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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
“Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are
presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new
evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is
extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it
is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize,
ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.”

  • Frantz Fanon[/quote]

I believe this isn’t even a “sometimes” proposition. It’s a typical response, IMO. I wish I could remember the research I read many years ago, but the point of it was essentially the same as this quote.
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Depends on the definition of “core belief”. But for practical purposes it is useful I think to distinguish between something like PX’s pathological urge to defend his core belief that he is “extremely developed”/special snowflake and the typical painful realization of most starting BBers that they were a lot less muscular than they thought they were after years of bulking.

While PX plays his pathetic, sad & overly predictable little game for years now, the latter group swallows the bitter pill eventually and change their core belief (I was one of them). [/quote]

Right, I follow. I think some people are definitely more predisposed to it while others are very open minded. I think growth as a person, generally, requires a certain amount of realistic self-evaluation and adaption. It helps when several others reinforce those critical assessments, but for some people, it will never help. You can lead a horse to water…[/quote]

One (the only?) good thing about these threads is that they pretty quickly make clear how objective / insightful / reasonable various posters are.

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Yup.

[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
“Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are
presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new
evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is
extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it
is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize,
ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.”

  • Frantz Fanon[/quote]

I believe this isn’t even a “sometimes” proposition. It’s a typical response, IMO. I wish I could remember the research I read many years ago, but the point of it was essentially the same as this quote.
[/quote]

Depends on the definition of “core belief”. But for practical purposes it is useful I think to distinguish between something like PX’s pathological urge to defend his core belief that he is “extremely developed”/special snowflake and the typical painful realization of most starting BBers that they were a lot less muscular than they thought they were after years of bulking.

While PX plays his pathetic, sad & overly predictable little game for years now, the latter group swallows the bitter pill eventually and change their core belief (I was one of them). [/quote]

Right, I follow. I think some people are definitely more predisposed to it while others are very open minded. I think growth as a person, generally, requires a certain amount of realistic self-evaluation and adaption. It helps when several others reinforce those critical assessments, but for some people, it will never help. You can lead a horse to water…[/quote]

Wow.

Could I ask…what “core belief” am I unwilling to change exactly that I have been presented with proof against?