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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Either way, my questions asked are very clear…and no one yet has explained where these values are coming from other than hearsay.

I gave my caliper readings and am now told I need to be weighed in a pool…after being told that my stats are irrelevant because I used a pro-hormone…which begs the question, why are they still asking about hydrostatic weighing.

I am sure this thread will be nothing but the same group of people NOT responding to the thread topic by tomorrow.[/quote]

The question was answered.

  1. Nobody could name or show a fully natty bodybuilder who had achieved 80 lbs of PURE MUSCLE.

  2. You used KingBeef and YOURSELF as an example

  3. Caliper readings are suspect and most times quite off…Hydrostatic is easy and cheap and absolutely more accurate.

This is a textbook example of you running your mouth and then coming up with a 100 excuses for not backing it up.

Anybody who has read the last 3 pages will truly LOL at your post above.

I was actually rooting for you to back it up this time.

Oh well.

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@utah lama who would you contact at a university to get this done i am interested in doing it

thanks

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Either way…you were seeking answers about the natty 80lbs of muscle gain.

You used yourself as an example, so all you have to do is go get a hydrostatic bf% and shut everybody up (I think we are all willing to accept your 150lb and 11% starting point).
[/quote]

If you accept the previous caliper reading, then you should accept a caliper reading again.

Why state I need to be hydrostatically weighed to prove this?[/quote]

Because it is by far the most accurate way of doing it…calipers have a very wide range of human error.

This will be fun, I would love to see it…what do you possibly have to lose?[/quote]

You are missing the point…you are setting standards that must be met that aren’t even constant…which eliminates the usefulness.

Bottom line, to answer your previous question, you simply need to know the weight and current body fat of someone to calculate lean body mass. You don’t need them to be hydrostatically weighed because the only 100% sure way of knowing EXACTLY how much fat someone has is still autopsy.[/quote]

Ok then can you please get one of those so we can be 100% accurate?
[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHA

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:
is it that easy to get hydrostatically weighed?

i have literally no idea where you would get this done or the cost

utah lama have you had this done?[/quote]

Yes I have…most 4 year colleges and universities have the facilities…and with the huge boom in Crossfit “body challenges” and similar they usually test every weekend.

I believe the cost at Utah State is $20

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

  1. Nobody could name or show a fully natty bodybuilder who had achieved 80 lbs of PURE MUSCLE.
    [/quote]

How does this mean no natural can do it? WHO was looked at and why ONLY look at people who compete?

[quote]
2. You used KingBeef and YOURSELF as an example[/quote]

Yes, I did.

[quote]

  1. Caliper readings are suspect and most times quite off…Hydrostatic is easy and cheap and absolutely more accurate.[/quote]

But, if the first reading was a caliper reading, then the second should be as well otherwise it is useless to compare the two.

[quote]
This is a textbook example of you running your mouth and then coming up with a 100 excuses for not backing it up.[/quote]

I provided a caliper reading which was the same as the first reading.

[quote]

Anybody who has read the last 3 pages will truly LOL at your post above.

I was actually rooting for you to back it up this time.

Oh well.[/quote]

If anyone is LOL-ing at that then they are missing the same points that you are.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:
is it that easy to get hydrostatically weighed?

i have literally no idea where you would get this done or the cost

utah lama have you had this done?[/quote]

Yes I have…most 4 year colleges and universities have the facilities…and with the huge boom in Crossfit “body challenges” and similar they usually test every weekend.

I believe the cost at Utah State is $20[/quote]

I live in Houston. What number at U of H do you call to get public hydrostatic weighing without being a student?

Please enlighten us all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

  1. Nobody could name or show a fully natty bodybuilder who had achieved 80 lbs of PURE MUSCLE.
    [/quote]

How does this mean no natural can do it? WHO was looked at and why ONLY look at people who compete?

[quote]
2. You used KingBeef and YOURSELF as an example[/quote]

Yes, I did.

[quote]

  1. Caliper readings are suspect and most times quite off…Hydrostatic is easy and cheap and absolutely more accurate.[/quote]

But, if the first reading was a caliper reading, then the second should be as well otherwise it is useless to compare the two.

[quote]
This is a textbook example of you running your mouth and then coming up with a 100 excuses for not backing it up.[/quote]

I provided a caliper reading which was the same as the first reading.

[quote]

Anybody who has read the last 3 pages will truly LOL at your post above.

I was actually rooting for you to back it up this time.

Oh well.[/quote]

If anyone is LOL-ing at that then they are missing the same points that you are.[/quote]

So you are saying that in order to validate it…it should be:

inaccurate reading = inaccurate reading (calipers)…this works for you?

instead of

innacurate reading = accurate reading. (hydrostatic)…this does not?

/mind asplode

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:
is it that easy to get hydrostatically weighed?

i have literally no idea where you would get this done or the cost

utah lama have you had this done?[/quote]

Yes I have…most 4 year colleges and universities have the facilities…and with the huge boom in Crossfit “body challenges” and similar they usually test every weekend.

I believe the cost at Utah State is $20[/quote]

I live in Houston. What number at U of H do you call to get public hydrostatic weighing without being a student?

Please enlighten us all.[/quote]

I imagine their health sciences or human performance departments would cover that.

We have a masters program in Exercise Science that does it for the data points.

You got a googler?

I KNOW you got the time.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

So you are saying that in order to validate it…it should be:

inaccurate reading = inaccurate reading (calipers)…this works for you?

instead of

innacurate reading = accurate reading. (hydrostatic)…this does not?

/mind asplode[/quote]

If that blew your mind, then you really are missing the basics.

It makes no sense at all to demand hydrostatic weighing when the FIRST METHOD USED was with calipers.

If your goal is comparison, you would try to keep things as close to the same as possible…not literally change the standards.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:
is it that easy to get hydrostatically weighed?

i have literally no idea where you would get this done or the cost

utah lama have you had this done?[/quote]

Yes I have…most 4 year colleges and universities have the facilities…and with the huge boom in Crossfit “body challenges” and similar they usually test every weekend.

I believe the cost at Utah State is $20[/quote]

I live in Houston. What number at U of H do you call to get public hydrostatic weighing without being a student?

Please enlighten us all.[/quote]

I imagine their health sciences or human performance departments would cover that.

We have a masters program in Exercise Science that does it for the data points.

You got a googler? [/quote]

Don’t imagine. I don’t care about hydrostatic weighing. YOU are the one claiming I need to have it done. So tell me where and how much and who to call.

If you have never been to Houston, how would you know what they provide to the public?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

So you are saying that in order to validate it…it should be:

inaccurate reading = inaccurate reading (calipers)…this works for you?

instead of

innacurate reading = accurate reading. (hydrostatic)…this does not?

/mind asplode[/quote]

…not literally change the standards.[/quote]

I can see how making one of the variables far more accurate would really cramp our bro study.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
And calculating what your LBM is at a certain pecentage and then trying to correlate what it is at a higher percentage does not work because it doesn’t take into the account of muscle/loss and water loss during the diet.

Sidenote : When I used to fight and had to cut water to make my weight class I would lose around 10-14pds of water in a 24 hr period to do this. At a pretty lean bodyfat of around 10%. My bodyweight was 195-199 going into the cut and I would weigh 185 for weigh-ins. Kinda skews perception of LBM huh?

185lbs @ 10% or 199lbs @ 10%.

[/quote]

But I don’t ever plan on competing and see no need to be under 10% body fat unless I do…so you are saying that no one can calculate lean body mass unless dieted down to contest shape?

That makes no sense. Most of your muscle mass is water to start with so why only look at this in a depleted state?

If I wasn’t in contest shape before, then it should hold now.

Question:
Are you saying that someone can pass this limit up if they simply avoid getting into contest shape?[/quote]

Where did he make any mention of contest shape in his post? Or being under 10%?

He didn’t say you couldn’t calculate LBM without being in contest shape, but rather most of the people here are saying you can only truly compare LBM gains when you diet down to the BF% that you started in.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:
is it that easy to get hydrostatically weighed?

i have literally no idea where you would get this done or the cost

utah lama have you had this done?[/quote]

Yes I have…most 4 year colleges and universities have the facilities…and with the huge boom in Crossfit “body challenges” and similar they usually test every weekend.

I believe the cost at Utah State is $20[/quote]

thanks

is this seen as being as good as a dexa scan do you know?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:
is it that easy to get hydrostatically weighed?

i have literally no idea where you would get this done or the cost

utah lama have you had this done?[/quote]

Yes I have…most 4 year colleges and universities have the facilities…and with the huge boom in Crossfit “body challenges” and similar they usually test every weekend.

I believe the cost at Utah State is $20[/quote]

I live in Houston. What number at U of H do you call to get public hydrostatic weighing without being a student?

Please enlighten us all.[/quote]

I imagine their health sciences or human performance departments would cover that.

We have a masters program in Exercise Science that does it for the data points.

You got a googler? [/quote]

Don’t imagine. I don’t care about hydrostatic weighing. YOU are the one claiming I need to have it done. So tell me where and how much and who to call.

If you have never been to Houston, how would you know what they provide to the public?[/quote]

I’ll do the leg work for you, but you have to promise to go if I get you all the info…deal?

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[quote]ishinator wrote:

Where did he make any mention of contest shape in his post? Or being under 10%?[/quote]

he mentioned water lost during a diet…which would be miost significant when discussing contest dieting. Your muscular water load should not be that drastically changed if you are over 10% body fat and simply dieted a little.

Yeah, and that idea makes no sense because your body does NOT carry the same amount of body fat at two different weights simply because the percentage number is the same.

get it now?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:
is it that easy to get hydrostatically weighed?

i have literally no idea where you would get this done or the cost

utah lama have you had this done?[/quote]

Yes I have…most 4 year colleges and universities have the facilities…and with the huge boom in Crossfit “body challenges” and similar they usually test every weekend.

I believe the cost at Utah State is $20[/quote]

I live in Houston. What number at U of H do you call to get public hydrostatic weighing without being a student?

Please enlighten us all.[/quote]

I imagine their health sciences or human performance departments would cover that.

We have a masters program in Exercise Science that does it for the data points.

You got a googler? [/quote]

Don’t imagine. I don’t care about hydrostatic weighing. YOU are the one claiming I need to have it done. So tell me where and how much and who to call.

If you have never been to Houston, how would you know what they provide to the public?[/quote]

I’ll do the leg work for you, but you have to promise to go if I get you all the info…deal?[/quote]

I’m not promising shit. I already got a caliper reading done recently which is all that matters.

I am simply noticing how you seem to think all universities do this for the general public.

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Well that was hard…it you seem that the University of Texas medical school at Houston provides the service as training for their medical students.

I left a message asking for info.

Is that far away from you X?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:
is it that easy to get hydrostatically weighed?

i have literally no idea where you would get this done or the cost

utah lama have you had this done?[/quote]

Yes I have…most 4 year colleges and universities have the facilities…and with the huge boom in Crossfit “body challenges” and similar they usually test every weekend.

I believe the cost at Utah State is $20[/quote]

I live in Houston. What number at U of H do you call to get public hydrostatic weighing without being a student?

Please enlighten us all.[/quote]

I imagine their health sciences or human performance departments would cover that.

We have a masters program in Exercise Science that does it for the data points.

You got a googler? [/quote]

Don’t imagine. I don’t care about hydrostatic weighing. YOU are the one claiming I need to have it done. So tell me where and how much and who to call.

If you have never been to Houston, how would you know what they provide to the public?[/quote]

I’ll do the leg work for you, but you have to promise to go if I get you all the info…deal?[/quote]

I’m not promising shit.
[/quote]

Awwwww come on now…don’t be grumpy, you can think of another excuse later on if you want.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Well that was hard…it you seem that the University of Texas medical school at Houston provides the service as training for their medical students.

I left a message asking for info.

Is that far away from you X?

https://med.uth.edu/[/quote]

LOL. That means you are a clinical patient. That means you have to fit your schedule into their schedule for their class credits. That isn’t the same as “free to the public”.

We did the same at my school. The patients wave much of the fees because they got worked on my students.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Awwwww come on now…don’t be grumpy, you can think of another excuse later on if you want.[/quote]

Don’t need an excuse. My caliper reading shows I did it. You simply want to move the goal posts now.