote]

Being accused of steroid use is the single biggest compliment anyone can get.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
The boob analogy is the definition of a straw man.

MassiveGuns, two questions for you if you don’t mind. A. What two lifters are you talking about questioning their natural status two their face? B. Do you in fact have massive guns? If so do you have a picture and training tips? Thank you.[/quote]

Well put.

I don’t think massive gunz got the memo that his friend has the same dimensions(and a natty to boot) as top(assisted) IFBB pros.

Just astounding.[/quote]

The world is round. NEWSFLASH!
[/quote]

Not only my friend, but wade johnson and bud jeffries. Both 300+ strength monsters accepted as natural lifters. But of course they can’t exist because statistics says so. [/quote]

Dude people can reach a bloaty 300lbs natty…people cannot get to 225lbs at 5’7" and 6% bodyfat natty.

Or maybe they can…but NEWSFLASH! nobody has ever seen it.[/quote]

Nobody in your sample selection. And of course an internet lifting forum represents the entire human race. I mean between the 50 or so people in this thread they all are on speaking terms with the other 6 billion, so we know that since no-one here has seen someone freaky natty that such people don’t exist.

What would bud jeffries or wade johnson look like if all they ate was protein and salad all day? Its not that big a stretch to see its possible.
[/quote]

I’ll absolutely concede that there could be some freak out there that could do this(natty that is)…no question.

But until that person comes outside into the sunshine then it is just a myth.

But I take it your friend did his gaining at a pretty low bodyfat right? I mean eating meat and salad all day long is a pretty strict diet.

So that kinda proves that a lean person can gain a ton of size, right?[/quote]

Yes it does, because I have NEVER seen him fat. He thinks that 10% plus is fat. But for most people it doesn’t work that way, it depends on your genetics. I actually brought him up as part of illustrating the argument.

Yes some people can lean gain and get massive naturally. Those people are few and far between. For MOST its only possible to lean gain to appreciable size with gear. Without it you have to be prepared to get a bit fat IF you want to get freaky. You can build an impressive physique the lean way naturally, but you will NEVER hit freak status, unless you are in the absolute minority of rare genetic freaks.
[/quote]

Exactly why we are amazed(and justifiably skeptical) by your friends physique.

As it was pointed out above to get to 6% bodyfat WITH anabolics is something that only the top pro’s can do.

So when you say that he is one of the biggest lean natty bb’s any of us have ever seen…you gotta see where we are coming from.

Walking around at 6% bodyfat 5’7" and 225lbs…is like a somebody walking out of the stands and beating Usain Bolt in a footrace.[/quote]

He is not a bodybuilder. He does not look in proportion, but he is 225 at slightly shorter than me. Maybe if he hadnt’t already been accused of steroid use the n a picture might have been an option. You know that your weight fluctuates during the day don’t you? So 225 at the end of the day could be 216 in the morning on an empty stomach. Lets say he was at his heaviest when weighed in the day. I’ve already admitted the estimation in his height so lets say he is 5 9 for the sake of it. The chemically assisted bodybuilder who competes at 225 of dense water depleted muscle will balloon up 30lbs after coming off the drugs. Is that a fair comparison to a natural?
[/quote]

Being accused of steroid use is the single biggest compliment anyone can get. [/quote]

Anyone heard of John grimek?

Was he natural or assisted?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
The boob analogy is the definition of a straw man.

MassiveGuns, two questions for you if you don’t mind. A. What two lifters are you talking about questioning their natural status two their face? B. Do you in fact have massive guns? If so do you have a picture and training tips? Thank you.[/quote]

Well put.

I don’t think massive gunz got the memo that his friend has the same dimensions(and a natty to boot) as top(assisted) IFBB pros.

Just astounding.[/quote]

The world is round. NEWSFLASH!
[/quote]

Not only my friend, but wade johnson and bud jeffries. Both 300+ strength monsters accepted as natural lifters. But of course they can’t exist because statistics says so. [/quote]

Dude people can reach a bloaty 300lbs natty…people cannot get to 225lbs at 5’7" and 6% bodyfat natty.

Or maybe they can…but NEWSFLASH! nobody has ever seen it.[/quote]

Nobody in your sample selection. And of course an internet lifting forum represents the entire human race. I mean between the 50 or so people in this thread they all are on speaking terms with the other 6 billion, so we know that since no-one here has seen someone freaky natty that such people don’t exist.

What would bud jeffries or wade johnson look like if all they ate was protein and salad all day? Its not that big a stretch to see its possible.
[/quote]

I’ll absolutely concede that there could be some freak out there that could do this(natty that is)…no question.

But until that person comes outside into the sunshine then it is just a myth.

But I take it your friend did his gaining at a pretty low bodyfat right? I mean eating meat and salad all day long is a pretty strict diet.

So that kinda proves that a lean person can gain a ton of size, right?[/quote]

Yes it does, because I have NEVER seen him fat. He thinks that 10% plus is fat. But for most people it doesn’t work that way, it depends on your genetics. I actually brought him up as part of illustrating the argument.

Yes some people can lean gain and get massive naturally. Those people are few and far between. For MOST its only possible to lean gain to appreciable size with gear. Without it you have to be prepared to get a bit fat IF you want to get freaky. You can build an impressive physique the lean way naturally, but you will NEVER hit freak status, unless you are in the absolute minority of rare genetic freaks.
[/quote]

Exactly why we are amazed(and justifiably skeptical) by your friends physique.

As it was pointed out above to get to 6% bodyfat WITH anabolics is something that only the top pro’s can do.

So when you say that he is one of the biggest lean natty bb’s any of us have ever seen…you gotta see where we are coming from.

Walking around at 6% bodyfat 5’7" and 225lbs…is like a somebody walking out of the stands and beating Usain Bolt in a footrace.[/quote]

He is not a bodybuilder. He does not look in proportion, but he is 225 at slightly shorter than me. Maybe if he hadnt’t already been accused of steroid use the n a picture might have been an option. You know that your weight fluctuates during the day don’t you? So 225 at the end of the day could be 216 in the morning on an empty stomach. Lets say he was at his heaviest when weighed in the day. I’ve already admitted the estimation in his height so lets say he is 5 9 for the sake of it. The chemically assisted bodybuilder who competes at 225 of dense water depleted muscle will balloon up 30lbs after coming off the drugs. Is that a fair comparison to a natural?
[/quote]

A natural usually holds less water, which would make him even more impressive at a similar weight of an assisted person. Who walks around at 6% (Stage ready) all year long?[/quote]

Arthur Saxon. Although he’s much leaner now. He’s dead.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
The boob analogy is the definition of a straw man.

MassiveGuns, two questions for you if you don’t mind. A. What two lifters are you talking about questioning their natural status two their face? B. Do you in fact have massive guns? If so do you have a picture and training tips? Thank you.[/quote]

Well put.

I don’t think massive gunz got the memo that his friend has the same dimensions(and a natty to boot) as top(assisted) IFBB pros.

Just astounding.[/quote]

The world is round. NEWSFLASH!
[/quote]

Not only my friend, but wade johnson and bud jeffries. Both 300+ strength monsters accepted as natural lifters. But of course they can’t exist because statistics says so. [/quote]

Dude people can reach a bloaty 300lbs natty…people cannot get to 225lbs at 5’7" and 6% bodyfat natty.

Or maybe they can…but NEWSFLASH! nobody has ever seen it.[/quote]

Nobody in your sample selection. And of course an internet lifting forum represents the entire human race. I mean between the 50 or so people in this thread they all are on speaking terms with the other 6 billion, so we know that since no-one here has seen someone freaky natty that such people don’t exist.

What would bud jeffries or wade johnson look like if all they ate was protein and salad all day? Its not that big a stretch to see its possible.
[/quote]

I’ll absolutely concede that there could be some freak out there that could do this(natty that is)…no question.

But until that person comes outside into the sunshine then it is just a myth.

But I take it your friend did his gaining at a pretty low bodyfat right? I mean eating meat and salad all day long is a pretty strict diet.

So that kinda proves that a lean person can gain a ton of size, right?[/quote]

Yes it does, because I have NEVER seen him fat. He thinks that 10% plus is fat. But for most people it doesn’t work that way, it depends on your genetics. I actually brought him up as part of illustrating the argument.

Yes some people can lean gain and get massive naturally. Those people are few and far between. For MOST its only possible to lean gain to appreciable size with gear. Without it you have to be prepared to get a bit fat IF you want to get freaky. You can build an impressive physique the lean way naturally, but you will NEVER hit freak status, unless you are in the absolute minority of rare genetic freaks.
[/quote]

Exactly why we are amazed(and justifiably skeptical) by your friends physique.

As it was pointed out above to get to 6% bodyfat WITH anabolics is something that only the top pro’s can do.

So when you say that he is one of the biggest lean natty bb’s any of us have ever seen…you gotta see where we are coming from.

Walking around at 6% bodyfat 5’7" and 225lbs…is like a somebody walking out of the stands and beating Usain Bolt in a footrace.[/quote]

He is not a bodybuilder. He does not look in proportion, but he is 225 at slightly shorter than me. Maybe if he hadnt’t already been accused of steroid use the n a picture might have been an option. You know that your weight fluctuates during the day don’t you? So 225 at the end of the day could be 216 in the morning on an empty stomach. Lets say he was at his heaviest when weighed in the day. I’ve already admitted the estimation in his height so lets say he is 5 9 for the sake of it. The chemically assisted bodybuilder who competes at 225 of dense water depleted muscle will balloon up 30lbs after coming off the drugs. Is that a fair comparison to a natural?
[/quote]

A natural usually holds less water, which would make him even more impressive at a similar weight of an assisted person. Who walks around at 6% (Stage ready) all year long?[/quote]

Arthur Saxon. Although he’s much leaner now. He’s dead.[/quote]

Naturals hold less water than bodybuilders taking life threatening doses of lasix etc.? GTFO. And I’m the one getting accused of making shit up? That’s more ridiculous than unicorns.

Dose yourself with a solid cycle of test prop, masteron, tren, and throw in enough letrozole that your joints hurt, some halotestin and furosemide and we’ll see how much water your holding as a natural.

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You’re delusional. You don’t deserve any more detail than that either, because you make this forum a worse place to frequent. Please stop.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
You’re delusional. You don’t deserve any more detail than that either, because you make this forum a worse place to frequent. Please stop.[/quote]

I think he is either X’s sock puppet or just plain trolling…but either way I am entertained.

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[quote]IFlashBack wrote:

Very clever flashback I like it, the reason this part of the film was ever made in the first place was to end this thread

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[quote]red04 wrote:
You’re delusional. You don’t deserve any more detail than that either, because you make this forum a worse place to frequent. Please stop.[/quote]

Because you have views in opposition to mine? That’s a little small minded don’t you think.

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[quote]lemony2j wrote:

[quote]IFlashBack wrote:

Very clever flashback I like it, the reason this part of the film was ever made in the first place was to end this thread [/quote]

Doug hepburn or Herman goerner anyone? Guess they don’t count. These guys were massive and strong before steroids were even around.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:

[quote]IFlashBack wrote:

Very clever flashback I like it, the reason this part of the film was ever made in the first place was to end this thread [/quote]

Doug hepburn or Herman goerner anyone? Guess they don’t count. These guys were massive and strong before steroids were even around.
[/quote]

…and nowhere near 6%

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:

[quote]IFlashBack wrote:

Very clever flashback I like it, the reason this part of the film was ever made in the first place was to end this thread [/quote]

Doug hepburn or Herman goerner anyone? Guess they don’t count. These guys were massive and strong before steroids were even around.
[/quote]

…and nowhere near 6%[/quote]

And how do you know that? Think they couldn’t have done it with modern dietary knowledge and supplements?

According to the biggest loser, normal fat guys can lose weight naturally, but full house jacked tabbies need drugs.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
His friend walks around like this, only two inches taller. [/quote]

I find it hilarious that all you do is post pictures without posting any sound arguments or refutations to mine. I’ve called you on you shite and you apologised, but AGAIN conveniently ignored answering my points. And apparently I’m trolling! Fuck me I just saw a unicorn.

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Anyone here seen a 14 inch dick in real life?

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