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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Um, you started this thread quoting a specific individual and posting a picture of a crying baby. You expect him NOT to come into the thread? No, you deserve some of the blame. But weve all been down this road. You refuse to accept any blame. That’s okay, people know. It’s not a good look for you.[/quote]

I did expect HIM to come into the thread. I expected a discussion WITH HIM about exactly what I asked.

he instead skirted those questions and no one else has answered them either.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

How are you going to make an assessment if you are guessing?..if you started at 11% you would need to re-test at 11%

Otherwise you are just guessing.

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This isn’t true. You don’t have to be the same body fat percentage as before to judge lean body mass gained because after that many years, you do not have the exact same body you had at 150lbs.

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For the record…5’11" and 230lbs near single didgit bodyfat would be nuts…a CT Fletcher level freak.

Why not do it and prove everybody wrong once and for all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

Because I have no idea of who this King beef is. Why do you always feel people are singling you out? I was only asking if Bricks claims were ludicrous about gains of eighty pounds there would be lots of pics from all over the web and perhaps blogs and stuff[/quote]

Then go look him up.

I am not sure what to tell you. My pics are all on the forum as well as his. What exactly do you want?[/quote]

Theae are serious questions and are not intended to drag on this debate. Do you know KingBeef personally? Do you know what his current height weight and body fat percentage are vs where he started? I have not seen him post consistently here in a long time and have not seen any updated stats regarding his progress, which I will easily admit is incredible.

I only ask because you have repeatedly used him as an example of someone who has gained 80+ pounds of muscle from weight training. Thanks.[/quote]

I used him as an example because he posted his pics before he started and he is much larger now. I can only go by his pictures. I simply stated that I was 15lbs as a newb with 11% body fat. That would mean a 210lbs lean body mass is 80lbs of lean body mass gained.

I am not sure what you want to know besides that.

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Just to clarify, you do not know KingBeefs starting height, weight or body fat percentage and don’t know his current height, weight and body fat percentage yet are basing his 80 pounds of muscle gain off of the difference in two sets of photos?

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

It doesn’t matter who STARTED the thread. It’s how you conduct yourself throughout the entire forum. [/quote]

And how is that? I am responding to you in a professional manner and you are NOT responding to me that way.

Why?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

It doesn’t matter who STARTED the thread. It’s how you conduct yourself throughout the entire forum. [/quote]

And how is that? I am responding to you in a professional manner and you are NOT responding to me that way.

Why?[/quote]

Starting a thread where you called out another poster using a picture of a crying baby is professional?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

How are you going to make an assessment if you are guessing?..if you started at 11% you would need to re-test at 11%

Otherwise you are just guessing.

[/quote]

This isn’t true. You don’t have to be the same body fat percentage as before to judge lean body mass gained because after that many years, you do not have the exact same body you had at 150lbs.

[/quote]

Yes you are bigger…but if you move the goalposts, you change the experiment.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Um, you started this thread quoting a specific individual and posting a picture of a crying baby. You expect him NOT to come into the thread? No, you deserve some of the blame. But weve all been down this road. You refuse to accept any blame. That’s okay, people know. It’s not a good look for you.[/quote]

I did expect HIM to come into the thread. I expected a discussion WITH HIM about exactly what I asked.

he instead skirted those questions and no one else has answered them either.[/quote]
Then why dont you two PM each other and discuss it?

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I think 80 lbs is a difficult measure to go by. 3lbs / inch IMO is a better one

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Playing dumb never got anyone anywhere.

You know what you were doing and you know what you are doing. Be a man and take ownership of it and stop the passive aggressive victim routine.

I still think a heavy round of ignores would serve this site well. I guess the old adage of “no publicity is bad publicity” but there is no way that the traffic these threads receive is helping sell supplements in any way. I do not know why it is allowed.

E.L.E.

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[quote]steven alex wrote:
TBH I wasnt around in the early days so only know X as a prick who would rather go on a strict cut than admit he was wrong but was there a time he was helpful to others? I am sure there must have been a time that he was as its only been in the last few years people have been like this with him
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There was a time where he was helpful and not NEARLY as confrontational as he is now. He was one of the biggest, if not the biggest, guy on the site for a while, so people generally listened to him.

Then there was a shift in the fitness industy over the recent years where people started to realize that you don’t NEED to gain too much bodyfat to be big and strong. People started realizing there just might be a better way than “just fuckin’ eat!”

Then people started using these new methods and seeing huge amounts of progress. Guys like waylanderx, doh crazy, hungry4more, carlcorps, zraw, and those guys all got fucking massive (and in my opinion, much more impressive than PX - however, I’d imagine that it’s the opinion of most that being bigger and leaner is more impressive than weighing less and carrying more BF) using these new methods. So people started listening to them, which meant that less and less people started listening to Professor X.

He’s bitter that times are changing and that he doesn’t get the recognition that he used to as being the most impressive guy on the site. Now, he just thinks screaming “I’M A DOCTOR” in everyones face is the way to gaining that respect back. Which is just fucking stupid.

Either way, people have realized that he’s not nearly as impressive as he leads on to be and arrogance of his caliber is just assanine beyond words.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
TBH I wasnt around in the early days so only know X as a prick who would rather go on a strict cut than admit he was wrong but was there a time he was helpful to others? I am sure there must have been a time that he was as its only been in the last few years people have been like this with him
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There was a time where he was helpful and not NEARLY as confrontational as he is now. He was one of the biggest, if not the biggest, guy on the site for a while, so people generally listened to him.

Then there was a shift in the fitness industy over the recent years where people started to realize that you don’t NEED to gain too much bodyfat to be big and strong. People started realizing there just might be a better way than “just fuckin’ eat!”

Then people started using these new methods and seeing huge amounts of progress. Guys like waylanderx, doh crazy, hungry4more, carlcorps, zraw, and those guys all got fucking massive (and in my opinion, much more impressive than PX - however, I’d imagine that it’s the opinion of most that being bigger and leaner is more impressive than weighing less and carrying more BF) using these new methods. So people started listening to them, which meant that less and less people started listening to Professor X.

He’s bitter that times are changing and that he doesn’t get the recognition that he used to as being the most impressive guy on the site. Now, he just thinks screaming “I’M A DOCTOR” in everyones face is the way to gaining that respect back. Which is just fucking stupid.

Either way, people have realized that he’s not nearly as impressive as he leads on to be and arrogance of his caliber is just assanine beyond words.[/quote]
So its a jealousy thing then?

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[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
TBH I wasnt around in the early days so only know X as a prick who would rather go on a strict cut than admit he was wrong but was there a time he was helpful to others? I am sure there must have been a time that he was as its only been in the last few years people have been like this with him
[/quote]

There was a time where he was helpful and not NEARLY as confrontational as he is now. He was one of the biggest, if not the biggest, guy on the site for a while, so people generally listened to him.

Then there was a shift in the fitness industy over the recent years where people started to realize that you don’t NEED to gain too much bodyfat to be big and strong. People started realizing there just might be a better way than “just fuckin’ eat!”

Then people started using these new methods and seeing huge amounts of progress. Guys like waylanderx, doh crazy, hungry4more, carlcorps, zraw, and those guys all got fucking massive (and in my opinion, much more impressive than PX - however, I’d imagine that it’s the opinion of most that being bigger and leaner is more impressive than weighing less and carrying more BF) using these new methods. So people started listening to them, which meant that less and less people started listening to Professor X.

He’s bitter that times are changing and that he doesn’t get the recognition that he used to as being the most impressive guy on the site. Now, he just thinks screaming “I’M A DOCTOR” in everyones face is the way to gaining that respect back. Which is just fucking stupid.

Either way, people have realized that he’s not nearly as impressive as he leads on to be and arrogance of his caliber is just assanine beyond words.[/quote]
So its a jealousy thing then?
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Jealousy, insecurity, lack of public validation, delusions of grandeur, temper tantrums, constantly playing the victim, projections, etc…

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
This site would be better off if the professor x detractors would simply place him on ignore and vice versa.

If BrownDisaster (although he cracks me up) SuperSayin, DoubleDuece, BrickHead, Zraw, Steven Alex and a few others who Surely I am forgetting would just place Professor X on ignore and he did the same in return this forum would be WAY better off.[/quote]

What needs to happen is for T-Nation mods(if they even have any) to ban ProfX. When one guy causes that much trouble, the ignore button isn’t enough.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I think 80 lbs is a difficult measure to go by. 3lbs / inch IMO is a better one[/quote]

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[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
This site would be better off if the professor x detractors would simply place him on ignore and vice versa.

If BrownDisaster (although he cracks me up) SuperSayin, DoubleDuece, BrickHead, Zraw, Steven Alex and a few others who Surely I am forgetting would just place Professor X on ignore and he did the same in return this forum would be WAY better off.[/quote]

What needs to happen is for T-Nation mods(if they even have any) to ban ProfX. When one guy causes that much trouble, the ignore button isn’t enough.[/quote]

I’m really surprised this hasn’t happened yet. I’d be even more surprised if it hasn’t at least been discussed at Biotest headquarters recently.

A lot of the arguments on here are started by one person stating one thing and someone else stating oopposing facts/opinions. When things as ridiculous as some of the shit PX says goes uncontested, it brings down the quality of information being spread on this site. When some of the shit he does say goes contested, it turns into a shitstorm like this thread because PX can’t possibly deal with someone disagreeing with him and everything instantly turns hostile.

It was like in the zercher thread a long while back, PX DEFINITIVELY stated that zerchers were a useless exercise despite never having done a single fucking reptition of a zercher squat. Then when he was called on that, he did a set of zerchers and then claimed that doing said set was enough credibility for him to claim a completely definitive statement about how useless zerchers were. All the while, accomplished strength athletes were in the thread stating that zerchers ARE a good exercise.

The arrogance and self importance of that sort of mentality is absurd beyond words.

The biggest issue is that while some people on here now see him for what he is, a lot of new people likely get the idea that he’s still the biggest, greatest mofo here and will likely listen to him because of it. That’s broscience at it’s finest, which, is something I’d imagine T-Nation is trying to avoid.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
There was a time where he was helpful and not NEARLY as confrontational as he is now. He was one of the biggest, if not the biggest, guy on the site for a while, so people generally listened to him.

Then there was a shift in the fitness industy over the recent years where people started to realize that you don’t NEED to gain too much bodyfat to be big and strong. People started realizing there just might be a better way than “just fuckin’ eat!”

Then people started using these new methods and seeing huge amounts of progress. Guys like waylanderx, doh crazy, hungry4more, carlcorps, zraw, and those guys all got fucking massive (and in my opinion, much more impressive than PX - however, I’d imagine that it’s the opinion of most that being bigger and leaner is more impressive than weighing less and carrying more BF) using these new methods. So people started listening to them, which meant that less and less people started listening to Professor X.

He’s bitter that times are changing and that he doesn’t get the recognition that he used to as being the most impressive guy on the site. Now, he just thinks screaming “I’M A DOCTOR” in everyones face is the way to gaining that respect back. Which is just fucking stupid.

Either way, people have realized that he’s not nearly as impressive as he leads on to be and arrogance of his caliber is just assanine beyond words.[/quote]

That’s a pretty decent summary of how I’m sure most people view things. Sadly, if we accept that X is all the things he claims (eduction wise), then it’s really a loss for everyone that he’s not more of a humble, and sane individual (constructing a well worded reply doesn’t always mean that you’re being ‘professional’, and apparently the old adage about not being able to teach class holds true.) When you look at the posters who’ve left in recent years, it really has lessened the quality of the site as a whole.

S

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[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
This site would be better off if the professor x detractors would simply place him on ignore and vice versa.

If BrownDisaster (although he cracks me up) SuperSayin, DoubleDuece, BrickHead, Zraw, Steven Alex and a few others who Surely I am forgetting would just place Professor X on ignore and he did the same in return this forum would be WAY better off.[/quote]

What needs to happen is for T-Nation mods(if they even have any) to ban ProfX. When one guy causes that much trouble, the ignore button isn’t enough.[/quote]

This is hilarious. You come into a thread I started and say I need to be banned because you read it?

Anyone in this thread NOT discussing the topic of the thread is trolling the thread.

You came into this forum into a thread I started to accuse me of needing to be banned because why?

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
There was a time where he was helpful and not NEARLY as confrontational as he is now. He was one of the biggest, if not the biggest, guy on the site for a while, so people generally listened to him.

Then there was a shift in the fitness industy over the recent years where people started to realize that you don’t NEED to gain too much bodyfat to be big and strong. People started realizing there just might be a better way than “just fuckin’ eat!”

Then people started using these new methods and seeing huge amounts of progress. Guys like waylanderx, doh crazy, hungry4more, carlcorps, zraw, and those guys all got fucking massive (and in my opinion, much more impressive than PX - however, I’d imagine that it’s the opinion of most that being bigger and leaner is more impressive than weighing less and carrying more BF) using these new methods. So people started listening to them, which meant that less and less people started listening to Professor X.

He’s bitter that times are changing and that he doesn’t get the recognition that he used to as being the most impressive guy on the site. Now, he just thinks screaming “I’M A DOCTOR” in everyones face is the way to gaining that respect back. Which is just fucking stupid.

Either way, people have realized that he’s not nearly as impressive as he leads on to be and arrogance of his caliber is just assanine beyond words.[/quote]

That’s a pretty decent summary of how I’m sure most people view things. Sadly, if we accept that X is all the things he claims (eduction wise), then it’s really a loss for everyone that he’s not more of a humble, and sane individual (constructing a well worded reply doesn’t always mean that you’re being ‘professional’, and apparently the old adage about not being able to teach class holds true.) When you look at the posters who’ve left in recent years, it really has lessened the quality of the site as a whole.

S[/quote]

How humble are you being claiming moral superiority over me because I am debating a limit?

You have not answered where this 80lbs is coming from. You have not supported it as a legit limit.

Why avoid that to talk about me and my humility?

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

Either way, people have realized that he’s not nearly as impressive as he leads on to be and arrogance of his caliber is just assanine beyond words.[/quote]

This is interesting. As impressive as I lead on to be?

I don’t claim to be anything other than what I am. A guy who lifts weights and went to school with a strong biology background…that’s it.

What am I leading on that I am beyond that?