Not guys in the gym who all seem to get larger with age, but the top natural competitors who keep training and competing to the best of the abilities because their livelihood depends on their placings and visibility. Who but people in this situation are going to be willing to diet down to comparable bodyfat levels year after year, allowing for suitable assessment of improvements.
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Why is dieting down to the same body fat levels necessary if most people here will never compete?[/quote]
It isn’t about contest shape, its about having a comparable bodyfat percentage to assess LBM gains.
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You don’t need to diet down to competition levels for that.
In fact, it could be argued that competition levels is the variable because it is a transient state that one can NOT hold for extended periods of time and changes drastically with slight water modifications or dietary changes.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
No one mentioned competition levels. As was already pointed out, I stated COMPARATIVE levels. You brought up competition levels.
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He also brought up “ten year limit” and “fifteen year limit” and “80 pound limit”.
And yet youve spent the better part of two weeks and who knows how many posts bitching about his beliefs? ha oh brother[/quote]
He said he doesn’t care about what I believe, but rather wants to show people that it’s not true so they don’t fall victim to self-defeating beliefs. [/quote]
ya I get that but still fail to see the point of thread upon thread regurgitating the same point.
And yet youve spent the better part of two weeks and who knows how many posts bitching about his beliefs? ha oh brother[/quote]
He said he doesn’t care about what I believe, but rather wants to show people that it’s not true so they don’t fall victim to self-defeating beliefs. [/quote]
ya I get that but still fail to see the point of thread upon thread regurgitating the same point. [/quote]
I’m not sure either. But then again, I’m sort of like him in the sense I don’t want newbs to follow his “just eat big” and “get in the gym” advices. He’s so annoyed at me for giving both GENERAL and SPECIFIC information, yet I couldn’t get one damn specific or even general piece of information from him regarding training or diet for the newb with absolutely no experience.
He’s asked me over and over and over, “How did you come to this belief?”, and I’ve answered as best as I can, yet every time I ask him something I can’t get an answer.
And yet youve spent the better part of two weeks and who knows how many posts bitching about his beliefs? ha oh brother[/quote]
He said he doesn’t care about what I believe, but rather wants to show people that it’s not true so they don’t fall victim to self-defeating beliefs. [/quote]
ya I get that but still fail to see the point of thread upon thread regurgitating the same point. [/quote]
I’m not sure either. But then again, I’m sort of like him in the sense I don’t want newbs to follow his “just eat big” and “get in the gym” advices. He’s so annoyed at me for giving both GENERAL and SPECIFIC information, yet I couldn’t get one damn specific or even general piece of information from him regarding training or diet for the newb with absolutely no experience.
He’s asked me over and over and over, “How did you come to this belief?”, and I’ve answered as best as I can, yet every time I ask him something I can’t get an answer. [/quote]
I hear ya. I tend to agree with those in your camp on this issue for what it’s worth. It just seems exhausting but at least someone is fighting the good fight
haha, do you enven hear yourself or go back and look at how ridiculous your posts are? everyone here notices it, but you, but you sit back and whine “why me”
lol
you are either clinically insane or the best troll ever. i vote the latter.
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How ridiculous my posts are?
We have a guy who just wrote gains stop after ten years…yet you think me questioning that is ridiculous and NOT the statement?
You guys would rather focus on me than the straight up nonsense being written by someone else?
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HAHA, ok. ill pretend that you really dont know what i am talking about just for the entertainment value,
i am not disagreeing with any particular point you are arguing as far as training and diet goes, i agree with your philosophy more than disagree with you on such things, you already know that.
i am just pointing out that how you argue and disrespect people when you interact with them on these boards is why so much crap gets started whenever you are part of a discussion.
you know that too.
i am just glad you have not put me on ignore yet, too much fun.
haha, do you enven hear yourself or go back and look at how ridiculous your posts are? everyone here notices it, but you, but you sit back and whine “why me”
lol
you are either clinically insane or the best troll ever. i vote the latter.
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How ridiculous my posts are?
We have a guy who just wrote gains stop after ten years…yet you think me questioning that is ridiculous and NOT the statement?
You guys would rather focus on me than the straight up nonsense being written by someone else?
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i am just pointing out that how you argue and disrespect people when you interact with them on these boards is why so much crap gets started whenever you are part of a discussion.
For the record, a caliper measurement of someone at a skinny-fat 150 would be pretty accurate, because that’s exactly the type of person that comprises most of the data set that exists for caliper measurements. A muscular 250 lber, not so much. Visceral fat estimations would be way off.
Underwater weighing would be highly accurate if residual long volume was measured, which isn’t hard to do at all. I know this because I’ve done it.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
For the record, a caliper measurement of someone at a skinny-fat 150 would be pretty accurate, because that’s exactly the type of person that comprises most of the data set that exists for caliper measurements. A muscular 250 lber, not so much. Visceral fat estimations would be way off.
Underwater weighing would be highly accurate if residual long volume was measured, which isn’t hard to do at all. I know this because I’ve done it.[/quote]
How have you measured residual lung volume in the past? I’ve always assumed something along the lines of 15 ml/kg (ish).
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Lets think about this for a second. In order to gain 80lbs of muscle someone would have to go from 150lbs at 10%bf to (assuming they are ok with holding a little extra fat) 270 at 20%bf. If that person was already past any growth spurts when the first measurement was taken, 22yo or so, then that is going to be next to impossible to do I think. I wont say its impossible but without steroids its going to be insanely difficult. Now if they are cool with gaining to 30%bf while gaining that 80lbs then they will have to weigh 307. Someone can check my math here but just thought I would put some numbers with it to give a little perspective.[/quote]
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Lets think about this for a second. In order to gain 80lbs of muscle someone would have to go from 150lbs at 10%bf to (assuming they are ok with holding a little extra fat) 258 at 20%bf. If that person was already past any growth spurts when the first measurement was taken, 22yo or so, then that is going to be next to impossible to do I think. I wont say its impossible but without steroids its going to be insanely difficult. Now if they are cool with gaining to 30%bf while gaining that 80lbs then they will have to weigh 280. Someone can check my math here but just thought I would put some numbers with it to give a little perspective.[/quote]
I really don’t understand this post. I mean, really.
I know guys with way better genetics than me so while I agree that being able to do that isn’t something everyone can do by any means, making it sound like it is “next to impossible” doesn’t make sense to me. You basically just described what I have written here over and over.
The truth is, some guy at nearly 260 is still going to look impressive even if he is 20% body fat.[/quote]
Them being more impressive has absolutely nothing to do with it. The claim was made that 80 to 100 lbs of lean body mass could be gained naturally. I was just illustrating what that would require. I think anyone looking at those numbers (now edited) would have to agree that a change like that would be next to impossible.
I wont say impossible because there are all kinds of physical accomplishments once thought impossible that can be accomplished but the people that could do it naturally would have to be extremely rare.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Lets think about this for a second. In order to gain 80lbs of muscle someone would have to go from 150lbs at 10%bf to (assuming they are ok with holding a little extra fat) 258 at 20%bf. If that person was already past any growth spurts when the first measurement was taken, 22yo or so, then that is going to be next to impossible to do I think. I wont say its impossible but without steroids its going to be insanely difficult. Now if they are cool with gaining to 30%bf while gaining that 80lbs then they will have to weigh 280. Someone can check my math here but just thought I would put some numbers with it to give a little perspective.[/quote]
I really don’t understand this post. I mean, really.
I know guys with way better genetics than me so while I agree that being able to do that isn’t something everyone can do by any means, making it sound like it is “next to impossible” doesn’t make sense to me. You basically just described what I have written here over and over.
The truth is, some guy at nearly 260 is still going to look impressive even if he is 20% body fat.[/quote]
Them being more impressive has absolutely nothing to do with it.[/quote]
I didn’t say “more impressive”. I said better genetics…which refers to them being able to gain more muscle than I can. If I got to that mark, then someone who can gain more muscle than me can also and pass it.
Your numbers are very close to what I did. I am not sure how that is impossible now.
You went from 150 @ 10% to 270 @ 20%? And you did all this after the age of 20 or so? Don’t forget to check the post above this last set with the edited numbers because I was way off with my first math.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
You went from 150 @ 10% to 270 @ 20%? And you did all this after the age of 20 or so? Don’t forget to check the post above this last set with the edited numbers because I was way off with my first math. [/quote]
I was over 18 started at 150lbs at 11% and have been at 285 with doubtfully more than 25% body fat. I have written this several times.
285 at 5’10" with less than 25% body fat is impressive naturally. So congratulations on that however the people that are able to do that in the absence of a growth spurt are few and far between.